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My iPod earphones are completely shitting out. Can anyone suggest some relatively cheap (< 50 American Dollars) headphones/earphones that still sound decent?

dan m (OutDatWay), Friday, 22 April 2005 17:47 (twelve years ago) Permalink

"shitting out"? You didn't notice they were tinny pieces of garbage the first time you put them in?

happy fun ball (kenan), Friday, 22 April 2005 17:49 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Koss Porta Pros are good in that price bracket.

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Ed (dali), Friday, 22 April 2005 17:49 (twelve years ago) Permalink

i know this is more than you wanted to spend... but grado sr-60's frequently out-perform headphones 3 and 4 times it's price.


msp (mspa), Friday, 22 April 2005 17:50 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Just get a $20 pair of Sony headphones -- you can probably get them at a drugstore. And they will sound so much better than those Apple bud earphones, you will urinate on yourself.

happy fun ball (kenan), Friday, 22 April 2005 17:50 (twelve years ago) Permalink

sennheiser px 200, $60

fe zaffe (fezaffe), Friday, 22 April 2005 17:51 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Oh, dan, I didn't notice it was you! I can give specific instructions, then: Go to Osco Drug.

happy fun ball (kenan), Friday, 22 April 2005 17:52 (twelve years ago) Permalink

i must second the Koss Porta Pro, they sound very full and complete and are quite comfortable. they get poor marks for "80s looking design" but that is another big plus of course.

i yanked the cord on mine on a door and now they don't work. anyone have any experience with their full guarantee thing?

g e o f f (gcannon), Friday, 22 April 2005 17:56 (twelve years ago) Permalink

While we're on the subject of headphones. My boss just bought these. They are some of the best headphones I've heard and they don't fall out of my ears. I want some.

Ed (dali), Friday, 22 April 2005 18:05 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Oh I knew they were tinny pieces of shit. But now they're tinny pieces of shit that are all staticy and the right one doesn't work a third of the time.

To Osco I will go!

dan m (OutDatWay), Friday, 22 April 2005 18:08 (twelve years ago) Permalink is like the ILX of headphones.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 22 April 2005 18:49 (twelve years ago) Permalink

One thing to remember is that some of the recommended phones are "open" and people around you will be able to hear what you're listening to (which may be annoying for them).

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 22 April 2005 18:58 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Sony Budokans.

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Friday, 22 April 2005 19:02 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I got these for being in a friend's wedding and they are so wonderful they make me weep.

J (Jay), Friday, 22 April 2005 19:03 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I've had Koss PortaPro's and Grado SR-60's and recommend both whole-heartedly. There's a lot of threads on ILX and ILM about headphones already, so you might want to search the archives.

stephen morris (stephen morris), Friday, 22 April 2005 19:35 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I also use and endorse Sennheiser PXC 300s. Jesus! They're a lot more expensive in the USA!

snotty moore, Friday, 22 April 2005 19:52 (twelve years ago) Permalink

This thread should somehoe meld with the contraceptive thread.

happy fun ball (kenan), Friday, 22 April 2005 20:01 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I like my PortaPros. They are about to be sent in for fixing though, after 4 years of use and serious abuse - the right side doesn't work for some reason. I bought some mediocre Sony somethings that don't totally suck and were only $20 and do not hurt or fall out of my ears. It takes a while to get the PortaPros back from the fixing place, I'm told...

I'd like to think the Etymotic earplugs are like ear diaphragms, Kenan. Lube 'em up and you're good to go for hours, mang.

rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Friday, 22 April 2005 21:17 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I like my sony mdr ex71. Very comfortable and seal off the outside world. They usually run around $40.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Friday, 22 April 2005 21:30 (twelve years ago) Permalink

my friend was just ranting about those sennheisers fe zaffe linked to today! in fact i even tried them out. they sounded pretty dece.

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 22 April 2005 22:39 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Sony Mdr EX71s seconded - great sound and comfort for the price.

Bill A (Bill A), Monday, 25 April 2005 07:46 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I sent my Koss PortaPros in for repairs, and I was shocked at how fast they came back - like 2 weeks or so.

The Yellow Kid, Monday, 25 April 2005 22:46 (twelve years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...
koss portapros!

cozen (Cozen), Friday, 13 May 2005 08:17 (twelve years ago) Permalink

the portapros are great, aren't they? although i'm not sure i'll use mine much now that i have the etymotic er-6is, it's hard to get used to hearing background noise again.

toby (tsg20), Friday, 13 May 2005 08:37 (twelve years ago) Permalink

they really are great, I never realised how monstrous this vitalic album actually is.

cozen (Cozen), Friday, 13 May 2005 08:40 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Sennheiser PX100s. Almost everyone who has used mine for fie minutes has then bought their own pair.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 13 May 2005 14:13 (twelve years ago) Permalink

yeah most Sennheisers are pretty great

()ops (()()ps), Friday, 13 May 2005 15:00 (twelve years ago) Permalink

My PX200s are excellent, but a tip: don't buy them if yr bald, as they look really dumb.

Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 13 May 2005 15:06 (twelve years ago) Permalink

g e o f f, did you ever try to see if your consumer negligence fell under the koss lifetime guarantee thing?

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 13 May 2005 16:04 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I'm not g e o f f, but that's almost exactly how I broke mine, and it was no problem at all.

The Yellow Kid, Friday, 13 May 2005 17:36 (twelve years ago) Permalink


Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 13 May 2005 17:59 (twelve years ago) Permalink

four months pass...
does anyone know of any online shops who'll ship me a pair of koss pro4aa?

I want some for home listening but I can't find anywhere to ship them to me

: /

cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 15 September 2005 09:29 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Didn't you just buy some? Have you got mugged or something?

Alba (Alba), Thursday, 15 September 2005 09:56 (twelve years ago) Permalink

"for home listening"

I bought a pair of koss porta-pros which are great but I want a pair of those big bulky ones for lounging about at home; the porta-pros are spindly, and dig into my neck when I'm lying down

cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 15 September 2005 17:46 (twelve years ago) Permalink

four months pass...
any UK ilxers know where I send my koss portapros within the UK to be repaired under their unlimited lifetime warranty? the koss website says to my nearest authorised dealer but I can't find tht information online

anyone have any experience?

cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 20:27 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Surely the place you bought them from is legally obliged to deal with it?

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 20:39 (twelve years ago) Permalink

a friend bought them for me : /

I think she bought them from amazon

cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 20:40 (twelve years ago) Permalink

anyway I e-mailed koss so we'll see...

cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 20:41 (twelve years ago) Permalink

the sony 71s were great but the cord just came apart like silly putty eventually, which is what the amazon customer reviews warned me of. now i just got some portapros and they're rilly awesome -- the bass response isn't what i'd like, but i prefer open-ear anyway, since it lets me hear my boss come up behind me, a car honk and tell me it's gonna run me over, etc.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 20:55 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I'm just about to buy some Ultimate Ears Super.Fi 5 Pros. I'm excited.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 20:56 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I believe Koss fixes them themselves, no proof of purchase or anything like that required.

Dan I., Wednesday, 8 February 2006 22:02 (twelve years ago) Permalink


Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 22:09 (twelve years ago) Permalink

five months pass...
Another endorsement for the Sennheisers. I'm on my second pair -- the first pair was the standard $20 back-of-the-head model. They sounded great, but were none too durable. Which is to say, I broke them.

I picked up the HD20s first, because they were huge earmuffs and because they said on the package, "Perfect for DJs." Well, if they're good enough for DJs... actually, that didn't work. DJs have different needs than I do, apparently. The highs are tinny, the mid-range is muddy, and the bass is ri-freakin-diculous. It's boomy and with wayyyy too much sustain. Real crap for everyday listening. Avoid.

So I brought those back to the store and ended up with the PXC150s, and they sound BEAUTIFUL. Balanced, crisp, and the noise cancelling works wonders. (I'm afraid I'm setting myself up for being hit by a car.) Of course this means that I have an extra piece to my portable audio setup now -- the battery pack -- but I spend so much time with headphones on and they sound so great it's totally worth it to look like a bit of a dork wearing a belt clip.

Tab Hunter loves to take his shirt off (kenan), Saturday, 5 August 2006 00:07 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i was thinking about getting senn px 200s last week, but they're proving hard to find. was recommended audio technica's ath-se5s (i think that's the model), but they tried to jump off my head.

s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 5 August 2006 06:23 (eleven years ago) Permalink

there is no way i would ever buy headphones that required a battery pack. that would annoy me WAY too much.

s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 5 August 2006 06:24 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Upside: iPod batteries last much longer. Downside: AAA batteries. I'll have to get a charger that fits them.

Tab Hunter loves to take his shirt off (kenan), Sunday, 6 August 2006 18:18 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I love my PX200s, but sometimes I want to just take in-ear phones around with me.

Just ordered some CX300s for that.

Alba (Alba), Sunday, 6 August 2006 18:25 (eleven years ago) Permalink

one month passes...
My daughter is thinking about getting some noise-cancelling headphones because she has a noisy roommate. (Constant TV + 4-hr. calls to boyfriend.) I suggested the Sennheiser PCX-250s mentioned on an ILM headphones thread to her, but I also found these:

Plane Quiet NC6
Has anybody had any experience with Plane Quiet headphones? Recommendations yea or nay?

Danny Aioli (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 9 September 2006 01:03 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I think they only cance out constant noise like the hum in a plane, constant chit-chat may be a problem, unless of course she's a boring droner.

Might nbe better to get in ear ones that will block out the noise physically.

I just bought some Shure E2Cs and on the short run out they've had so far they're absolutely fantastic and a mile better than the sonys I've just replaced which I thought were pretty good in the first place but kept losing the sleeve (including once in my ear canal - resluting in some worried rummaging while walking along a tube corridor)

Porkpie (porkpie), Saturday, 16 September 2006 12:38 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i work in a pretty noisy office and got a pair of bose qc35 headphones a couple of months ago, and the noise-cancelling is revelatory

the quality and quantity of my office-hours posting to ilx has improved considerably now i'm less distracted by work

The Patricia Routledge Meatspin Gif Has Made You Gay (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 15 May 2017 09:50 (nine months ago) Permalink


illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 15 May 2017 09:59 (nine months ago) Permalink

I found the sony's more comfortable because they had bigger cups but they are bulkier than the BOSE ones. Can't really comment on the noise cancelling comparison.

FWIW my sister really rates the cheaper MDR100ABNs

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 15 May 2017 10:03 (nine months ago) Permalink

this isn't exactly the thread for it but one of my two living Sansa Clip +'s died yesterday :(

― gimmesomehawnz (Jon not Jon)

yeah also not on the thread topic but since my last hard drive-based ipod died i've been up shit creek when it comes to my music library and portable listening. i'd really like something with a good dac to listen to on my commute, but everything i look at has a total shit ui. "oh, you should check this out it's really good but it won't read the id3 tags on half your files". really? is that where we're at on 2017? fuck that. also they tend not to do well with large collections (more than 10,000 songs), which is, like, my entire reason for wanting this, as i'm not the sort of audiophile who will just listen to 24-bit flacs of steely dan albums and nothing else in perpetuity. is there any hope for me, or do i need to keep half-assing it on my cellphone?

Cyborg Kickboxer (rushomancy), Thursday, 18 May 2017 02:24 (nine months ago) Permalink

get your dead iPod refurbed with a 512 GB SSD drive? I have one iPod 160 in fine shape and a second that has hd problems and I hope to do this sometime this year with the crappy one.

fish louse (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 18 May 2017 03:23 (nine months ago) Permalink

everything i look at has a total shit ui. "oh, you should check this out it's really good but it won't read the id3 tags on half your files". really? is that where we're at on 2017? fuck that. also they tend not to do well with large collections

Look for a rockbox compatible dap, that will take care of all your software nags. Unfortunately afaik there are no models still in production, only used/refurb units:

Actually, there's the new agptek rocker but the port's still a work-in-progresss:,51653.15.html

chihuahuau, Thursday, 18 May 2017 10:26 (nine months ago) Permalink

get your dead iPod refurbed with a 512 GB SSD drive? I have one iPod 160 in fine shape and a second that has hd problems and I hope to do this sometime this year with the crappy one.

― fish louse (Jon not Jon)

i've been thinking about it, but i don't know how reliable those things are, and every time i go looking on ebay the price has gone up a couple hundred bucks.

i don't know why there's no like legit licensed rockbox on some of these things. god knows the smaller companies aren't getting anywhere by building their own software.

although i see now that people are outright selling services so i might, might, might consider it, particularly since for some godforsaken reason i'm still using itunes for my library.

Cyborg Kickboxer (rushomancy), Thursday, 18 May 2017 20:23 (nine months ago) Permalink

yeah if I do it it's gonna be the guy on eBay who has an excellent star rating and you send him your iPod classic and he puts a huge SSD in it and sends it back. It's not cheap compared to DIYing it but I am extremely non-handy. TBRR I am dreaming of the 1TB drive service even though that's like 700 bucks. I could finally have my classical, film score, rock, weird shit and jazz libraries on one device!

fish louse (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 18 May 2017 20:36 (nine months ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

anyone got wireless earbuds? having got wireless headphones i feel ready for these.

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Friday, 2 June 2017 13:46 (eight months ago) Permalink

i love my airpods. i never use anything else.

Mordy, Friday, 2 June 2017 13:55 (eight months ago) Permalink

I don't know how I would get them to stay in my ears, the best I can do with other earbuds is use those shure triple flange tips and cut off the smallest flange; even then I have to re-screw them into my weird ear holes every few minutes

or at night (Jon not Jon), Friday, 2 June 2017 15:55 (eight months ago) Permalink

Put foam pads on them! That'll make em bigger and increase the friction

calstars, Friday, 2 June 2017 18:11 (eight months ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

Last day for the Massdrop x AKG K553 Pro, $110. That's a pretty good deal, usually are more like 150 on Amazon.

Also currently available, Massdrop x Fostex T-X0 Planar, $150. One of the most popular headphones for hobbyists who modify them, both MrSpeakers and ZMF got started by modding those.

HiFiMAN marked down their HE400i Planar from $449 to $249. I'm guessing they're clearing stock to get ready for a new model.

Fastnbulbous, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 20:32 (seven months ago) Permalink

Also Sennheiser HD 6XX drop starts Monday. Last time it sold out in a few minutes, so they figured they might as well up the price to $249 (it's around $315 in general market).

Fastnbulbous, Thursday, 22 June 2017 16:48 (seven months ago) Permalink

Are any of those Bluetooth?

calstars, Thursday, 22 June 2017 19:45 (seven months ago) Permalink

Of course not. Due to limited bandwidth, there's no point in getting any fancier than the current bluetooth models of Bose and Sennheiser, if that's important to you.

Fastnbulbous, Monday, 26 June 2017 20:05 (seven months ago) Permalink

Wow, 8 hrs to go with Sennheiser HD 6XX drop and they dropped the price to $199. Very tempted, hrm.

Fastnbulbous, Wednesday, 28 June 2017 22:48 (seven months ago) Permalink

ooh nice, thx for the heads up. just ordered.

down that brown path (Spottie), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 23:29 (seven months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

ok i splurged on Sennheiser HD 598 cs. these are pretty great, imo

1) so so comfortable.
2) sound quality is righteous, great separation, wider "sound stage" than other closed ear cans i've used.

brimstead, Friday, 28 July 2017 23:05 (six months ago) Permalink

nice. getting new cans is the best.

Spottie, Friday, 28 July 2017 23:14 (six months ago) Permalink

Happy with my B&O H6 but feel like their days are numbered cuz they're wired. Not sure whether to bite the biker and get some wireless HPs or maybe stick around with a "dongle" whenever I upgrade to latest iPhone later this year

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Saturday, 29 July 2017 15:12 (six months ago) Permalink

My my b-day a couple weeks back I got a used pair of HifiMAN HE-6, and love them. They are much more comfortable than the Audeze LCD-2.2 I had, and also less dark, at least when driven by my iFi iCAN Pro.

Coincidentally Massdrop just debuted a new collaboration with HifiMAN, the HE-4XX for $170. Great deal.

Fastnbulbous, Thursday, 3 August 2017 15:44 (six months ago) Permalink

are planar magnetic headphones really dropping in price that much? seeing them below $200 seems crazy

mh, Thursday, 3 August 2017 15:46 (six months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Got these Philips SHP9500S after reading a bunch of stuff how they were a Sennheiser "killer"...they compare pretty favorably to any SH in the 500 model number range, not sure about 600s...

If anything I think I prefer them to the low end of Grado, I'd say they sound as good (a little less bright) but FAAAAAAR more comfortable, in fact they are super comfortable and well this price ($50), I can't imagine anything else comes close to the value for money...

(note: they are SUPER open, perhaps even leakier than Grados if that's even possible)

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 19:59 (four months ago) Permalink

def like these more than the sub-$100 AKGs that people recommend a lot too

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 20:00 (four months ago) Permalink

(AKG K240s)

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 20:00 (four months ago) Permalink

could you recommend something like that, but closed/over-ear?

Nhex, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 20:15 (four months ago) Permalink

yeha ive been looking at those xps but pulled the plug on the HD6XX so i guess i have to wait til those show up in december to see if i like them or not.

Spottie, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 20:27 (four months ago) Permalink

i'd doubt the philips will beat the HD6XX but I also bet the HD6XX isn't four times better either

nhex - these are on sale at sennheiser, closed for $50, not the most awe inspiring headphone but solid for the price and a good all arounder esp if you need isolation

but for $20 more you could get the Sony MDR 7506 and, honestly, probably be satisfied for years to come. I've never owned a pair but used them in professional, radio and studio settings and they are in almost every studio or radio station in the world for a reason and are very comfortable, well built, sound great for closed back and will last.

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 20:34 (four months ago) Permalink

oops $30 more actually, $80

still a hall of fame headphone in the sub 100 space with Grados, AKGs etc

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 20:36 (four months ago) Permalink

thx UMS, will look into those

Nhex, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 20:51 (four months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

bought two pairs of these sony xb650s on special, had to get one pair replaced once, the other pair replaced twice (and got a refund), each with a different fault. the last pair even had dust in the box. maybe they're half price because they're all fucking broken.

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 10 November 2017 08:34 (three months ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

These seem like a good deal and I love sennheisers. OTOH they're fucking ugly.

IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Friday, 1 December 2017 00:02 (two months ago) Permalink

just got mine in the mail a couple weeks back! they are not ugly!

competitive shooter - - - - (Spottie), Friday, 1 December 2017 00:03 (two months ago) Permalink

Hm I want those.

harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Friday, 1 December 2017 00:22 (two months ago) Permalink

Just bought my fourth or fifth pair of Sony MDR-ZX600s. I replace them when the leather ear coverings start to fray, which happens after about two years of daily use.

grawlix (unperson), Friday, 1 December 2017 01:02 (two months ago) Permalink

how much are the Senns?

Nhex, Friday, 1 December 2017 01:29 (two months ago) Permalink


competitive shooter - - - - (Spottie), Friday, 1 December 2017 02:04 (two months ago) Permalink

thx. still a bit too much for me to impulse buy

Nhex, Friday, 1 December 2017 04:50 (two months ago) Permalink

yeah I'm also not buying them because I just bought a $300 condenser mic and a sound shield and a new pair of shoes.

IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Friday, 1 December 2017 07:20 (two months ago) Permalink

are you sneaking up on someone

attention vampire (MatthewK), Friday, 1 December 2017 09:47 (two months ago) Permalink

In the other headphone reccomendation thread I mentioned wanting the LZ-A4 hybrid iem. It was on massdrop and I got it for around $180 I think. I love it.

Oddly, the things people worry about with getting iems over headphones weren’t a problem for me. I’m very happy with the amount of bass and the wonderful soundstage. I don’t need complete noise cancelattion and this won’t give you that.

My only minr grievances are that the very high end isn’t as detailed as I would like it to be and the blue interchangeable tips that expand the high end frequency range seem like they may be nerfing other frequencies. (The default black-front/black-back ended up being my favorite combo of the highly customizable attachment pieces).

Woon... Doopee Time (FlopsyDuck), Friday, 1 December 2017 13:13 (two months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

I wound up buying the Sennheiser 6xx's back in December through MassDrop. Turns out they don't ship til the end of March, which is kind of annoying. But I guess they're like $100-200 cheaper than comparable headphones so w/e.

IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Thursday, 18 January 2018 23:08 (one month ago) Permalink

worth it! i waited 4 months i think.

Spottie, Thursday, 18 January 2018 23:14 (one month ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

i have had a mid range hi-fi set up for a few years now, and love it, however, i have to be careful when the booze flows not to piss off the neighbours.
i have never really sorted out some decent headphones for myself - just some old shabby £20 sony set i have had for years.
well, last week a non-audio geek friend gave me some new ones for my birthday.
ok, i suspect they dont tick any boxes for audiophiles, but damn, they are gorgeous to listen to.
rediscovering orbital via these is an absolute revelation.

oh, and they are made of wood !,-HiFi-Wooden-Headset-with-Comfortable-Ear-Cushion-and-Unique-Wood-Grain,-SV005-Walnut-Wood-496928305.jpg

mark e, Thursday, 8 February 2018 19:54 (one week ago) Permalink

what brand?. they are nice looking

It's not delivery, it's Adorno! (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 8 February 2018 20:14 (one week ago) Permalink

my friend did some research, and thought that these were in her budget and would sort me out.
she was absolutely spot on.
open (not a fan of closed), and comfortable, and sound really good.
now i cannot compare to others as i have been starved of such devices,
but i picked up some midlevel Sony sets for mk1 a couple of years back and the bass was far too intense for me and my ears hurt after 5 mins.

mark e, Thursday, 8 February 2018 20:22 (one week ago) Permalink

yeah open's the way to go

Winter. Dickens. Yes. (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 8 February 2018 21:02 (one week ago) Permalink

I have these ones (from when they were branded as MB Quart), and they sound great, and are completely indestructible):

Great for DJs or working musicians who want quality and toughness.

DJI, Friday, 9 February 2018 18:32 (one week ago) Permalink

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