Has there not yet been a thread about the opening of Alaska to drilling?

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I just assumed there would be a thread and was surprised when I couldn't find one.

Either way I'm sure we can all agree this is total crap. I read the republican claims that drilling will be isolated to only 1% of the refuge and will have no effect on the caribou herds whatsoever (which I don't believe). And that ideally it could provide up to 5% of the U.S.'s oil demands.

This is really a shame and if it weren't for this Terri Schiavo nonsense I think the issue might get more of the attention it deserves.

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 18:33 (twenty-one years ago)

From the onion opinions: "If I may be allowed to pursue the idea of 'addiction to oil,' I think the nation just reached the point where we sold our wedding ring for one night's fix."

Kind of an accurate statement - it's what inspired me to try and find a thread on this in the 1st place.

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 18:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Congress (and the media) have so much to answer for, I can hardly muster up the energy to be pissed off anymore.

Congress can redeem itself by passing emergency regulations that require NASCAR to use non-petroleum based fuels from now on.

dave225 (Dave225), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 18:41 (twenty-one years ago)

i heard a clip of john kerry's senate address over this just prior to the decision, and it was frustratingly succinct and impassioned – excellent timing there buddy

jones (actual), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 18:42 (twenty-one years ago)

.. unless of course, they alrady do that ( I don't know what fuel they use..) But the point is, once motorsports gets behind pursuing alternative energy sources, it will be a small matter of years before a viable solution is found.

dave225 (Dave225), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 18:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I posted a link to it shortly after the votes were cast on the ILE Steroids in Baseball thread, mentioning that the Steroid congressional action was a media smokescreen for greater evils to take place behind.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 18:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh that's right. I think this deserves it's own thread tho.

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 18:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, it does. Now we have to see what happens.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 18:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Uh.. a combination of ignorance and drilling I'd imagine.

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 18:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh no no no no. The drilling will be done with much interest in not being ignorant as to the oil's location.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 18:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I might support opening to oil drilling the National Wildlife Refuge in Alaska (I refuse to follow the insistence of those who don't want you to hear nice words like these on calling it “Ann-Wahr�) if 1) it provided a substantial amount of oil, 2) there were not promising sources in the same area that are not on protected land, 3) the same benefit could not be obtained through restricting a needless allowance for marginally greater fuel inefficiency (closing the SUV loophole).

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 19:04 (twenty-one years ago)

WTF is a "“Ann-Wahr�"?
I wasn't aware of any other potential sources on non-protected land up there. Do you have a source or is that hypothetical?

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 22:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Here's my question..

Alaskans get an annual dividend of around a grand a year because of the oil..(you just have to live in Alaska for a year, pay taxes and all that.) If Bush starts depleting the source of Alaskans' dividends, wouldn't the dividend shrink eventually for each, making Alaskans quite upset?

Or did Bush come up with a plan to recoup Alaskans for this dividend loss, if there will be one? Given how Bush-friendly Alaska is, I figure the pros outweight the cons for Alaskans in general?

I guess I need to talk to someone in the oil business to understand all of this.

donut debonair (donut), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 22:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Guys this isn't happening yet, it's part of the budget and the budget's not passed, and even if it does get passed the physical work won't start for another few years. This is not a fait accompli, and there is time to reverse it, possibly even as late as 2008

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 22:41 (twenty-one years ago)

If Bush starts depleting the source of Alaskans' dividends, wouldn't the dividend shrink eventually for each, making Alaskans quite upset?

Surely this source is being depleted with every single barrel that comes out of the ground, whichever part of Alaska it's being pumped out of?

caitlin (caitlin), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 22:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Gabbneb are you saying you'd need all three or just one of the three? And what would be your numerical definition of "substantial"? I'm not trying to be a dickhead, just honestly curious.

don weiner, Wednesday, 23 March 2005 22:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I read the title as "Has there not yet been a Ned about the opening of Alaska to drilling?"

And there apparently has!

What we want? Sex with T.V. stars! What you want? Ian Riese-Moraine! (Eastern Ma, Wednesday, 23 March 2005 23:15 (twenty-one years ago)

that's the fun part about the ANWR thing. it gets brought up whenever people have complained about current U.S. gas prices(which have been on the upsurge for how many months now?), yet it would take years to start up, provide a trickle of oil, and one third thing, which i can;t find a link to right now. something about how that oil is already promised to, or the alaskan reps are strongly pushing for selling it to china.

ANWR is a symbolic goal, and little else. if the repubs can get a victory by drilling in that rinky-dink little spot that's been heavily contested for years, they can drill ANYwhere.

ok, found a BBC thing about it:

Correspondents say there is not much interest among the oil companies in drilling in the refuge, as its economic potential no longer seems promising.

However, some Republicans see the plan as a political manoeuvre which could open the way for other environmentally controversial projects such as drilling off Florida or California....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4355871.stm

and from the CS Monitor:

So why are President Bush, the Alaska delegation, and others pushing this controversial proposal? Mr. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney - both former oil men - see it as an important part of the effort to reduce US dependence on foreign oil. Unlike politicians in California and Florida, including the President's brother Gov. Jeb Bush, who resist unsightly oil rigs off their coasts, the Alaska congressional delegation is all for drilling in a remote part of their state. If nothing else, ANWR symbolically focuses the broader debate over natural resource extraction in wild areas around the country.

kingfish van pickles (Kingfish), Thursday, 24 March 2005 04:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Gabbneb are you saying you'd need all three or just one of the three?

I'm describing reality, not negotiating based on science fiction, but I'd be happy to move the goalposts if you'd like. "Substantial" refers to more than 6 months, extracted over 10 years.

WTF is a "“Ann-Wahr�"?

"Ann-wahr" as translated by Blackberry

I wasn't aware of any other potential sources on non-protected land up there. Do you have a source or is that hypothetical?

we're already drilling in non-protected parts of the North Slope, 30 miles away.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 24 March 2005 04:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, I thought you meant untapped sources.

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 24 March 2005 16:11 (twenty-one years ago)

two weeks pass...
erm, does anyone know when the ban was brought in and by who?

RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 10:57 (twenty-one years ago)

no?

RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 13:40 (twenty-one years ago)

(I'm guessing) I don't think there was an explicit "ban" so much as it's a national wildlife refuge, which means that mining is inherently prohibited... ?

dave225 (Dave225), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 13:48 (twenty-one years ago)

...
http://www.forestcouncil.org/anwr/history.php

dave225 (Dave225), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 13:53 (twenty-one years ago)

I clicked on this expecting that a thread that had 'opening' and 'drilling' in its title would have been derailed by baudy talk by now.

M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 14:13 (twenty-one years ago)

hmm

RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 14:19 (twenty-one years ago)

nine years pass...

Cariboubama

http://arcticjournal.com/press-releases/1438/us-approves-shells-arctic-drilling-lease

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 1 April 2015 17:16 (eleven years ago)

eleven months pass...

"Environmentalists are hailing the Obama administration for removing the Atlantic coast from the list of areas approved for offshore drilling—but they aren’t too happy with other parts of the five-year plan released Tuesday.

They charge that the plan’s 13 new oil and gas leases in the Arctic Ocean and Gulf of Mexico will undercut America’s commitments to slash its carbon emissions under the Paris climate accord and endanger wildlife and coastal communities...."

http://www.alternet.org/environment/obama-administration-puts-arctic-offshore-oil-drilling-back-play

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 17 March 2016 15:38 (ten years ago)


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