Ugh, did not know about the Stone connection.
Ties in with this story from last week about Breitbart's Coming Exploitation of the Believe Women Movement.
― ... (Eazy), Thursday, 16 November 2017 19:05 (six years ago) link
yeah... I want to be extremely careful about being That Guy but I am hopeful we'll hear more from other sources on this one
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Thursday, 16 November 2017 19:12 (six years ago) link
If Franken could put up a better "defense"...would he?
― Randall Jarrell (dandydonweiner), Thursday, 16 November 2017 19:18 (six years ago) link
well he is a democrat
― j., Thursday, 16 November 2017 19:20 (six years ago) link
even if it's a right wing smear job he's fucked
― flappy bird, Thursday, 16 November 2017 19:20 (six years ago) link
yea Tweeden was one of the hosts of Red Eye for a while wasn't she? I hate to go there as well but there's a chance this has been in someone's pocket for a while
― frogbs, Thursday, 16 November 2017 19:21 (six years ago) link
If it happened in 2006, imagine the impact if the pic would have surfaced in Franken's election campaign. Those 314 votes (and Senate majority...) seems even tighter.
― Randall Jarrell (dandydonweiner), Thursday, 16 November 2017 19:24 (six years ago) link
would like to see an oppo research nuclear war break out in the Congress
― President Keyes, Thursday, 16 November 2017 19:24 (six years ago) link
^^ That's the thing. No need to mute Stone as much as having everyone go for broke.
I mean, Stone is the one who lined up the Bill Clinton women at the last Presidential debate.
― ... (Eazy), Thursday, 16 November 2017 19:37 (six years ago) link
an oppo research nuclear war break out in the Congress
I doubt it would confine itself to just ridding us of the 'bad' people, after which the good would triumph and peace would reign. Seems to me the result would be a humpty-dumpty situation, where Congress would altogether cease to function as an institution. For all time.
― A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 16 November 2017 19:39 (six years ago) link
Franken's statement is really as good as I think it could be, under the circumstances, calling for an ethics investigation on himself (and preempting others).
If the Believe Women movement is to be cynically exploited by the Roger Stones of the world, we can expect ambitious politicians will start adopting policies like Mike Pence's, to have a minder with them at all private meetings, with the insinuation that some women and men will make shit up.
Imagine having "politician chaperone" on your resume.
― Sanpaku, Thursday, 16 November 2017 19:45 (six years ago) link
If the Believe Women movement is to be cynically exploited by the Roger Stones of the world,
this was an inevitable and smart move. calling for an ethics investigation is pretty absurd considering there's a picture
― flappy bird, Thursday, 16 November 2017 19:47 (six years ago) link
look who's jumping on the "burn it all down" train
Honestly the Senate should just expel itself and start over.— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) November 16, 2017
― flappy bird, Thursday, 16 November 2017 19:51 (six years ago) link
Well there were probably witnesses. Unfortunately, the other people on that tour were Mark Wills (country singer, NRA Life Member), Darryl Worley (country singer, performed at Trump's inaugural), Keni Thomas (country singer and vet, featured on Christian Broadcasting Network), and members of the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders.
― Sanpaku, Thursday, 16 November 2017 19:52 (six years ago) link
imo the left is uniquely susceptible to the use of harassment/abuse charges as a political cudgel since their constituents (both political and in media/hollywood) actually care about the charges whereas the right can rely to some extent on embedded structural patriarchy (esp in religious circles), and just general distrust of liberal institutions to get a pass (tho obv the right hasn't been totally spared from recent revelations). not to say this should have any bearing on whether predators should be called out - just something to keep in mind that the left's decency on this issue can/will be used against them.
― Mordy, Thursday, 16 November 2017 19:53 (six years ago) link
Roger Stone's an idiot for tweeting that out
― frogbs, Thursday, 16 November 2017 20:00 (six years ago) link
As I said upthread, his brother was also on this tour. The most memorable thing about the story I was told was the two crates of oysters from Le Baron Rouge that O (who lives in Paris) sorted for a formal dinner.
― kim jong deal (suzy), Thursday, 16 November 2017 20:14 (six years ago) link
just something to keep in mind that the left's decency on this issue can/will be used against them
Something like that, anyway.
― Randall Jarrell (dandydonweiner), Thursday, 16 November 2017 20:48 (six years ago) link
Look he better have done it the way she said or I'll have gotten totally outraged for nothing
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 16 November 2017 21:04 (six years ago) link
Meanwhile...
Old Vic says 20 men made allegations against Kevin Spacey https://t.co/FGF4nXoCdN pic.twitter.com/vN1syHQAuP— The Age (@theage) November 16, 2017
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 16 November 2017 23:57 (six years ago) link
next year Americans will find institutional murder by the USG just as offensive as molesters, I can feel it
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 17 November 2017 02:53 (six years ago) link
this thread is a growing monument to the left's moral superiority
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 17 November 2017 04:08 (six years ago) link
take it to the rolling politics threadi am all for talking abt the shitty predatory behaviour of politicians but all other shit that goes along with that is just sneering windbaggery that has no place herethank u
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 17 November 2017 04:12 (six years ago) link
ok but that Al Franken photo is gross af
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 17 November 2017 04:13 (six years ago) link
did someone say otherwise?
― frogbs, Friday, 17 November 2017 04:16 (six years ago) link
i don't know, do you think so? i am stating my opinion for the record. i feel strongly about this. if i was there on the helicopter i would have told him to cut that shit out, that is not cool. we are going to joke about non consensual sexual acts 2 years after Abu Grahib. ffs
Well there were probably witnesses. Unfortunately, the other people on that tour were Mark Wills (country singer, NRA Life Member), Darryl Worley (country singer, performed at Trump's inaugural), Keni Thomas (country singer and vet, featured on Christian Broadcasting Network), and members of the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders.― Sanpaku, Thursday, November 16, 2017 2:52 PM (nine hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Sanpaku, Thursday, November 16, 2017 2:52 PM (nine hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
wtf is this? this the "she was dressed sexily"/"he was smoking weed/a thug" of the left? these redneck hick country singers and cheerladers are from the dilapidated small towns that produce volunteers for our armed forces. these yokels are on this mission for their country just like the great Hollywood liberal and he is the one being a huge jerk.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 17 November 2017 04:59 (six years ago) link
what are you trying to say? i think it goes without saying everyone in this thread finds the photo repulsive
― flappy bird, Friday, 17 November 2017 05:41 (six years ago) link
yeah is this just like a weird emphatic "I agree with everyone" tantrum or
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 17 November 2017 07:07 (six years ago) link
I don't know that Adam's being unclear - Sanpaku is saying that the other people on this tour are Republican 'types' / people whose careers depend on love from Republicans, so are not likely to come forward with any potential mitigating context. And Adam's calling them out on this.
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 17 November 2017 08:14 (six years ago) link
Lol funny that when you go on tour to entertain the occupation army in Iraq, most of your colleagues will be right wingers.
I dunno, maybe this fact should have induced some self-reflection in Franken at the time.
― But doctor, I am Camille Paglia (Bananaman Begins), Friday, 17 November 2017 08:45 (six years ago) link
tl/dr: sexual harassment not his most serious crime here
― But doctor, I am Camille Paglia (Bananaman Begins), Friday, 17 November 2017 08:46 (six years ago) link
That is a stunningly bad take.
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 17 November 2017 10:25 (six years ago) link
yeah you can't apply tl:dr to a 2 sentence post jfc
― treeship: a year in the life (wins), Friday, 17 November 2017 10:38 (six years ago) link
i ate a sandwich
tl;dr: i ate
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Friday, 17 November 2017 17:38 (six years ago) link
tl;dr: i8
― President Keyes, Friday, 17 November 2017 18:14 (six years ago) link
Readers [url=https://greilmarcus.net/ask-greil-2/]ask Greil Marcus about Bill Clinton[/i]:
With Bill Clinton, I think there is, suddenly, a rush to judgment, right now, to let no stone go unturned. I think it ought to be remembered that the accusations against him by the women Donald Trump was able to sign up, if not pay off, to counter the scandal over his taped bragging that he could and as a matter of course did get away with anything, and I think more important to him than countering any scandal, to humiliate Hillary Clinton before the second presidential debate last year, either to throw her off or, I believe, just for the pleasure of humiliating her, have to be seen (I realize that this is an absurdly convoluted sentence, but I think it scans, so please bear with me) in the context of, it not part of, the enormous scandal-machine, the accurately described vast right-wing conspiracy, to destroy Bill Clinton. Remember the Clinton hit lists, the body-counts, which claimed more than twenty murders on the part of the Clintons during Bill Clinton’s years as governor of Arkansas and after? Remember that much of what has been said by Clinton’s accusers—and Monica Lewinsky was not an accuser—fits perfectly with the narrative that had been constructed before they came, or were brought forward, and that the word narrative, in political use if not standard definition, means constructed, which is to say false, story? Some people find the sexual harassment and worse described by Kathleen Wiley credible. Do her claims that the Clintons had not only her husband but her pet killed buttress the credibility of her sexual accusations or, you know, make you laugh?
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 17 November 2017 19:51 (six years ago) link
oops
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 17 November 2017 19:52 (six years ago) link
what an asshole
― President Keyes, Friday, 17 November 2017 19:56 (six years ago) link
i81b4u
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 17 November 2017 20:00 (six years ago) link
https://www.hugi.is/media/contentimages/385x300/144856.png
― to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 17 November 2017 20:03 (six years ago) link
^ my favorite mid '70s Bowie song
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 17 November 2017 20:06 (six years ago) link
Another. Also, the first big name from Vice.
http://variety.com/2017/digital/news/vice-jason-mojica-suspended-sexual-harassment-1202617460/
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 17 November 2017 20:22 (six years ago) link
Jeffrey Tambor: I am "volatile," but not a predator
http://www.vulture.com/2017/11/jeffrey-tambor-admits-flaws-following-harassment-claims.html
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 17 November 2017 20:50 (six years ago) link
Mad Men producer supports writer's account of Matt Weiner harassment
http://www.vulture.com/2017/11/marti-noxon-calls-matthew-weiner-an-emotional-terrorist.html
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 17 November 2017 20:56 (six years ago) link
https://adequateman.deadspin.com/shitty-male-apologies-from-this-news-cycle-ranked-1820550283
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 17 November 2017 21:40 (six years ago) link
Legitimately curious, did anyone accused have a "good" apology?
― Evan, Friday, 17 November 2017 21:45 (six years ago) link
Taibbi's was better than the ones listed, i thought
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 17 November 2017 21:52 (six years ago) link
good apology probably starts at self-castration
― imago, Friday, 17 November 2017 21:52 (six years ago) link
i missed the Richard Dreyfuss thing (his son's account re Spacey groping him makes this ... ohnevermind)
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 17 November 2017 21:53 (six years ago) link
The whole apology thing is weird. Are people expecting apologies to make everything right? An apology won't undo anything. Pretty much the most you can expect is a person to admit they did something wrong and promise not to do it again.
― silverfish, Friday, 17 November 2017 21:55 (six years ago) link