anyone know why this story is in the sun and not the guardian?
― ogmor, Monday, 1 October 2018 14:32 (five years ago) link
There was some talk on Twitter that his lawyers have come down pretty heavily on the British media with warnings over how they report this. Not sure how much truth there is in that although that thread does mention something similar.
― groovypanda, Monday, 1 October 2018 16:32 (five years ago) link
This br4d k3rn fella looks like a MF w/ some dark secrets
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/ncis-new-orleans-producer-brad-kern-fired-by-cbs-1148613
― piscesx, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 21:53 (five years ago) link
there's an array of threads on maleness for this tangent
this story about cristiano ronaldo could be huge
http://www.spiegel.de/international/cristiano-ronaldo-kathryn-mayorga-the-woman-who-accuses-ronaldo-of-rape-a-1230634.html
― ogmor, Sunday, September 30, 2018 5:04 AM (three days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
really trivial amount of coverage of this in sports press as far as i can see - i.e. covered broadly enough but not as a big headline anywhere
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 3 October 2018 18:38 (five years ago) link
i think most Americans at least only know him as the douche in that stupid underwear commercial where he is sexually harassed
― Nhex, Wednesday, 3 October 2018 20:10 (five years ago) link
less coverage in north america, which is about the only place he isn't an A list star, is justified. not so much in europe
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 3 October 2018 20:15 (five years ago) link
So I guess it's too late now to consider the bottle-opener possibilities.https://demandnewspaper.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/serie-a---juventus-v-u-s-sassuolo-2.jpg
― how's life, Wednesday, 3 October 2018 20:46 (five years ago) link
The replies to this are predictably depressing
Whatever the legal outcome, this is awful from Juventus: pic.twitter.com/3ZDNkscTdx— Gary Lineker (@GaryLineker) October 5, 2018
― groovypanda, Friday, 5 October 2018 11:00 (five years ago) link
aziz ansari can still fuck off btw. remember when he was pitching himself as mr. guy who gets ithttps://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/aziz-ansaris-new-standup-tour-is-a-cry-against-extreme-wokenessalso master of none was overrated rich kid wank
― maura, Saturday, 6 October 2018 14:08 (five years ago) link
Master of none sucks and is gross
― valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Saturday, 6 October 2018 14:21 (five years ago) link
Not that anyone cares about poetry but this #MeToo issue of the Chicago Review brings together some of the best poétesses writing in English: http://chicagoreview.org/metoo/
― pomenitul, Saturday, 6 October 2018 14:52 (five years ago) link
“poetesses”seriously dude?
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 6 October 2018 15:25 (five years ago) link
Thinking in French, sorry. I dislike the constant use of 'female' in English.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 6 October 2018 15:26 (five years ago) link
just say poet like a human then
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 6 October 2018 15:27 (five years ago) link
But they're all women – and that's part of the point? I'm confused.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 6 October 2018 15:28 (five years ago) link
forget it
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 6 October 2018 15:32 (five years ago) link
Women poets would be the preferred nomenclature
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Saturday, 6 October 2018 15:44 (five years ago) link
I realise that 'poétesse' sounds odd to native English speakers. For what it's worth, I find both 'female poet' and 'woman poet' to be even odder, perhaps because I often parse them as 'a woman who happens to be a poet', whereas the French variant strikes me as 'a poet who happens to be a woman'. Anyhow, my apologies if I offended anyone.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 6 October 2018 15:53 (five years ago) link
Master of None was good, it's disappointing he's on this trip now. Maybe all the credit for the show belongs to Alan Wang.
― akm, Saturday, 6 October 2018 17:34 (five years ago) link
the correct term for girl poet is 'poetette'
― akm, Saturday, 6 October 2018 17:38 (five years ago) link
poette
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 6 October 2018 17:51 (five years ago) link
Perfect.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 6 October 2018 17:54 (five years ago) link
The whole “Louie/Master of None/Atlanta” breathless praise about middlebrow TV *auteurs* reminds me of living through Arcade Fire/Decemberists
― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 6 October 2018 18:41 (five years ago) link
i feel like it's easy to fake out people and turn your perfectly decent and average show a bit prestige with the right presentation and "authorship" at the center
― omar little, Saturday, 6 October 2018 18:47 (five years ago) link
pomenitul most English speakers who don’t like saying “female X” because of how it sounds will say “woman X” if it needs to be made obvious these days. Female-declined nouns are deprecated in most circumstances. Women actors are just “actors” outside of Oscar categories for the most part; hardly anybody would ever say poetess or comedienne or the like unless they were being ironic. The only exception I can think of is “dominatrix”, because nobody calls a male dom a “dominator”
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Saturday, 6 October 2018 18:49 (five years ago) link
it's dominatron, you worm
― j., Saturday, 6 October 2018 18:54 (five years ago) link
Sorry sir
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Saturday, 6 October 2018 18:54 (five years ago) link
god forbid speaking more than language and confusing the two
― groovemaaan, Saturday, 6 October 2018 18:56 (five years ago) link
silby, I get that (see my thought-process above), except for the 'actor' part – I wasn't aware of the backlash against 'actress'. What I don't understand is how in France, for example, you're taught to avoid emphasising what distinguishes you from the Archetypal Faceless French Citizen yet the language itself almost always compels you to specify the subject's gender (except for certain hotly debated instances, such as auteur or écrivain). Whereas in the US, where identity politics is far more prevalent (to say the least), linguistic neutrality is often preferred, even recommended. This is a highly simplified view, of course. Anyway, the two countries should trade languages for a day just to see what happens.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 6 October 2018 19:32 (five years ago) link
― maura, Saturday, 6 October 2018 19:38 (five years ago) link
tbf, everything reminds him of that
― mookieproof, Saturday, 6 October 2018 19:42 (five years ago) link
he’s not wrong in this case though
― maura, Saturday, 6 October 2018 19:44 (five years ago) link
tru
― mookieproof, Saturday, 6 October 2018 19:45 (five years ago) link
The whole “Louie/Master of None" breathless praise about middlebrow TV *auteurs* reminds me of living through Arcade Fire/Decemberists
fixed
― montoya (Ross), Saturday, 6 October 2018 19:53 (five years ago) link
I guess when your language doesn't come with binary grammatical genders, it's easier to conceive of 'poet' as inherently neutral, whereas if you argue that 'poète' is potentially neutral, it's still hard to get past the fact that the grammatical neuter is merely vestigial in modern French (it's essentially indistinguishable from the masculine). If anything, reactionary old coots who hide behind the Académie française to justify their misogyny love bringing up the so-called 'neuter'. So while you can indeed argue that describing a woman poet as a 'poète' is progressive, there's still no reason why you shouldn't be allowed to say 'une poétesse', since 'poète' already forces you to pick between 'un' and 'une' (unless, once again, you assume the masculine and the neuter are one and the same, which is problematic, at least in a French context). English doesn't really have to deal with these dilemmas so it's easier to just subsume it all into neutrality.
xps
― pomenitul, Saturday, 6 October 2018 19:59 (five years ago) link
Also I've never watched Master of None but I agree that Arcade Fire and the Decemberists are (were?) overrated af.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 6 October 2018 20:00 (five years ago) link
I think Louie was important in terms of how it opened up possibilities for TV production models (everything on scale, shot on the cheap, no writer's room to speak of) but in the long run, I think other people will make more durable work with a similar model. (Atlanta is closest I think, though it's more collaborative. )
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Saturday, 6 October 2018 20:28 (five years ago) link
Also it’s rock bands that don’t rock vs comedy shows that aren’t funny(maybe Atlanta is funny, I’ve never seen it)
― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 6 October 2018 20:40 (five years ago) link
Also, don’t get me wrong, Louie obviously had some hilarious parts but it wasn’t always 22 minutes of comedy like Seinfeld or 30 Rock or w/e
― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 6 October 2018 20:42 (five years ago) link
(continuous thread-derailing comment redacted)
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Saturday, 6 October 2018 20:46 (five years ago) link
Atlanta doesn’t deserve to be lumped in with the Decemberists
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Saturday, 6 October 2018 21:01 (five years ago) link
yeah I didn't get Whiney's lumping Atlanta into this pile until
(maybe Atlanta is funny, I’ve never seen it)
― Shy Betting Mega Hit (sic), Saturday, 6 October 2018 21:09 (five years ago) link
Atlanta is absolutely in the Louie continuum, whatever you think about their respective quality
― Number None, Saturday, 6 October 2018 21:16 (five years ago) link
middlebrow tho
― Shy Betting Mega Hit (sic), Saturday, 6 October 2018 21:25 (five years ago) link
people we need to spend the next week discussing whether or not atlanta is (a) funny and/or (b) middlebrow, and also whether it's ok to make those blanket judgments without having seen the show, and WE NEED TO DO IT IN THIS THREAD.
― dub pilates (rushomancy), Saturday, 6 October 2018 22:04 (five years ago) link
Louie and Master of None are 'auteurs' making things about themselves, the continuation of Woody Allen - Atlanta is not in that continuum.
― louise ck (milo z), Saturday, 6 October 2018 22:07 (five years ago) link
atlanta is in a completely different league to those other things, we done here?
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 6 October 2018 23:00 (five years ago) link
Coincidentally right after reading this "poetess" debate I saw a movie in which a minor character was listed in the credits as "clerkess".
― Hans Holbein (Chinchilla Volapük), Sunday, 7 October 2018 08:21 (five years ago) link
a haon, a dó
― Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 7 October 2018 08:51 (five years ago) link
Yeah, 'clerkess' definitely sounds weird, though I kind of like it because a clerk was initially a member of the clergy (hence the doublet 'cleric'), i.e. male by default.
As a side note, the current mayor of Montreal, Valérie Plante, ran campaign ads in which she referred to herself as a 'mairesse' (mayoress). As a general rule, Québécois French is far more willing to feminise job titles than its European counterparts, which is quite telling insofar as Quebec society tends to be more openly feminist as well. With all this in mind, perhaps there should be room to rehabilitate or reclaim terms such as 'poetess' in English (a quick bit of Google-digging reveals that this is already underway in some circles).
― pomenitul, Sunday, 7 October 2018 09:24 (five years ago) link