Weinsteins step down as Miramax CEOs

So I guess it's too late now to consider the bottle-opener possibilities.

https://demandnewspaper.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/serie-a---juventus-v-u-s-sassuolo-2.jpg

The replies to this are predictably depressing

Whatever the legal outcome, this is awful from Juventus: pic.twitter.com/3ZDNkscTdx

— Gary Lineker (@GaryLineker) October 5, 2018

aziz ansari can still fuck off btw. remember when he was pitching himself as mr. guy who gets it

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/aziz-ansaris-new-standup-tour-is-a-cry-against-extreme-wokeness

also master of none was overrated rich kid wank

Master of none sucks and is gross

Not that anyone cares about poetry but this #MeToo issue of the Chicago Review brings together some of the best poétesses writing in English: http://chicagoreview.org/metoo/

“poetesses”

seriously dude?

Thinking in French, sorry. I dislike the constant use of 'female' in English.

just say poet like a human then

But they're all women – and that's part of the point? I'm confused.

forget it

Women poets would be the preferred nomenclature

I realise that 'poétesse' sounds odd to native English speakers. For what it's worth, I find both 'female poet' and 'woman poet' to be even odder, perhaps because I often parse them as 'a woman who happens to be a poet', whereas the French variant strikes me as 'a poet who happens to be a woman'. Anyhow, my apologies if I offended anyone.

Master of None was good, it's disappointing he's on this trip now. Maybe all the credit for the show belongs to Alan Wang.

the correct term for girl poet is 'poetette'

poette

Perfect.

The whole “Louie/Master of None/Atlanta” breathless praise about middlebrow TV *auteurs* reminds me of living through Arcade Fire/Decemberists

i feel like it's easy to fake out people and turn your perfectly decent and average show a bit prestige with the right presentation and "authorship" at the center

pomenitul most English speakers who don’t like saying “female X” because of how it sounds will say “woman X” if it needs to be made obvious these days. Female-declined nouns are deprecated in most circumstances. Women actors are just “actors” outside of Oscar categories for the most part; hardly anybody would ever say poetess or comedienne or the like unless they were being ironic. The only exception I can think of is “dominatrix”, because nobody calls a male dom a “dominator”

it's dominatron, you worm

Sorry sir

god forbid speaking more than language and confusing the two

silby, I get that (see my thought-process above), except for the 'actor' part – I wasn't aware of the backlash against 'actress'. What I don't understand is how in France, for example, you're taught to avoid emphasising what distinguishes you from the Archetypal Faceless French Citizen yet the language itself almost always compels you to specify the subject's gender (except for certain hotly debated instances, such as auteur or écrivain). Whereas in the US, where identity politics is far more prevalent (to say the least), linguistic neutrality is often preferred, even recommended. This is a highly simplified view, of course. Anyway, the two countries should trade languages for a day just to see what happens.

The whole “Louie/Master of None/Atlanta” breathless praise about middlebrow TV *auteurs* reminds me of living through Arcade Fire/Decemberists

tbf, everything reminds him of that

he’s not wrong in this case though

tru

The whole “Louie/Master of None" breathless praise about middlebrow TV *auteurs* reminds me of living through Arcade Fire/Decemberists

fixed

I guess when your language doesn't come with binary grammatical genders, it's easier to conceive of 'poet' as inherently neutral, whereas if you argue that 'poète' is potentially neutral, it's still hard to get past the fact that the grammatical neuter is merely vestigial in modern French (it's essentially indistinguishable from the masculine). If anything, reactionary old coots who hide behind the Académie française to justify their misogyny love bringing up the so-called 'neuter'. So while you can indeed argue that describing a woman poet as a 'poète' is progressive, there's still no reason why you shouldn't be allowed to say 'une poétesse', since 'poète' already forces you to pick between 'un' and 'une' (unless, once again, you assume the masculine and the neuter are one and the same, which is problematic, at least in a French context). English doesn't really have to deal with these dilemmas so it's easier to just subsume it all into neutrality.

xps

Also I've never watched Master of None but I agree that Arcade Fire and the Decemberists are (were?) overrated af.

I think Louie was important in terms of how it opened up possibilities for TV production models (everything on scale, shot on the cheap, no writer's room to speak of) but in the long run, I think other people will make more durable work with a similar model. (Atlanta is closest I think, though it's more collaborative. )

Also it’s rock bands that don’t rock vs comedy shows that aren’t funny

(maybe Atlanta is funny, I’ve never seen it)

Also, don’t get me wrong, Louie obviously had some hilarious parts but it wasn’t always 22 minutes of comedy like Seinfeld or 30 Rock or w/e

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Atlanta doesn’t deserve to be lumped in with the Decemberists

yeah I didn't get Whiney's lumping Atlanta into this pile until

(maybe Atlanta is funny, I’ve never seen it)

Atlanta is absolutely in the Louie continuum, whatever you think about their respective quality

middlebrow tho

people we need to spend the next week discussing whether or not atlanta is (a) funny and/or (b) middlebrow, and also whether it's ok to make those blanket judgments without having seen the show, and WE NEED TO DO IT IN THIS THREAD.

Louie and Master of None are 'auteurs' making things about themselves, the continuation of Woody Allen - Atlanta is not in that continuum.

atlanta is in a completely different league to those other things, we done here?

Coincidentally right after reading this "poetess" debate I saw a movie in which a minor character was listed in the credits as "clerkess".

a haon, a dó

Yeah, 'clerkess' definitely sounds weird, though I kind of like it because a clerk was initially a member of the clergy (hence the doublet 'cleric'), i.e. male by default.

As a side note, the current mayor of Montreal, Valérie Plante, ran campaign ads in which she referred to herself as a 'mairesse' (mayoress). As a general rule, Québécois French is far more willing to feminise job titles than its European counterparts, which is quite telling insofar as Quebec society tends to be more openly feminist as well. With all this in mind, perhaps there should be room to rehabilitate or reclaim terms such as 'poetess' in English (a quick bit of Google-digging reveals that this is already underway in some circles).

Unsurprisingly the Cristiano Ronaldo case has made the Portuguese corners of my facebook timeline hellholes of shit opinions.

oh christ

https://jezebel.com/shitty-media-man-sues-creator-of-shitty-media-men-list-1829694376

considering that his quillette piece was almost immediately followed by numerous women on twitter citing specific instances of his creepiness... this lawsuit is going to have a hell of a discovery phase

yeah, if anything he seemed like one of the most open-and-shut-case assholes on the list

talked with writers recently who know/knew that guy and they said he's a fucking giant asshole douchebag

he's certainly doing his best to give that impression