Weinsteins step down as Miramax CEOs

My first thought: who the hell is Michael Haneke?
My second thought: that question's not worth answering.

the 45th greatest director of all time

45th, eh. so, where did Woody Allen place?

97th

then he and woody belong to a highly distinguished group, no doubt.

Well, Hitchcock won, so...

I would love to hear Hitchcock's views on the respect that should be accorded to actresses, too. We could poll his, Woody's and Mr. Haneke's views on the subject.

Don't leave out Von Trier, I hear he has some ideas too.

Bresson too

korean director kim ki-duk's turn

Famed SKorean director #KimKiDuk was convicted of physically abusing an actress. Yet he has been invited to @berlinale film fest that publicly supported #MeToo campaign against abuse of women. I asked Kim's victim how she feels about it @AFP https://t.co/NaWp8dtYga #berlinale2018

— Hawon Jung (@allyjung) February 11, 2018

seems like korea has the most support for having an open conversation on men's sexual misconduct and women's rights issues, while in japan and china it's basically non-existent

cluck-clucking over every male filmmaker in history, goddamn i love atheist moral scolds

are you really saying every male filmmaker in history abuses or disrespects actresses?

no, you checklisters are coming close enough

so, it's only the great preponderance of them?

or maybe you'd agree that male filmmakers differ in this regard and by examining their words and actions those differences become apparent so that their views on the matter are open to judgment, including negative judgment?

strange, some posts on this board read as total gibberish to me. must be my eyes.

what exactly was bresson accused of?

I think reading has more to do with brains than eyes, tbh.

filmmakers have historically been mostly men. it's a job the combines artistic privilege with an even more massive power imbalance and (often) a whole lot of people beneath you. the fact that this combination has so often resulted in abuses is not surprising.

teasing out individual dead abusers and dragging them for their crimes is not that interesting to me unless there are living victims there to benefit from it. it's a systemic issue.

won't someone PLEASE think of the male filmmakers?

strange, some posts on this board read as total gibberish to me. must be my eyes.

― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, February 12, 2018 1:54 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Nah, think it's just your keyboard.

http://blog.edtechie.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/kingofcomedy.jpg

anyhoo Simon otm

It's historically important because it highlights how omnipresent that shit has always been (and especially necessary in cinema because there's a whole mystique around directors having to be tyrants/assholes/abusers in the name of their art, which I don't think applies as much to other arts).

I'm fine with accepting Hitch was both one of the greatest directors of all time and an abuser, don't really think pointing the latter out is in and of itself denying the former.

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a whole mystique around directors having to be tyrants/assholes/abusers in the name of their art, which I don't think applies as much to other arts

hmmm, some off-Broadway play about Diaghilev and Nijinsky just opened. And y'know, The Red Shoes and its real-life analogues?

teasing out individual dead abusers

Dead in the way that michael haneke, lars von trier, woody allen and kim ki duk are dead?

it's a systemic issue.

and yet somehow it is personal, too

hmmm, some off-Broadway play about Diaghilev and Nijinsky just opened. And y'know, The Red Shoes and its real-life analogues?

This is correct, I think this applies to the director role in both theatre and cinema.

yes.

I was referring to Bresson and hitch fwiw xp

I think given the significant mental health issues D’arcy has been dealing with for nearly two decades, it would be more gross

what exactly was bresson accused of?

Entitled, abusive behavior clearly extends beyond stage/screen directors. TV moguls (Ailes etc), political candidates, novelists back when they could become stars, academics, CEOs, everyday workplace supervisors, ad nauseum.

Yeah we know

seems like a question for another thread really but it struck me as not impossible that the element of directing theatre and film that involves psychological mindfuck, to produce "authentic" performance of extreme states of mind, is an offshoot of the arrival of method acting? (not that bullying didn't exist before,obviously, but that a particular kind of psychological manipulation was greatly enabled, and somewhat encouraged, by the values that method acting most prized)

ballet i think is slightly different (tho i suppose the techniques may be similar) bcz it's pushing people to physical rather than psychogical limits -- tho actually you could sorta-kinda make a not-enitely trollish case for nijinsky being a pioneer of "method ballet"

(it happens in music also: miles, james brown, beefheart, mark e. smith)

It's been occurring to me as these stories continue to pop up that the key to that kind of provocation in the arts is the presence of a 'safe word' of sorts, a way for a performer to clearly indicate that they're uncomfortable and a sign for a director to back off before they cross a line. Those kinds of interactions can be valuable and reap rewards but boundaries need to be erected and respected or it just crosses the line into exploitation or worse.

I'm not suggesting shitty behaviour is limited to ppl in cinema (obv), I'm saying the popular perception of what a Great Director is like is more explicitly enabling of abuses of power than it is for, say, writers or musicians. This does not prevent writers and musicians from abusing their power!

ballet i think is slightly different

― mark s, Monday, February 12, 2018 12:23 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

from what a couple dancer exes have told me, it depends on what type of dance, but there is definitely a give it your all, pushing your limits psychologically, especially if the dancer relates to the story and it's a classical one of sorts (like ballet), if there is even a story. this is for another thread, though. i don't want to digress too much but my beef is with contemporary/jazz dance where everything is so abstract and the focus is on body movement/technique (kind of like the nederlands dans theater), plus like a lot of female dancers seem to want to meet their dancer soulmate when it comes to performing a piece, and doing a love duet, which just boggles my mind

(yes, i shd have said classical ballet -- and yes really we shd take this particular idea to a different thread)

maybe the john cassavetes thread

Morbs: in your opinion how should these allegations be dealt with?

as a hypothetical: famous actress A accuses famous director X of sexual misconduct.

what should happen?

Last week, or 50 years past / 90 years past?

5 years past

I don't have an answer. Are we talking the judicial system or the court of public opinion? I see deep, abiding flaws in both, and they work occasionally too.

I don't think people who abuse power should be allowed to keep wielding it. (I'd also like to see a much less hierarchical power structure at work in hollywood, along with robust protections helped along by organized labor, but I'm not gonna get all commie in here again I promise)

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court of public opinion

It's also surprisingly easy to make good art and not abuse people

It’s just so easy to not sexually harass people you have supervisory authority over

It’s extremely easy to never do that

hey, what's the point of being an artiste if I can't play grabass

Forrest J Ackerman outed as an infamous monster:

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/monsterkidclassichorrorforum/forrest-j-ackerman-s-metoo-moment-t68925.html

ugh

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still waiting morbs