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― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 28 March 2005 17:37 (twenty-one years ago)

It comes out Friday! I've only just seen the trailer like YESTERDAY. Did I miss something, or has this just sorta been under the radar?

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 28 March 2005 17:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Jessica Alba looks smashing.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 28 March 2005 17:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I absolutely detested the comic (I only read the first TPB, which I'm assuming is what the film is based on); I think I really can't stand Frank Miller.

Does this film really have THREE directors (Rodriguez, Miller, and Tarantino)? How did they work that? did they do seperate sequences?

I can't tell if it looks good or if it's Dick Tracy for the new century.

― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 28 March 2005 17:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, I don't know if I'm ready for Rory Gilmore being sexy.

― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 28 March 2005 17:42 (twenty-one years ago)

If fear this movie is going to blow donkeys, but it at least LOOKS interesting.

― andy --, Monday, 28 March 2005 17:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm sure it will be better than Millions which is the worst movie ever!

― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 28 March 2005 17:44 (twenty-one years ago)

This looks rad. you're all mental.

― Ian John50n (orion), Monday, 28 March 2005 17:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I predict that all fans of the comic will hate it and everyone else will go "eh?" and it will tank like Tank Girl.

― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 28 March 2005 17:49 (twenty-one years ago)

DICK TRACY is an American classic!!!!

― whatever (nordicskilla), Monday, 28 March 2005 18:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Dick Tracy is indeed classick. I don't get the three directors thing. I'll go see it, but it will probably suck (Frank Miller has never really had any good ideas... well, maybe Ronin)

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 28 March 2005 18:07 (twenty-one years ago)

No way this is as good as Tank Girl, though.

I just wonder if the blue-screen stuff is going to be as lame here as it was in Sky Captain.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Monday, 28 March 2005 18:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Given A) the HOLY CRAP cast, B) the non-comicky nature of the stories (it's NOIR CRIME FICTION, for the luvva, not spandex foofery) (and, yeah, it's a bunch of, I'm assuming, related vignettes), and C) the promotional push this movie's rec'd, Kyle, I think you are 50 types of wrong w/ that glib Tank Girl dismissal. (Though I've no doubt the hardcore Sin City fans / critics are going to be up in arms, as there's ALWAYS some hardcore faction up in arms over these sorts of things.) (Like, um, most of the cranky folk on this thread?)

In other words, Ian OTM! (Except Alex is also OTM re: Ms. Alba.)

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 28 March 2005 18:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I swear there was another thread on this already. I'm excited. It looks neat to me.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 28 March 2005 18:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Reason #1 why Sin City will not tank like Tank Girl: It does not star Lori Petty.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 28 March 2005 18:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Ah, but will it tank like "Howard the Duck" then?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 28 March 2005 18:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Reason #1 why Sin City will not tank like Howard The Duck: It does not star a duck.

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 28 March 2005 18:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Neither Lori Petty nor A Duck were the problem in either case.

― sunburned and snowblind (kenan), Monday, 28 March 2005 18:15 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean, in my mind, I can imagine a good movie starring a Duck. Maybe even a fucking fantastic one.

― sunburned and snowblind (kenan), Monday, 28 March 2005 18:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Reason #1 why Sin City will not tank like Tank Girl: It does not star Lori Petty.

OTFM

― Leon Bluth (Ex Leon), Monday, 28 March 2005 18:17 (twenty-one years ago)

sorry to the SF people that have already heard me say this, but i was within inches of Rosario Dawson last thursday. my wife threw this gigantic event and she showe up and stayed till we kicked her out. here she is with my wife's boss

http://webrebbe.com/ebay/mediafiles/l105.jpg

also, Rory Gillmore does look especially hot. weird

― The JaXoN 5 (JasonD), Monday, 28 March 2005 18:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Sin City has too many hot properties starring in it to not have a monster opening weekend.

(xpost, um would your wife's boss and Rosario Dawson mind coming over to Boston and doing a nasty little dance for me?)

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 28 March 2005 18:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Rosario's mohawk in this looks quite impressive!

I must say; I am stoked.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 28 March 2005 18:21 (twenty-one years ago)

I like that Bruce Willis managed to get that role once again in this. That's called EXPERIENCE.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 28 March 2005 18:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Dan, maybe I can drive up to Boston when they arrive & we can reshoot the strip club scene from Beverly Hills Cop? (I'm Rosewood, obviously, though my body type is more Taggert.)

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 28 March 2005 18:22 (twenty-one years ago)

http://i.imdb.com/mptv1.gif

― Maria D. (Maria D.), Monday, 28 March 2005 18:28 (twenty-one years ago)

oops, I'm speechless.

I always get a little embarrassed when I see Rory getting sexed up, but she is hottt and I imagine we'll be seeing more hotness from her to come.

http://i.imdb.com/mptv1.gif

― Maria D. (Maria D.), Monday, 28 March 2005 18:29 (twenty-one years ago)

The difficulty with the trailer (and, as a matter of fact, with all comic adaptation) is that one can't judge in advance how well the 'serious' bits will play between the superhuman fireworks, kinetic f/x (though who better than Rodriguez for this?), and morality-play drama. Judged by its trailer, Once Upon a Time in Mexico seemed a superb film, and in microcosm it looked like Rodriguez had appropriated the cartoony character-interactions for action-comic gold. But over the course of the film it became apparant he was unable to puncture their grandios mythologic personas to give even a shred of believable human interest. And say what you will, but good action-comic movies are utterly dependent upon these little bits of quiet character business to set in relief the exciting obscenity of the violence. Sure, these bits were in OUATIM, but they were too obviously compulsory, and too obviously appliqued onto the veneer of the gee-whiz spectacle that was the film's core.

So my concern for Sin City is this: If the drama is the core of the story, augmented by the kind of 'neat shots' action-sequences Rodriguez loves, I see potential for a good digital-file (and he's calling it this, not a 'film'). BUT: If the 'neat shots' action sequence are the core, augmented by consciously-overblown character work, it's gonna be a stinker. Reductively: style or substance first?

― Remy (x Jeremy), Monday, 28 March 2005 18:30 (twenty-one years ago)

grandiose

― Remy (x Jeremy), Monday, 28 March 2005 18:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Is there no room for a visually-based storytelling technique where the style is the substance?

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 28 March 2005 18:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes! Kill Bill, f'rinstance. Or Black Stallion, which is one of my favorite movies of all time. But Sin City comics (graphic novels, what-have-you) are stories relying so heavily on precise character moments that I think slighting them in favor of a purely optical festival will net a crummy.

― Remy (x Jeremy), Monday, 28 March 2005 18:50 (twenty-one years ago)

movie.

― Remy (x Jeremy), Monday, 28 March 2005 18:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Okay, I can see that; I haven't read any of the Sin City stories so I have no idea how heavily reliant they are on character study. (I'm tempted to make the argument that focusing on presenting the vignettes in the style of the comic book could actually greatly focus and enhance the execution of the character studies of the comic books but since I haven't read them and I haven't seen the movie I would be talking out of my ass worse than I usually do.)

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 28 March 2005 18:56 (twenty-one years ago)

(IE, the wholesale appropriation of the comic book's visual style could enhance many of the storytelling tricks used by comic book artists to convey their portion of the character study.)

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 28 March 2005 18:59 (twenty-one years ago)

On zee web, there was an extended trailer / promo clip available from Sin City featuring, among other bits, a complete 3-to-4-minute scene w/ Marley Shelton & Josh Hartnett that seemed, to me, to be perfect - just enough character development for the climax / moment to work, and spot-on in terms of mood and execution and style. Over the top, but not too over the top; iconic, but not aggressively so. (That last phrase is probably gonna get misinterpreted / flamed for bullshittyness, but I'll leave it.) I think the Shelton / Hartnett scene was what Rodriguez used to get Frank Miller's approval!

(Note: I've only read bits of the books, never a complete story.)

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 28 March 2005 19:04 (twenty-one years ago)

The comic books are almost entirely about 1-d sketches of pulp heroes and villains and heroism and suchlike (where the suchlike focussed on ninja hookers as the series went on). They're trumpeted as providing as "serious" alternative to superheores, but the irony is that their inspiration is one of the few genres shallower than men-in-tights.

On the other hand, the film looks fantastic.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 28 March 2005 19:25 (twenty-one years ago)

"Their inspiration" there includes themselves.

Anyway from ILC: Sin City: The Movie and Sin City (The Movie): HOLY @&#!

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 28 March 2005 19:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Andrew OTM. The books are all about zingers and titties.

― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Monday, 28 March 2005 19:49 (twenty-one years ago)

1-d sketches are still characters, Andrew.

― Remy (x Jeremy), Monday, 28 March 2005 20:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Um. I know you get mad when I challenge you on film things but how could they possibly excise the characters from Sin City and still use all of the actors who are going to be in it? You're making this out to be a feature-length Liquid Television cartoon and there's absolutely nothing out there that would support this presupposition.

Not even "Bad Boys II" did what you are positing "Sin City" is going to do; hell, your example film "Once Upon A Time In America" didn't do what you said it did!

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 28 March 2005 20:15 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm so excited! I haven't read the comic, but it looks worth watching for style.

― Maria (Maria), Monday, 28 March 2005 20:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't get mad unless I perceive - sometimes incorrectly - condescention or snippiness!

What I mean is this: For a (narrative) movie to be any good the plot must = the character(s) and the characters must = their choices. As an audience watching a film, we can't be interested in a bunch-of-stuff-happening. We've got some rooting interest in the character, or else we hate the film. Guaranteed! Our engagement to any film is based upon our hope and our fear: hope that s/he/it'll succeed on some quest, and fear of the consequences when s/he/it doesn't. In XXX it's hope that Vin Diesel'll stop a maniacal plot without getting killed and fear that he'll die on the way. In Once Upon a Time in Mexico (not America), on which I think we both agree as a mediocre flick, the drive (and thus our rooting interest) is unclear. We don't feel invested in what's going on, except as spectacle, because the characters are drawn so shoddily. And we can't engage with them except as cartoons: badass #1, badass #2, slightly more badass #3. So we care less, and discard the movie more easily than an engaging and popular action flick like Die Hard, The Rock, or Terminator 2, where we DO care about the character beyond just as a body who may/may not get shot.

― Remy (x Jeremy), Monday, 28 March 2005 20:36 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=4996
May answer some questions about the 3 directors situation, and how much attention the actors paid to character, etc. Not very in-depth, but hey.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Monday, 28 March 2005 20:40 (twenty-one years ago)

The problem with OUATIM was not characters arc (in fact that movie has a GREAT character arc--it's just unfortunate that the whole damn movie wasn't Johnny Depp's blind gunfighter) it was too MANY characters and poor as fuck plotting. This is not an issue that a movie like Sin City (composed of short tightly written vignettes) is going to have.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 28 March 2005 20:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I was going to say, I cared a lot about Antonio Banderas' character! That basically made the movie for me.

I didn't go absolutely gaga over OUATIM the way I did over Desperado but I did enjoy it and I didn't have any problem enjoying the characters' story arcs or feeling their motivations/narrative impetus.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 28 March 2005 20:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I was notably UNSTOKED about this, nickalicious. i've been warming up to the idea over the past few weeks though. great cast, great visuals yadda yadda (the look is very on-point from what I've seen, whereas the early peeks were giving me sky-captain heebie jeebies) I never dug the comics so much, aside from That Yellow Bastard, and mainly because of what Lee mentioned - it's all titties and zingers. zitties. uh, anyway, this could actually bode well for the movie, since there's not a lot to preserve outside the visceral end of things, and that looks to have been taken care of pretty well.

― Cabaret Voltron (PUNXSUTAWNEY PENIS), Monday, 28 March 2005 21:02 (twenty-one years ago)

"I was going to say, I cared a lot about Antonio Banderas' character! "

what character!!!

― Cabaret Voltron (PUNXSUTAWNEY PENIS), Monday, 28 March 2005 21:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I think we'll have to disagree -- I liked Desperado, and because of my investment in the (albeit slight) Antonio Bandaras character. But in OUATIM? Nope. I found him just a figure passing through a bunch of overwrought plot-mechanics. Also, Alex, I think we're saying the same thing: poor as fuck plotting comes from having characters that're so stringy that their confrontations feel desultory and badly-planned, as opposed with inevitable and written in a way to progress the story. The too-many characters thing didn't bother me as much, but I definately agree with you re. that.

― Remy (x Jeremy), Monday, 28 March 2005 21:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Well my problem was I wanted the movie to be about Johnny Depp. I didn't give a shit about Banderas in Desperado (which sucked almost as soon as Salma Hayek appeared) and I couldn't care less about him in OUATIM either actually.

Either way, Sin City isn't going to have these problems (unless it's structured in a completely different way than I am led to believe.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 28 March 2005 21:17 (twenty-one years ago)

I hope it's good!

― Remy (x Jeremy), Monday, 28 March 2005 21:19 (twenty-one years ago)

It looks fairly neat and all (I don’t anything about this kind of stuff) but so umm yeah: I’m just kinda curious to see Alexis Bledel trying to be sexy. There was a time when I, too, wasn’t ready for it, but that time seems to have passed.

― nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 28 March 2005 21:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I wish my b/f's games company was still doing the game for this, it would have been hilarious. Yes, a game was mooted. His co's publishers were making noises abt it being a GTA type thing, which is So Totally Wrong. It never happened though. Possibly a good thing.

― Trayce (trayce), Monday, 28 March 2005 23:40 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.visionsofalexis.com/galleries/sincity/02.jpg

― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Monday, 28 March 2005 23:50 (twenty-one years ago)

http://romanticmovies.about.com/library/graphics/sincitypubf.jpg

― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Monday, 28 March 2005 23:55 (twenty-one years ago)

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