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North Korea: Bush is ``half-baked hooligan bereft of any personality as a human being . . . and a Philistine whom we can never deal with.’’

Pyongyang's state-run news agency responded over the weekend with a quote from an unnamed ministry spokesman calling Mr. Bush a "dictator," a "cowboy" and a "half-baked man in terms of morality.”

I know they're shadowy Stalinists or whatnot, but they sure keep brinksmanship colorful.

andy --, Monday, 2 May 2005 21:39 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

that thing in the new yorker a few weeks back about n. korea kidnapping a director so big kim could make godzilla movies made me fall in love with them all over again

strng hlkngtn, Monday, 2 May 2005 21:42 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Stalinist North Korea has stepped up its campaign against long hair and untidy attire which its media says represents a "corrupt capitalist" lifestyle, reports said.

North Korean state television, radio and newspapers have led the grooming drive, urging people to cut their hair short and to dress tidily, the BBC said in a dispatch citing broadcasts from Pyongyang.

Men were asked to have crew cuts with hair growing up to five centimeters (two inches) in a twice-a-month visit to the barber, it said.

http://secure.designerz.com/news-image.php?i=shared/lifestyle/SGE.AAB65.090105183816.photo00.quicklook.default-185x245.jpg
A North Korean soldier combs his hair at the truce village of Panmunjom

Not only health and hygiene but also intelligence was cited by the North Korean media as reasons for the crackdown on appearance.

Pyongyang television noted long hair "consumes a great deal of nutrition" and could thus rob the brain of energy, according to the BBC.

But another serious reason came from state radio which said tidy attire "is important in repelling the enemies' maneuvers to infiltrate corrupt capitalist ideas and lifestyle" in North Korea, it said.

The ruling communist party newspaper, Rodong Sinmun, even warned inappropriate appearance under foreign influence could lead to national decay.

"People who wear other's style of dress and live in other's style will become fools and that nation will come to ruin," Rodong was cited as saying.

Some North Korean TV broadcasts adopted a hidden-camera style video of longhaired men on various locations throughout Pyongyang in an unprecedented break with their usual approach.

andy --, Monday, 2 May 2005 21:50 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

man, you gotta wonder just what is *really* going on over there, what daily life is like, etc. so bizarre.

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 2 May 2005 21:52 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

There's a really great book I read recently on North Korea, let me dig up the info when I can (gotta catch my bus now, though).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 2 May 2005 22:00 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

In the meantime, Tombot to thread.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 2 May 2005 22:00 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Ned's catching a bus... to a North Korean penitentiary!

donut debonair (donut), Monday, 2 May 2005 22:02 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

sorry, but when Ned said he had to catch a bus I pictured him saying it at the top of his lungs in a Barney Gumble voice while wearing mismatched shoes and an oversized Tweety t-shirt.

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 2 May 2005 22:06 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

nighty night!

g e o f f (gcannon), Monday, 2 May 2005 22:08 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

it's not so hard to figure out what daily life is like! it's sort of like living in a cold dark country where the state makes you get your fucking hair cut and also you're starving.

g e o f f (gcannon), Monday, 2 May 2005 22:15 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

It looks like S. Korea is wasting power, while N Korea is conserving natural resources, for Mother Earth's sake.

andy --, Monday, 2 May 2005 22:18 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"it's not so hard to figure out what daily life is like! it's sort of like living in a cold dark country where the state makes you get your fucking hair cut and also you're starving. "

so we're told, but that's bound to be a generalization, and doesn't get at how such a society sustains itself or functions internally - what do people do all day? is everyone starving to death except for some narrow upper-class echelon of rulers? if things are so horrible, why don't the people rebel? is there any resistance at all, any underground, black market? what is holding everything in place, etc.?

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 2 May 2005 22:21 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

what is holding everything in place, etc.?

umm....the blood of the proletariat? Guns?

giboyeux (skowly), Monday, 2 May 2005 22:23 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Holy shit their official site is the slowest I've seen in years:
http://www.korea-dpr.com/

But it does have an esperanto section, unlike KFC's.

andy --, Monday, 2 May 2005 22:23 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I really do think that N. Korea is probably one of those places where it really IS as bad as you might think.

giboyeux (skowly), Monday, 2 May 2005 22:23 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

yeah, but we don't know. it's just a black hole. the fact that information is so tightly controlled, and that what does actually get out is so goddamned weird and preposterous, means we're left projecting our own fears and assumptions on them... we don't *really* know what's going.

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 2 May 2005 22:25 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

yeah, but we don't know. it's just a black hole. the fact that information is so tightly controlled, and that what does actually get out is so goddamned weird and preposterous, means we're left projecting our own fears and assumptions on them... we don't *really* know what's going on.

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 2 May 2005 22:25 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

asiatimes reported there was a riot at a world cup qualifier recently, the police were powerless. first civil disobedience in decades.

g e o f f (gcannon), Monday, 2 May 2005 22:25 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

http://www.korea-dpr.com/index_r1_c1.jpg

Hurting (Hurting), Monday, 2 May 2005 22:27 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

x-post Shaky

Oh absolutely. I still think that--unlike the USSR or China--shit is really, really bad in N. Korea. Someone already linked through this article (the nighttime pic), but it's still worth reading.

giboyeux (skowly), Monday, 2 May 2005 22:28 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

that thing in the new yorker a few weeks back about n. korea kidnapping a director so big kim could make godzilla movies made me fall in love with them all over again

you only just now found out about this, strongo?!?

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 2 May 2005 22:29 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

It's funny how we were able to get a rover on Mars before we were able to get a photo of evidence of dissent in North Korea.

donut debonair (donut), Monday, 2 May 2005 22:29 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

haha - that's awesome. Soccer, the people's sport, the great leveller...

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 2 May 2005 22:29 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

An oldie, but a goodie about life on the north side.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Monday, 2 May 2005 22:34 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Well, didn't some American defector finally leave to South Korea? Like his wife was kidnapped from the South and the North finally granted them permission to emigrate? The US was interested in pressing charges against the guy, but it'd be cool to hear from him how shit really is.

andy --, Monday, 2 May 2005 22:34 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Korea/GD19Dg01.html

g e o f f (gcannon), Monday, 2 May 2005 22:38 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Does anyone have images of soccer riots?

A homunculus of Darby Crash, .... created for the purposes of *EVIL* (ex machina, Monday, 2 May 2005 22:39 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

the written word is a tool of the imperialist wolves, cast it away or the nation shall rot.

g e o f f (gcannon), Monday, 2 May 2005 22:59 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

we don't *really* know what's going on.

i don't think that's *completely* true. a number of journalists have managed to get in and get some information out despite having to be herded around by government "translators."

i sort of imagine there not being any public dissent, at all. as for private dissent, well... i get the sense that the people of north korea have been fed a very strict regimen of limited info for over 50 years and thus don't really have much sense of the outside world, or other ideologies they could counterpose to that of their nation's. so if there is private dissent i'm guessing it takes a weird intra-ideological form that we wouldn't recognize or be very happy with.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 00:35 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

the people of north korea totally need to pitch in and get a new server.

mark p (Mark P), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 01:19 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Well, didn't some American defector finally leave to South Korea? Like his wife was kidnapped from the South and the North finally granted them permission to emigrate? The US was interested in pressing charges against the guy, but it'd be cool to hear from him how shit really is.

He left to Japan. His wife was kidnapped from Japan in the 1970s along with about a dozen others. She came from a town next to the Japan Sea, and she was abducted by North Korean agents and whisked back to North Korea. It's another completely bizarre episode.

The American was in the army serving in South Korea in the 1960s. He claims that he was afraid of being sent to Vietnam, so defected to the North. The U.S. army convicted him of dissertion a few months ago, and he served a very lenient sentence that was like community service.

He did an interview with Japanese TV and described his life in North Korea in general terms. His most memorable quote was saying, "I lived like a dog." He also blasted the North Korean government for all the obvious reasons.

supercub, Tuesday, 3 May 2005 01:19 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

why can I not figure out italics in HTML? Somebody please help me.

supercub, Tuesday, 3 May 2005 01:20 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

it's a tricky one. you have to use i. a good way to remember this is by remembering that the first four letters of 'italics' and 'italy' and interchangeable, and interchangeable starts with i.

mark p (Mark P), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 01:26 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

like ithis?

supercub, Tuesday, 3 May 2005 01:28 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

hahaha! I'm such an idiot!

supercub, Tuesday, 3 May 2005 01:28 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

iidiot

(ok, I'll stop now)

supercub, Tuesday, 3 May 2005 01:29 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i'm kind of amazed that you even attempted that.

mark p (Mark P), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 01:30 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Yeah, so am ii.

supercub, Tuesday, 3 May 2005 01:30 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Look, I'm smart

supercub, Tuesday, 3 May 2005 01:33 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

There was an in depth article in Harpers a year or two ago worth finding, really brutal eye-opening stuff. And the New Yorker had that segment about the director, but I think there was a more complete article some time ago? One thing I remember reading is that it is of course impossible to stop radio transmissions coming over the border from South Korea, but most North Koreans have been taught that what they are receiving are all lies, capitalist propaganda.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 01:45 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Actually, although it is impossible to completely stop radio transmissions from South Korea, I believe that all radios sold (legally) in South Korea are required to be specially equipped to receive only the state frequency.

Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 02:14 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Actually, although it is impossible to completely stop radio transmissions from South Korea, I believe that all radios sold (legally) in North Korea are required to be specially equipped to receive only the state frequency.

Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 02:14 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

It is a great thread title, and another grasshopper thing.

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 02:33 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1111/is_1830_305/ai_94044069

I assume this is the Harper's piece mentioned upthread. It's a pretty hard read.

Daniel Cohen (dayan), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 08:36 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

five months pass...
http://www.metroblogging.com/NKDelegation2005.swf

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 17:07 (twelve years ago) Permalink

http://www.korea-dpr.com/kfa2006/KFADELEGATION05.wmv also good.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 17:11 (twelve years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

http://www.jonhs.net/freemovies/welcome_to_north_korea.htm

This is good - it's from 2001 so some may have already seen it.

Hurting 2, Monday, 16 July 2007 03:33 (ten years ago) Permalink

also good:

http://www.yhchang.com/CUNNILINGUS_IN_NORTH_KOREA.html

c sharp major, Monday, 16 July 2007 11:36 (ten years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

N. Korea Says It Is Holding Reporters

SEOUL, South Korea — North Korea confirmed Saturday that it had detained two American journalists on charges of “illegally intruding” into the North through its border with China.

The journalists, Laura Ling, a Chinese-American, and Euna Lee, a Korean-American, both working for Current TV, were on a reporting trip along the border when they were detained by North Korean border guards, according to human rights activists and a South Korean news report. Their colleague, Mitch Koss, and their Chinese guide were reported to have been detained by Chinese border guards.

“A competent organ is now investigating the case,” the North’s official news agency, KCNA, said.

skamokawa WA (jergins), Saturday, 21 March 2009 19:30 (nine years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

I haven’t been following this closely, but where does he get the idea they’ve agreed to denuclearization? Is there any grain of truth around which he’s built this claim? Stop question I know, but hey

tobo73, Monday, 23 April 2018 02:01 (two months ago) Permalink

Not sure if he’s basing that on the fact that South Korean officials have said KJU told them denuclearization was on the table as far as the NK-US summit goes (but that doesn’t seem to align with North Korea’s more recent statement) or if he is drawing that conclusion purely based on their announcement of testing stoppage.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Monday, 23 April 2018 15:52 (two months ago) Permalink

yea if I didn't know better I'd say Trump is getting played here

frogbs, Monday, 23 April 2018 15:53 (two months ago) Permalink

he doesn't even know what is going on in the first place. he's the guy at the football game who thinks touchdowns are worth 4 points

"Wow, we haven’t given up anything & they have agreed to denuclearization (so great for World), site closure, & no more testing!" - Trump

In a declaration over the weekend that North Korea would suspend nuclear and missile tests, Mr. Kim spoke as if the North was already a nuclear power, and no longer needed weapons tests, a direct challenge to the Trump administration’s stated goal of denuclearization. Washington has declared that the coming negotiations are about getting rid of the arsenal.

Karl Malone, Monday, 23 April 2018 16:14 (two months ago) Permalink

i'd be hopeful that perhaps he could just shut up and that there would be at least ONE U.S. diplomat/State employee who could help drive this toward peace, but he just fired everyone and replaced them with fucking john bolton and mike pompeo

Karl Malone, Monday, 23 April 2018 16:16 (two months ago) Permalink

NK's gonna release those three prisoners, keep their nukes and trumps gonna demand the nobel peace prize and get all mad that the fake news media isn't sucking his dick well enough

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 23 April 2018 16:26 (two months ago) Permalink

I’d like to see him get mad about not getting credit for finding a way out of a crisis he created himself.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Monday, 23 April 2018 17:33 (two months ago) Permalink

Pretty much every crisis Donald Trump finds himself in is created at least in part by Donald Trump.

Across the You Never Her (Old Lunch), Monday, 23 April 2018 17:40 (two months ago) Permalink

Um ... I guess Kim Jong-un is in South Korea right now?

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 27 April 2018 00:42 (one month ago) Permalink

and for a few seconds, Moon Jae-in was in North Korea. that was a nice gesture on both sides.

Karl Malone, Friday, 27 April 2018 03:51 (one month ago) Permalink

Apparently, a lot of nice gestures are planned to be exchanged during this state visit. Not too sure about the substance beyond that, but then the gestures over the past several decades have rarely been nice ones, so this looks like progress.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 27 April 2018 04:16 (one month ago) Permalink

JUST IN: Kim Jong Un becomes first North Korean leader to cross line dividing the two Koreas since fighting ended in the Korean War https://t.co/l4sg0jXwdm pic.twitter.com/At5zVj9w2V

— CNN International (@cnni) April 27, 2018

Karl Malone, Friday, 27 April 2018 04:32 (one month ago) Permalink

Formal end to Korean War will be declared later this year, 65 years after hostilities ceased, North and South Korean leaders agree https://t.co/W6skDX9a7q

— CNN Breaking News (@cnnbrk) April 27, 2018

abcfsk, Friday, 27 April 2018 09:10 (one month ago) Permalink

trump is gonna get the nobel peace prize isn't he

Mahogany Loggins (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 27 April 2018 09:12 (one month ago) Permalink

I mean, he might get to share it with the actual Koreans?

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 27 April 2018 09:14 (one month ago) Permalink

A peace prize may come from this but not with Trump

abcfsk, Friday, 27 April 2018 09:16 (one month ago) Permalink

This "too good to be true"/180 degrees change of direction is weird to say the least.

Hope i'm wrong but i think nothing will come out of it except passing the time,which is probably Kims goal here to start with

nostormo, Friday, 27 April 2018 10:05 (one month ago) Permalink

that pic!

calzino, Friday, 27 April 2018 10:06 (one month ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

If this plays out the way it's been going, I can totally see South Korea's guy getting the Nobel Prize, and Trump getting ignored, then throwing a fit.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 12 May 2018 16:31 (one month ago) Permalink

the nobel peace prize means nothing. give it to trump wgaf.

Mordy, Saturday, 12 May 2018 16:53 (one month ago) Permalink

igaf

21st savagery fox (m bison), Saturday, 12 May 2018 16:55 (one month ago) Permalink

it will be funny when kim jong un gets it

while my dirk gently weeps (symsymsym), Saturday, 12 May 2018 17:03 (one month ago) Permalink

The Nobel Peace Prize may mean nothing, but it would mean something if it was given to Trump or Chairman Un, in the worst way.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 12 May 2018 18:09 (one month ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WE6KipuuYJc

F# A# (∞), Sunday, 13 May 2018 17:21 (one month ago) Permalink

Extremely good thread from @mhanham https://t.co/EKHiKjZx2d

— Elizabeth Saunders (@ProfSaunders) May 17, 2018

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 17 May 2018 19:28 (one month ago) Permalink

Which is only to say that NK will continue to work on whatever rocketry & nuke miniaturization problems it encountered in their most recent tests, so as to be ready to test new and improved generations of nuclear-equipped ICBMs when the peace talks fall apart.

I think ROK President Moon was doing a grand job of promoting meaningful increments toward a more lasting peace. Now Trump + Bolton + Pompeo are all set to come stomping in, make crazy demands and totally screw it up.

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 17 May 2018 20:42 (one month ago) Permalink

Alrighty then. pic.twitter.com/ZCJ4fdPqWD

— Vipin Narang (@NarangVipin) May 21, 2018

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Monday, 21 May 2018 23:58 (one month ago) Permalink

Can Bolton and Pompeo plz eat a bag of something very objectionable and off-putting? And not a small bag, either.

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 00:18 (one month ago) Permalink

If you want to learn about how much US leaders actually care about Koreans, listen to Donald Rumsfeld's wistful admiration for South Korean dictator Syngman Rhee, who tortured and massacred so many Koreans that we had to airlift him out to Hawaii https://t.co/fmmUMHjt2P pic.twitter.com/XcopBDl47D

— Jon Schwarz (@schwarz) May 25, 2018

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 27 May 2018 14:40 (four weeks ago) Permalink

North Korea’s top three military officials replaced

... (Eazy), Monday, 4 June 2018 00:51 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Just gave my 2 cents on @bbcworldservice. 1) none of this is confirmed by North Korea yet. 2) I would not call the newbies new or moderate (Ri was part of the famous US mainland strike map photo). 3) yeah, it’s probably significant he didn’t wait for a Party Congress. https://t.co/wMCOHECDqC

— Melissa Hanham (@mhanham) June 4, 2018

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Monday, 4 June 2018 03:27 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Like the Cuban missile crisis, the North Korea nuclear "crisis" is 95% the creation of the United States. https://t.co/JMkEx8DHjk pic.twitter.com/5wr3JFgAyQ

— Jon Schwarz (@schwarz) June 11, 2018

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Monday, 11 June 2018 19:35 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I think the North Korea crisis is far less justifiable than Cuba.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 11 June 2018 19:41 (two weeks ago) Permalink

In an era when "first strike capability" was considered a critical part of nuclear warfare doctrine, ICBMs in Cuba was a considerable threat. Tensions between the USSR and USA were exceptionally high, almost to the point of a hair trigger, and this action just escalated them. The current NK "crisis" is no way comparable.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 11 June 2018 19:48 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I think the North Korea crisis is far less justifiable than Cuba.

― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, June 11, 2018 9:41 PM (eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Well yeah. Because it's not a "North Korea crisis", and shouldn't go down in history as such. It's a "Donald Trump crisis".

lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 11 June 2018 19:52 (two weeks ago) Permalink

True, but our policy towards NK was overblown prior to Trump, he's just made it much worse.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 11 June 2018 19:56 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Also, with the Cuba example, comparing the distance to Moscow and DC makes little sense when Cuba is extremely close to the southern US.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 11 June 2018 19:58 (two weeks ago) Permalink

xp That's equally true.

Sordidly missing from all these shenanigans is the fate of the North-Korean people. That's where the real crisis is, day in day out. Not a peep on that from Trump (nor any other "world leader").

lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 11 June 2018 20:00 (two weeks ago) Permalink

The real concern among US war planners was how quickly their nukes could take out our nukes, leaving us unable to retaliate in kind and cutting the doctrine of MAD off at the knees. The huge difficulty with MAD with missiles in Cuba was making the decision to launch your own nukes within a mere 10 minutes after your opponents launch is detected, as opposed to having a leisurely half hour or so to make sure your radar alert wasn't lying to you about a flock of geese or something. When the whole decision cycle and all the necessary communication time is factored in, compressing it to mere minutes was almost asking for an accidental nuclear war.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 11 June 2018 20:07 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Needless to add, but NK can't begin to destroy our nuclear retaliatory capability and won't be able to for as far ahead as one can see or imagine, so any first strike by them leaves us with a thousand-plus missiles we could send their way. This simplifies the nuclear war doctrine to employ against them considerably compared to the USSR in 1961.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 11 June 2018 20:22 (two weeks ago) Permalink

last yr I examined 30 media mentions of CSIS on Korea. All 30 pushed for the maintenance of or new purchase of weapons system. When I asked a CSIS rep if they could point to a single instance of CSIS opposing a new weapons system they never got back to me. https://t.co/kvs4n7D30l

— Adam H. Johnson (@adamjohnsonNYC) June 12, 2018

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 12 June 2018 18:48 (one week ago) Permalink

xp That's equally true.

Sordidly missing from all these shenanigans is the fate of the North-Korean people. That's where the real crisis is, day in day out. Not a peep on that from Trump (nor any other "world leader").

― lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 11 June 2018 20:00 (two days ago) Permalink

Is there any sense in which thawing relations between the US and NK would harm the North Korean people? I would think it would benefit them or be neutral at worse.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 13 June 2018 18:12 (one week ago) Permalink

following from that, i think the kim jong un singapore move will be in the dprk less about the move to normalize relations and more about signalling a change in policy or speeding it up. kim legitimacy increasingly tied to economic success but at the same time tension between old guard leadership / bureaucrats and donju businesspeople and those that have come unattached from state infrastructure. the american military threat is secondary for kim to internal dissent on opening and reform vs state control... kim going to singapore is a good look and would be the next scene in a documentary after his ryomyong street opening and clips of the pyongyang skyline rising.
i think that was a bit incoherent but it's a variation on all of my posts on this thread: the real story is economic reform and opening in north korea which is hard to report on or know much about for sure and not a possible military conflict with the united states.

XxxxxxxXxxxxxxxxXxxxx (dylannn), Thursday, 14 June 2018 06:42 (one week ago) Permalink

and another thing i always bring up, the prc-us detente as a good example. normalization with china went forward even though the security issues that the prc and the us couldn't agree on in the late 70s continue to be an issue in 2018. reintegration of china into the international order was good and served strategic goals and required being pragmatic and negotiatiing with bad people.

XxxxxxxXxxxxxxxxXxxxx (dylannn), Thursday, 14 June 2018 06:55 (one week ago) Permalink

the first look that most in the dprk will get of the summit: https://youtu.be/Foc4VgKAVrM

XxxxxxxXxxxxxxxxXxxxx (dylannn), Thursday, 14 June 2018 15:58 (one week ago) Permalink

I think your pov has a lot of validity. dprk has a firm grip on nk society and nothing happens there that is not deeply connected to internal politics.

also, watching that youtube, I couldn't help but notice that kim jong un waddles when he walks. that's irrelevant, but he's in his mid-30s for crying out loud. he needs to get more exercise.

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 14 June 2018 19:08 (one week ago) Permalink

isn't being overweight sort of a status symbol in NK?

frogbs, Thursday, 14 June 2018 19:43 (one week ago) Permalink

I should think being head of state would be a sufficient marker of high status.

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 14 June 2018 20:00 (one week ago) Permalink

don't body-shame him

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 14 June 2018 20:12 (one week ago) Permalink


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