Can anybody recommend a good Spanish restaurant in San Francisco?

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I recall a place called... hm, Barcelona? in an alley off Kearny but I can't find it in the phone book.... I haven't been there in years so it might have closed. I want to take a date to a Spanish restaurant tonite.

― andy --, Friday, 25 March 2005 21:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, I saw Ben Lee at the Independent last night and he was BOGUS... like Dawson's Creek soft-rock. VERY tedious.

― andy --, Friday, 25 March 2005 21:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Ned to thread!!

What was that tapas place we went to, for Terrastock II in 1998?

― donut debonair (donut), Friday, 25 March 2005 21:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Esperpento (this is in answer to the thread question, and not donut's question to ned).

― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 25 March 2005 21:30 (twenty-one years ago)

which is on 22nd near Valencia.

― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 25 March 2005 21:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Is Peruvian, okay? Cuz there are a shitload of great Peruvian places (Fresca, Destino) in SF right now.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 25 March 2005 21:31 (twenty-one years ago)

peru be in SOUTH AMERICA not SPAIN, Mr. Geographically CHallenged!

― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 25 March 2005 21:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Esperpento

― Great, Brave, True, Strong, Great, Real, Wise, Great, Crazy/Beautiful, Grea (nor, Friday, 25 March 2005 21:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Where can I find Argentinian or Brazilian food in SF?

― Great, Brave, True, Strong, Great, Real, Wise, Great, Crazy/Beautiful, Grea (nor, Friday, 25 March 2005 21:35 (twenty-one years ago)

I've been to Esperpento but it almost feels like a hotdog stand. I want somewhere flash where I can lay down some bills and look like a bigshot.

― andy --, Friday, 25 March 2005 21:36 (twenty-one years ago)

There's a Brasilian steakout on Market, right?

― andy --, Friday, 25 March 2005 21:37 (twenty-one years ago)

there is an argentinian (mostly steak) place in north beach I've vanquished the name of from my memory. the service was terrible.

― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 25 March 2005 21:37 (twenty-one years ago)

That's WHY I asked if it was okay, KYLE! Esperpento is good and there is also the tapas place on Union up past Broadway (its name is escaping me now) but to be honest I don't think their is a Spanish restaurant that is as excellent as the two Peruvian places I just mentioned (and the food is pretty damn similar.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 25 March 2005 21:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Go to Hukilau instead! :)

― Great, Brave, True, Strong, Great, Real, Wise, Great, Crazy/Beautiful, Grea (nor, Friday, 25 March 2005 21:37 (twenty-one years ago)

There are TWO Brazilian places a couple of blocks from my work, Adam. Both are excellent.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 25 March 2005 21:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm assuming a guy as classy as andy would never date a lady who wasn't down with the SPAM.

xp-gah. I'd suggest a post-work eating ting then but I am gonna take the afternoon off, get into bed and watch Deadwood. Maybe we should go to one of these places one night next week!

― Great, Brave, True, Strong, Great, Real, Wise, Great, Crazy/Beautiful, Grea (nor, Friday, 25 March 2005 21:39 (twenty-one years ago)

is one of these places your bed? no thank you

― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 25 March 2005 21:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Canto De Brazil is reasonable and has a great Feijoada Completa on the weekends and Escuchara (I think) is way way pricier, but has a fantastic salad bar (maybe the best ever) and has MEAT ON SWORDS and is all you can eat.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 25 March 2005 21:41 (twenty-one years ago)

El Ragon, that was the place. It sucks.

― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 25 March 2005 21:43 (twenty-one years ago)

There will be a FAP in my bed this evening. Bring Sparks.

― Great, Brave, True, Strong, Great, Real, Wise, Great, Crazy/Beautiful, Grea (nor, Friday, 25 March 2005 21:48 (twenty-one years ago)

will be bed people be there?

has anyone come up with a good recommendation for andy yet?

― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 25 March 2005 21:49 (twenty-one years ago)

no doubt gygax will have some highly esoteric, contrary and possibly fictional answer to this dilemma.

― Great, Brave, True, Strong, Great, Real, Wise, Great, Crazy/Beautiful, Grea (nor, Friday, 25 March 2005 21:51 (twenty-one years ago)

and it will be a Japanese restaurant

― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 25 March 2005 21:54 (twenty-one years ago)

haha

― Great, Brave, True, Strong, Great, Real, Wise, Great, Crazy/Beautiful, Grea (nor, Friday, 25 March 2005 21:57 (twenty-one years ago)

...that actually closed in 1994. But it WAS the best and there'll never be a better one!

― Great, Brave, True, Strong, Great, Real, Wise, Great, Crazy/Beautiful, Grea (nor, Friday, 25 March 2005 21:58 (twenty-one years ago)

We've given Andy plenty of good recommendations.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 25 March 2005 22:00 (twenty-one years ago)

no doubt!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 25 March 2005 22:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Call off the search.

The date just emailed me and suggested Brazilian... i swear to god, it's like psychic or something. So I'm letting her take care of selections/reservations, which is women's work anyway.

― andy --, Friday, 25 March 2005 22:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I hope she cleans your house up tomorrow morning as well

― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 25 March 2005 22:01 (twenty-one years ago)

That's right. and please take this opportunity to touch up the Xena design on your low-rider.

― Great, Brave, True, Strong, Great, Real, Wise, Great, Crazy/Beautiful, Grea (nor, Friday, 25 March 2005 22:01 (twenty-one years ago)

It's moot now, but the place I was asking Ned about happened to be Esperpento, actually.

― donut debonair (donut), Friday, 25 March 2005 22:04 (twenty-one years ago)

"hot dog stand?" Alex, get one presidio.

― donut debonair (donut), Friday, 25 March 2005 22:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Ur, Andy, I meant.

― donut debonair (donut), Friday, 25 March 2005 22:05 (twenty-one years ago)

man the hot dog stand near my work is the best. they have veggie kielbasas!

― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 25 March 2005 22:05 (twenty-one years ago)

no doubt gygax will have some highly esoteric, contrary and possibly fictional answer to this dilemma.
-- Great, Brave, True, Strong, Great, Real, Wise, Great, Crazy/Beautiful, Grea (adamr...), March 25th, 2005.
and it will be a Japanese restaurant
-- kyle (akmonda...), March 25th, 2005.
haha
-- Great, Brave, True, Strong, Great, Real, Wise, Great, Crazy/Beautiful, Grea (adamr...), March 25th, 2005.

...that actually closed in 1994. But it WAS the best and there'll never be a better one!

And of course it will be in Ventura or San Diego or somewhere like that.

― Great, Brave, True, Strong, Great, Real, Wise, Great, Crazy/Beautiful, Grea (nor, Friday, 25 March 2005 22:09 (twenty-one years ago)

are the veggie kielbasas the ones that Tofurkey makes? Or hand made?

― donut debonair (donut), Friday, 25 March 2005 22:10 (twenty-one years ago)

There used to be a great Chicago style hot dog stand near BofA headquarters (STATE YOUR NAME BANKER! STATE YOUR DIVISION! ARE YOU GONNA MAKE SURE OUR CUSTOMERS GET CUSTOMER SERVICE SUPPORT? ARE YOU GONNA MAKE SURE OUR CUSTOMERS GET CUSTOMER SERVICE SUPPORT?) but it is gone now (it paled compared to ACTUAL Chicago hot dogs, but pretty much everything does.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 25 March 2005 22:10 (twenty-one years ago)

rofl

I'm really into sausages recently.

― Great, Brave, True, Strong, Great, Real, Wise, Great, Crazy/Beautiful, Grea (nor, Friday, 25 March 2005 22:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Andy's pet peeve: "You haven't EVEN tried pizza, til you've had NYC pizza!" or chicago or cheesesteaks or cajun crawdads or whatnot. Makes me mad.

So I order a kooky deepdish pizza with mango chutney and sprouts and artichokes and ranch, a kooky CALIFORNIA pizza because that's really the only edible thing there is.

― andy --, Friday, 25 March 2005 22:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Do you like EXTREME PIZZA?

― Great, Brave, True, Strong, Great, Real, Wise, Great, Crazy/Beautiful, Grea (nor, Friday, 25 March 2005 22:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Andy's pet peeve is bullshit, because in all those cases the original places version is BETTER than the knock-off.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 25 March 2005 22:17 (twenty-one years ago)

that gioia ny-style pizza place in berkeley is great, just like cheap ass NYC street pizza for twice the price!

― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 25 March 2005 22:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I just don't like to be DISMISSED. I've had NYC and Chicago pizza and they're oily and flaccid. But wholewheat crust, with organic chard and endives and shallots and sun-dried pimentos and grapeseed oil, now that's AUTHENTIC pizza.

― andy -, Friday, 25 March 2005 22:22 (twenty-one years ago)

You deserve to be dismissed for liking organic chard on PIZZA!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 25 March 2005 22:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think it's dismissing as much as just stating that the prominence of a certain food type is indeed GREATER in one city than in another, and -- sorry Andy -- as subjective to you as it is, the masses usually agree in large numbers, so it becomes "fact".. and it's that way usually for historic reasons... but sure, there are always counterexamples.

That said, I sorely miss Sicilian slices from NYC. Whoever opens a Sicilian only pizza place in Seattle that's as good as The Boss in Wmsbrg (a place that has been dismissed amongst NYC ilxors mind you) will get my inheritance and full will. If Mario Bataglia's dad can open Salumi here, I can dream about a Sicilian pizzeria in Seattle. (We already have a great Chicago deep dish place.. come on.. just one more type of pizzeria! pleeeease!!!)

― donut debonair (donut), Friday, 25 March 2005 22:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Anyway I don't consider that kind of pizza to be a knock-off. That's basically comparing oranges to zuccini. Comparing Chicago style hot dogs is different though. They both ASPIRE to exactly the same thing. Just the one from Chicago >>>>>>>>>> the one from San Francisco.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 25 March 2005 22:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I do feel the same way about the veggie Chicago dogs they serve at Shorty's here, as Andy does about that xtr33m Calipizza place in Berkeley... I'll admit.

At least he didn't admit liking the California Pizza Kitchen. To don my Alex In NYC hat, anyone who tells me that CPK is great pizza deserves to wear a pint of skunked malt liquor.

― donut debonair (donut), Friday, 25 March 2005 22:38 (twenty-one years ago)

It was common hazing practice amongst UC Irvine frats to take recruits out to CPK and order them the most "extravagant" pizzas when it first arrived across campus. Little did they know the *ahem* aftereffects they'd suffer. (This story came from a former frat recruit turn KUCI DJ who shall remain nameless.)

― donut debonair (donut), Friday, 25 March 2005 22:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Such mild hazing at Irvine. Who knew?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 25 March 2005 22:45 (twenty-one years ago)

What aftereffects? Satisfaction?

― you make me feel like a tyrannosaurus rex (deangulberry), Friday, 25 March 2005 22:48 (twenty-one years ago)

hahaha!

― Great, Brave, True, Strong, Great, Real, Wise, Great, Crazy/Beautiful, Grea (nor, Friday, 25 March 2005 22:51 (twenty-one years ago)

There was a recent Bon Apetite about 'authenticity.' It said that the oldest known recipe for ravioli (circa 1630) contained cow's udder and bone marrow! Nobody makes it like that anymore.

― andy --, Friday, 25 March 2005 22:52 (twenty-one years ago)

This has nothing to do with authenticity! It has everything to do with QUALITY and the fact that pizzas made with CHARD taste like shit!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 25 March 2005 22:53 (twenty-one years ago)

You guys obviously missed the key word "extravagant"... then again, don't let me stop you guys!.... bon ape tit!

Adam, please don't tell me you like California Pizza Kitchen. I mean, if you're on the road in the middle of nowhere, and you have to choose between Denny's, Taco John's, and CPK, I can understand.. but, dear fucking lord...

― donut debonair (donut), Friday, 25 March 2005 22:55 (twenty-one years ago)

I had the most amazing pizza from the cheeseboard yesterday and it had something chard-like on it

― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 25 March 2005 22:55 (twenty-one years ago)

(I mean Aaron. Sorry, Adam. All you "first name with A" peoplez)

― donut debonair (donut), Friday, 25 March 2005 22:56 (twenty-one years ago)

"I had the most amazing pizza from the cheeseboard yesterday and it had something chard-like on it.."

BOOYAH! How you like me now?! (Does a graphic endzone strut.)

― andy --, Friday, 25 March 2005 23:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Kyle, also thinks that Spanish and Peruvian restaurants are COMPLETELY unrelated. He's not to be trusted on this stuff.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 25 March 2005 23:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Isn't there a Spanish place at the corner of Hyde & Union?

― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 25 March 2005 23:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, I think that was the place I was thinking of above. What's the name though?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 25 March 2005 23:06 (twenty-one years ago)

There's this too:

http://www.lalunarestaurants.com/bigswitch.php3

and this

http://www.inetours.com/Pages/Dining_Archive/Lorca.html

This is the place on Hyde:

Zarzuela

Zarzuela Spanish Restaurant in San Francisco, CA

2000 Hyde St
San Francisco, CA 94109-1718
Cross Street: Union Street
Phone: (415) 346-0800

― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 25 March 2005 23:09 (twenty-one years ago)

That's IT. Yeah it's very good.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 25 March 2005 23:09 (twenty-one years ago)

try B44. It is $20 a plate but they have the best paella you'll ever have outside of the Iberian peninsula.

― Ron Thomas, Monday, 28 March 2005 10:17 (twenty-one years ago)

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