meanwhile, there's this, which is horrifying: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/opinions/arlington-texas/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.a0513c899c30
(the "faith" part is the most horrifying because it is pretty emblematic of the lengths people go to make bullying/harassment seem not just plausibly deniable, but plausibly deniable to the point that if you indicate what it is actually happening, you look ridiculous.)
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Wednesday, 19 September 2018 18:56 (five years ago) link
that was a good article
― Dan S, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 19:01 (five years ago) link
know what else shows bad judgment?!?!?!!??!?!?!?raping someone in high school
sorry i keep getting these inappropriate outbursts that are becoming more difficult to control the more people try to defend him
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 19 September 2018 19:15 (five years ago) link
I definitely never defended kavanaugh (not that you implied i did—just for the historical record)
― Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 19:17 (five years ago) link
omg no i know, don't worrylike i said i am outbursting and my usual composure is compromised
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 19 September 2018 19:22 (five years ago) link
xxp re: the Amber Wyatt piece, agree, the description of how cruel everyone else in the school and in the community was to her afterwards was sickening to read
― Dan S, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 19:23 (five years ago) link
i may never understand this whole small town football insanity
― Nhex, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 19:23 (five years ago) link
also WTF at this unrelated tidbit:
“We had cases where there were photographs and confessions from the suspects that were no-billed,” Johnson told me in 2015 in the tidy living room of her Fort Worth home. One case in particular stuck with her: A man admitted to giving a woman drugs that would render her unconscious — and then raping her after she had passed out and photographing the act. The victim was sent the photographs of her own rape, which she turned over to police. Still, the grand jury decided not to indict.
― Nhex, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 19:27 (five years ago) link
it's not just small town football insanitythis is why you/we don't know about all the sexual assault that happensif there were a metal detector that would beep when it detects someone has experienced sexual assault, the noise would be deafening
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 19 September 2018 19:27 (five years ago) link
it's not just small town football stuff, but there is frequently a popularity component. this is how it worked in steubenville (where the victim was accused of trying to "social climb"), it's how it worked in glen ridge (where the victim was disabled)
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Wednesday, 19 September 2018 19:40 (five years ago) link
i can't even begin to start reading about this case -- it will send me into a tailspinthe way people will twist themselves into 150,000 tons of rold gold pretzels to blame victims is beyond what i can tolerate
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 19 September 2018 19:42 (five years ago) link
yeah if you are not in a great place I would recommend holding off on reading about either of those
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Wednesday, 19 September 2018 19:45 (five years ago) link
Le Lechera otm
― Ross, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 19:47 (five years ago) link
But of course
Ex-NY Review of Books editor: "I have now myself been convicted on Twitter" https://t.co/LaYiIJPgxT pic.twitter.com/C16wmc2NBg— Talking Points Memo (@TPM) September 20, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 20 September 2018 20:57 (five years ago) link
Buruma reportedly maintains that he was not fired, but that threatened boycotts made it impossible for him to remain in his role....“I still stand behind my decision to publish,” Buruma said. “I expected that there would intense reactions, but I hoped that it would open a discussion about what to do with people who behaved badly, but who were acquitted in a court of law.”“You could be right that it gave him too much room to tell his side of the story, without a response and without critical questions,” he continued.
...
“I still stand behind my decision to publish,” Buruma said. “I expected that there would intense reactions, but I hoped that it would open a discussion about what to do with people who behaved badly, but who were acquitted in a court of law.”
“You could be right that it gave him too much room to tell his side of the story, without a response and without critical questions,” he continued.
Yes, possibly right there.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 20 September 2018 20:58 (five years ago) link
threatened boycotts made it impossible for him to remain in his role.
in what way is this even remotely true
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Thursday, 20 September 2018 21:10 (five years ago) link
They’ve been taking some epic shots on Buruma and Hockenberry over at LGM http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2018/09/fired-youre-bad-job-not-violation-due-processhttp://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2018/09/book-entitled-lolita
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 20 September 2018 21:15 (five years ago) link
If all the women that were threatened on twitter could no longer work...
― Yerac, Thursday, 20 September 2018 23:51 (five years ago) link
Is it wrong that I could watch them and the journalists they make a point of quoting dunk on these clowns for a year and not get tired of it?
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Friday, 21 September 2018 00:09 (five years ago) link
After Amber Wyatt's story was published some students came forward to apologize to her for how they had treated her. And some came forward to say they had experienced the very same thing. An epilogue: https://t.co/q1NK4jgZ8k— Elizabeth Bruenig (@ebruenig) September 21, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 21 September 2018 22:27 (five years ago) link
NYRB website has a (still too generous) disclaimer now:
https://i.imgur.com/qxMAHFn.png
― Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 22 September 2018 00:00 (five years ago) link
maybe at some point they'll offer a few pages to the 20+ women
'what it's like when your abuser is acquitted and offered space in a magazine to justify it' is a topic that i'm sure ian buruma would find interesting
― mookieproof, Saturday, 22 September 2018 00:20 (five years ago) link
BTW was he paid for that essay?
― Yerac, Saturday, 22 September 2018 00:22 (five years ago) link
probably not much, but i'm sure he was
― mookieproof, Saturday, 22 September 2018 00:35 (five years ago) link
This is a very good speech by someone who happens to be an excellent writer. I hope she's in the letters next week.
― Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 22 September 2018 01:06 (five years ago) link
"You can't #MeToo the Republican Party" y/n? my friend brought this up and I couldn't think of a single GOP person who was accused & suffered consequences except for ROY MOORE. but maybe I'm forgetting someone
― flappy bird, Saturday, 22 September 2018 04:51 (five years ago) link
oh, Rob Porter
― flappy bird, Saturday, 22 September 2018 04:52 (five years ago) link
a local state rep got run out of the legislature last year for nonstop perving on any and all skirt-wearing colleagues
― j., Saturday, 22 September 2018 04:55 (five years ago) link
I’ll see your state legislator and raise you one: Minnesota Rep. Jim Knoblach ends re-election bid after allegations by daughter. http://strib.mn/2OHKN4U
― I Never Promised You A Hose Harden (Eric H.), Saturday, 22 September 2018 12:56 (five years ago) link
I've been assiduously trying to avoid public discourse in general, but I have been thinking about how #MeToo relates to the Republican party. Even acknowledging that they were always awful in the past few years they've gone beyond an event horizon. They've put themselves in a position where they can't allow themselves to acknowledge shame. I don't see how, at this juncture, they can claw themselves back to become more than the rapist/abuser party.
― milkshake duck george bernard shaw (rushomancy), Saturday, 22 September 2018 13:33 (five years ago) link
Ghomeshi launched The Ideation Project with a monologue called "Exiles" on the topic of what it means to not have a homeland.[81] ...The show was launched on a web network associated with Rush Limbaugh, and The Globe and Mail reviewed the web series as a "less than triumphant return" despite what they refer to as his slick voice and delivery.[83]
― Trϵϵship, Saturday, 22 September 2018 13:48 (five years ago) link
That knoblach story is so fucking gross on so many levels. And now that girl is all alone bc political careers are apparently the most important thing.
― just1n3, Saturday, 22 September 2018 16:57 (five years ago) link
and her grandmother is a monster
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Saturday, 22 September 2018 18:09 (five years ago) link
jesus. more details on that story here: https://www.mprnews.org/story/2018/09/21/knoblach-ends-campaign-amid-abuse-allegations
― Nhex, Saturday, 22 September 2018 18:57 (five years ago) link
excellent On the Media segments this week on Anita Hill, the Hockenberry/Ghomeshi PR rehabs, atonement,and the McDonalds strike.
https://www.npr.org/podcasts/452538775/on-the-media
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 23 September 2018 14:45 (five years ago) link
Jack Smith IV, writer for Mic, accused by five women of harrassment, coercion
https://jezebel.com/the-next-step-for-metoo-is-into-the-gray-areas-1829269384
― goole, Monday, 24 September 2018 20:19 (five years ago) link
so Keith Ellison stories not getting much traction despite being quite awful
― akm, Monday, 24 September 2018 21:30 (five years ago) link
yeah i guess people don't want to deal
― Trϵϵship, Monday, 24 September 2018 21:33 (five years ago) link
thankfully, he didn't become the DNC chair because this would be blanket coverage and would have been used to discredit the progressive wing of the party
― Trϵϵship, Monday, 24 September 2018 21:34 (five years ago) link
he needs to be investigated and likely step down. this is far worse than Franken's alleged infractions.
― akm, Monday, 24 September 2018 21:49 (five years ago) link
he's already giving up his seat since he's not running for re-election this year, right? so all he would have to do would be to bow out of the AG's race. No big loss, I should think.
― Οὖτις, Monday, 24 September 2018 21:51 (five years ago) link
... and the Ellison thing has been blown slightly out of proportion by MAGA Chuds seeking equivalency w/the Kavanaugh scandal (fake victim photo etc.).
― Ubering With The King (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 24 September 2018 21:59 (five years ago) link
i mean, if he beat his girlfriends which it seems he did--two accusers--then he shouldn't be the attorney general of minnesota, just as kavanaugh shouldn't be a supreme court justice if he used to assault young women in his high school and college years. it is equivalent.
― Trϵϵship, Monday, 24 September 2018 22:00 (five years ago) link
Ellison story is pretty insignificant compared to bigger stream of scandals coming out on a daily basis - Ellison's just not that big a figure in nat'l politics, and he's leaving office, with a chance that he will lose the AG race in November (I would think? although I guess it's too late for Dems to find another candidate so idk)
― Οὖτις, Monday, 24 September 2018 22:04 (five years ago) link
XP "Equivalency" isn't the right word, and I shouldn't have used it: They're considering the Kavanaugh allegations as Fake News while fanning the flames against Ellison (which are damning enough in reality) w/genuine fake stuff about him and his accuser.
― Ubering With The King (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 24 September 2018 22:05 (five years ago) link
couldn't the runner up just replace him? xp
― Trϵϵship, Monday, 24 September 2018 22:06 (five years ago) link
BTW...
NYRB publisher statement re Ian Buruma firing over Jian Ghomeshi piece: "We acknowledge our failures in the presentation and editing of his story....We surely had a duty to acknowledge the point of view of the women who complained of Mr. Ghomeshi’s behavior. " pic.twitter.com/tZIWvbHtQ4— Cara Buckley (@caraNYT) September 24, 2018
“The article was shown to only one male editor. Most members of the staff (including six female members of staff...) were excluded from the substantial editorial process.”— Cara Buckley (@caraNYT) September 24, 2018
New York Review statement on Jian Ghomeshi piece: "usual editorial practices" not followed; Ghomeshi accusers not asked to comment; aspects of piece misleading; Ian Buruma, the former editor, unfairly represented views of staff; his departure not b/c of "Twitter mob," as he said https://t.co/nDDFg6lPZB— Isaac Chotiner (@IChotiner) September 24, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 24 September 2018 22:12 (five years ago) link
it's almost as if there's an epidemic of men in positions of privilege and power who are actively working against women's interests and who by the way have no idea how to do their jobs in the first place
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 24 September 2018 23:27 (five years ago) link
but - SHRILL LAUGH - that would be hyperbolic i'm sure and only some kind of loose cannon leftie would say such a thing
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 24 September 2018 23:29 (five years ago) link
where you say SHRILL LAUGH I only hear https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:DescenteInfinie.ogg
― El Tomboto, Monday, 24 September 2018 23:45 (five years ago) link