Calls For Hooded Tops Ban After Shopping Centre Bans Anyone Wearing Them From Their Mall.

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Wow, thanks for the links. Very comprehensive.

andy --, Friday, 13 May 2005 18:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Britain's largest shopping center said on Thursday it was banning youths wearing the "urban crime" uniform of baseball caps and hooded tops, a move supported by Prime Minister Tony Blair.

Repressed Kid, Friday, 13 May 2005 18:46 (twenty-one years ago)

and here i was thinking the ban of dark trenchcoats a few years back was the height of lamery.

()ops (()()ps), Friday, 13 May 2005 18:46 (twenty-one years ago)

That's actually quite the combination of stories up top there:

"YAY THE BOSOM!"

"BOO THE HOODIE!"

"CRY, THE BELOVED MAN U FAN."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 13 May 2005 18:46 (twenty-one years ago)

The Unabomber was a teenager (once).

Huk-L, Friday, 13 May 2005 18:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh yeah baseball caps are banned too.

Repressed Kid, Friday, 13 May 2005 18:47 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.express.co.uk/pixfeed/express.gif

Thug? This looks like Jon.

d'ngullberry (noisemeltdown), Friday, 13 May 2005 18:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Talk about appearance vs. reality! If these kids want to be thugs, they'll find another uniform to wear...

M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 13 May 2005 18:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I bought a hoodie from my University when I graduated, I also own a basball cap I bought while earning an honest living in a shop. I never realised I was a common criminal until now! Anyone wanna, like, go hang outside a shop and torment people?

Craig Gilchrist (Craig Gilchrist), Friday, 13 May 2005 18:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Will this spread nationwide?
Will they turn anyone of any age wearing a hooded top or baseball cap away?
What happens in the summer when people of all ages wear baseball caps to protect them from the sun?

Will sunglasses be next since they obscure your eyes ?

Why don't they give kids somewhere to go so they aren't bored and hanging around these malls? This is the real issue.

Repressed Kid, Friday, 13 May 2005 18:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought XBoxes had cured loitering.

Huk-L, Friday, 13 May 2005 19:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, but PSP brought it back.

Huk-L, Friday, 13 May 2005 19:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Some people still go outside, Huk. They are communists.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 13 May 2005 19:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I was hoping to find something else, but google image search turned up this gem:
http://www.n24.de/php-bin/data/cgalerie/content/n24_nachrichten_de_041019_usprsident_sport/08.jpg

Huk-L, Friday, 13 May 2005 19:02 (twenty-one years ago)

You know, my infant daughter often wears hooded tops when taken out. I wonder if she'd be banned.

mike a, Friday, 13 May 2005 19:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Your infant daughter is a menace and a threat. Keep her away from my food court.

Huk-L, Friday, 13 May 2005 19:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I wonder how many of the shops in "Britains Largest Shopping Mall" sell hoodies and baseball caps?
http://www.bluewater.co.uk/

Repressed Kid, Friday, 13 May 2005 19:10 (twenty-one years ago)

When I worked in that shop (where I bought my baseball cap), there was this really old American dude that came in, one of the few surviving members of his bomber group during WWII. He wore a baseball cap. That is all.

Craig Gilchrist (Craig Gilchrist), Friday, 13 May 2005 19:10 (twenty-one years ago)

A private shopping centre can ban whoever they want for whatever reason they want. Folk Devils and Moral Panics is a good book. The rest of the debate is blather.

TV's Mr Noodle Vague (noodle vague), Friday, 13 May 2005 19:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't know, but I'm more offended by the name of this store than these so-called "hoodies".
http://www.bluewater.co.uk/webimages/Store%20Images/L/Lovejuice.jpg

Mrs. Brigadier Simon VeredeVere (Jocelyn), Friday, 13 May 2005 19:12 (twenty-one years ago)


New laws to tackle yobs and restore respect in society have been promised by Prime Minister Tony Blair. But will more legislation solve the problems, or just make them worse?


New laws to tackle yobs and restore respect in society have been promised by Prime Minister Tony Blair. But will more legislation solve the problems, or just make them worse?

Repressed Kid, Friday, 13 May 2005 19:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Jocelyn, you only started dating a few weeks ago! I see you married into money :)

(I can't keep down my fascist urges here. Fuck the vicious thieving fuckers)

Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 13 May 2005 19:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Interesting that the call for a ban is described by the paper itself as a "Daily Express Crusade." If 'crusade' isn't a generally negative term nowadays, and I think it is, then it's still certainly a comic-book word.

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Friday, 13 May 2005 23:50 (twenty-one years ago)

wearing clothing which deliberately obscures the face such ashooded tops and baseball caps


i've been asked to take off hats (not baseball caps) in bars before(i'm sure anyone who wears hats has) which is totally acceptable, otherwise what's the point of the cctv? the shopping centre also banned swearing, leafletting etc. it seems to be just the papers that are making it all about the hoodies

Slumpman (Slump Man), Saturday, 14 May 2005 01:15 (twenty-one years ago)

they should definitely ban the wearing of a baseball cap UNDER a hood: it looks stupid!

Slumpman (Slump Man), Saturday, 14 May 2005 01:17 (twenty-one years ago)

i'd like it if instead of banning things, they would just enforce silly-looking things, like "you MUST wear the cap on top of the hood. all pants MUST be pulled up over the bellybutton, shirt tucked inside at all times."

Amon (eman), Saturday, 14 May 2005 01:31 (twenty-one years ago)

dazed & confused declares national hoodie day:


SAVE OUR HOODIES!


So, gargantuan London shopping centre Bluewater has decided to ban hooded sweatshirts. Always quick to spot a soft target, Deputy Prime Minister John Prescott has thrown his considerable weight behind the ban, declaring hoodies as "aggressive and intimidating", which, coming from him, is quite something. Apparently the amateur pugilist and style guru was recently "confronted by youths in a motorway café” and the sight of their shadowy cowled silhouettes looming over his pie'n'mash has clearly been haunting him ever since.
While it's hard to deny that hoods are indeed used by dealers and thieves to keep their guilty mugs off CCTV, the hoodie is one the great inventions of the 20th Century and we must not allow it to be soiled with the grimy fingerprints of petty crime in the same way that the Burberry baseball cap has been made synonymous with football hooliganism and the advanced stages of chavdom.
Everyone loves a hoodie, it 's the beans-on-toast of the fashion world, a comforting, effortless, everyday classic, often reinvented by rarely bettered. From the WWII navy seals who first stiched drawstring hoods and front pouches to their smock tops to the Bush-baiting "Black Hoodie Mob" in Eminem's pre-election “Mosh” video, via Afrika Bambaata, Rocky Balboa, Kylie, Donnie Darko and even the Grim Reaper himself, the hoodie has become a timeless wardrobe essential. It has survived the affront of J-Lo and Juicy Couture's slimy velour meddling, it has even survived the deeply disturbing "hoodie beneath a suit jacket" look of Timberlake, Charlie Busted and their boy-band brethren. But this new threat is far more sinister: a pincer movement from youth culture's two worst enemies; politics and commerce. Enough already. It's time for hoodie lovers to unite and make a stand. That's why Dazed is officially declaring this Saturday National Hoodie Day. So don the most "aggressive and intimidating" hoodie you can find, get down to your local mall, strike your shiftiest pose, hold your hoods up high and just say 'No' to Hood-ism. See you at Bluewater.

emsk, Monday, 16 May 2005 09:42 (twenty-one years ago)

'London shopping centre'? Nice to see D&C's firm grasp of geography.

Liz :x (Liz :x), Monday, 16 May 2005 09:49 (twenty-one years ago)

they should definitely ban the wearing of a baseball cap UNDER a hood

what about when the hat is perched atop a hooded head?

charltonlido (gareth), Monday, 16 May 2005 09:53 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't own or wear any hooded tops. They're not all that.

$V£N! (blueski), Monday, 16 May 2005 09:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Does Bluewater pipe out classical music or muzak in the chambers where hooded/capped youths congregate? This unorthodox tactic apparently worked in some areas outside shops that had become loitering points. I wonder if it just drove groups to other areas though e.g. the park, where even younger children would continue to be intimidated perhaps.

$V£N! (blueski), Monday, 16 May 2005 09:57 (twenty-one years ago)

haha, wasnt that somewhere in the northeast? (sunderland?) i thought it was a railway station, that blasted out classical music at full volume?

charltonlido (gareth), Monday, 16 May 2005 09:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought it was a North Yorkshire city/town but couldn't think which. It was just outside local convenience stores though. Music in railway stations is great e.g. Marylebone, though they don't have 'problems' with clustering reprobates in the same way.

D&C's riposte is a bit of a joke when you consider A) nobody complains THIS much about club or other social establishment dress codes, and B) who the fuck wants to hang out in Bluewater anyway? get one imagination kids.

$V£N! (blueski), Monday, 16 May 2005 10:01 (twenty-one years ago)

You'd think the stairs of my block of flats didn't have a lot going for them either, but kids congregate there to smoke spliffs, eat fast food (and chuck it about) and gob all over the place.

Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 16 May 2005 10:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Why not try fitting the stairwell with a hidden radio tuned to Classic FM?

$V£N! (blueski), Monday, 16 May 2005 10:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Frankly I am happy if ASBO bound bastards congregate in Bluewater, as I live nowhere near there.

Get One EImagination? Its a mall full of shopsand a 20 screen cinema and a cheap food court and plenty of stuff to nick/play with. How much of an imagination do you need if you live in Thurrock?

Pete (Pete), Monday, 16 May 2005 10:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Whoever said they need to give kids somewhere to go rather than telling them where not to go is OTM. People of between 13-17 cannot be expected to stay in their little homes with Mummy and Daddy till they are allowed to go into pubs let alone walk the street and socialise among themselves without being treated and scorned like vermin.

Is this just a British thing or is this happening every where? By this I mean this terrible way of dealing with problems?

Problem: Too many spotty little oiks chewing gum and using slang words in the town centre.
Solution: Start a club night for young people or even a youth centre or at least SOMETHING that might let them escape their home for a few hours and let them socialise outside of school. No, not a Christian youth group or an old fashioned youth club with skittles like you used to have in the old days. Kids be playing Playstation now. Even lowering the drinking age a bit if we must?
What really happens: Lets ban baseball caps and hoodies because that'll stop bored teens hanging around outside the VG waiting for their fake ID to come through the post. Then lets complain that our nation's children are becoming a bunch of lethargic, overweight telly addicts who have no concept of what it is to be a part of society.

Problem: Too many cars on the road, too much pollution, too much congestion.
Solution: Enforce cheaper and more efficient public transport.
What really happens: Make the roads smaller and raise the price of petrol in the hope that it will discourage people from using their cars while public transport becomes outmoded and disarrayed.

It's this solution of restriction rather than liberation that seems so ingrained in the way Britain is run. Instead of looking at solutions, councils and governments go for the shortgame by putting up balsa-wood barriers in order to entertain Daily Express readers until the next grumblefad (to coin a term) comes along.

dog latin (dog latin), Monday, 16 May 2005 10:34 (twenty-one years ago)

nobody complained when banks banned crash helmets...

bit in the guardian this weekend spoke to one of the hoodies, made me think this is too little too late - 'yeah i used to wear my hood up all the time last year *when it was fashionable*'

koogs (koogs), Monday, 16 May 2005 10:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe he felt there was no need to add "or when I was commiting violent crime"?

Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 16 May 2005 10:56 (twenty-one years ago)

You just need more places catering SPECIFICALLY for those aged 13-16 rather than shopping/entertainment centres that aim for a broader range (families etc.). Segregation in this way is really the best solution, esp. as I remember myself how much I didn't want to be in the same places as younger kids or intimidating older people a lot of the time.

$V£N! (blueski), Monday, 16 May 2005 11:01 (twenty-one years ago)

why oh why can't they just spend their time indoors listening to shit indie, reading 'cult fiction' and the music press and getting hung up on girls?

N_RQ, Monday, 16 May 2005 11:06 (twenty-one years ago)

dl otm, plus t blair's sticking-plaster logic that we need to teach ppl (spec. ver kids) respect and the way to do it is by chucking asbos on them, making them do their community service in bright orange clothes (has this been mentioned anywhere yet? apparently the sun thinks it is a good idea), banning them from wearing their clothes etc, is so so flawed it's hard to know where to start. confusing fear with respect and not being picked up on it, fear won't work anyway cos plenty these ppl got nothing in the first place, what are you gonna do? suspend them from school? curfew them? make them pick up litter from old ladies' gardens 2 evenings a week? big fucking deal, addressing the symptoms rather than the problem, k-brilliant way to build plenty of resentment...

can't decide if what bothers me most is the fear != respect thing or the way they're starting from so obviously completely the wrong place and direction.

emsk, Monday, 16 May 2005 11:14 (twenty-one years ago)

You think they're going to go to those places by choice?

xxpost.

Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Monday, 16 May 2005 11:26 (twenty-one years ago)

addressing the symptoms rather than the problem, k-brilliant way to build plenty of resentment...

well, obviously the hoodies are the symptom and not the problem, but with youth criminality in general talk of symptoms and problems is more difficult. what is the 'root problem' and what should be done?

N_RQ, Monday, 16 May 2005 11:35 (twenty-one years ago)

They played classical music on the tyne & wear metro in the vain hope that it would make the charvers stay away & stop intimidating passengers. It didn't work.

Pff, fuck teenagers, anyway.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 16 May 2005 11:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Disrespectful kids are the new MRSA in our society - the family unit has been allowed to mutate too far, spawning an unruly youth culture that is endangering our streets like a hoodie-clad superbug. Maybe Tony Blair should introduce league tables for urban spaces, whereby those areas having a high incidence of yobs in baseball caps should be taken away from local councils and given over to the private sector to clean up, just like at that lovely Broadmoor Shopping Centre place in Essex.

NickB (NickB), Monday, 16 May 2005 11:43 (twenty-one years ago)

ok, i think this ban is lame, but this from the BBC article is funny

A children's charity has hit back at a controversial ban on hooded tops by urging young people to boycott the shopping centre which imposed it.

HELLO, EARTH TO CHILDREN'S CHARITY!! YOU CANNOT BOYCOTT SOMETHING FROM WHICH YOU ARE ALREADY BANNED!

ken c (ken c), Monday, 16 May 2005 11:55 (twenty-one years ago)

and then later...

Spokesman Tim Linehan said: "Here you have a shopping centre banning people who wear the items of clothing that they sell at the centre.

"What happens to young people if they buy those items of clothing on the premises, are they not allowed to wear them on the way out?

erm, wearing clothing just bought from a shop?? Automatic arrest by the LAME PATROL.

ken c (ken c), Monday, 16 May 2005 11:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I think it's interesting that it's something so banal and mass-marketed as hooded tops that are the subject of a ban rather than things that have been stereotypically cited in the past as hallmarks of intimidating characters e.g. unorthodox piercings, coloured spiky hair, massive Doc Martens boots. Oddly, hoodies are as popular with hip-hop kids as they are with rock kids, but that's been the case for a while. I'm not sure if baseball caps crossed over in the same way. When I was in my teens I didn't really notice big groups of teenage boys ALL wearing basebcall caps like they do now - so it seems to have become more popular than ever in the last seven or eight years. I thought caps were part of this ban as well but the attention seems to be on the hoods, why is that?

$V£N! (blueski), Monday, 16 May 2005 12:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Just went to the Daily Mail website to read about the speeding copper and this was the top story...

Feral Britain: Thugs attack funeral car
A funeral cortege has been attacked by a teenage gang as the yob culture plumbed new depths. In the sickening attack, the thugs threw an 8ft-long lump of wood through the windscreen of the slow-moving limousine carrying women mourners. The incident is the latest in a hooligan explosion faced by communities across Britain

NickB (NickB), Thursday, 19 May 2005 09:26 (twenty-one years ago)

HOOLIGAN EXPLOSION

$V£N! (blueski), Thursday, 19 May 2005 09:28 (twenty-one years ago)

And as the smack cracks at your window
You wake up with a gun in your mouth
Oh let the nuclear wind blow away my sins
And I'll stay at home in my house

brett anderson/paul dacre -- have YOU seen them together?

N_RQ, Thursday, 19 May 2005 09:30 (twenty-one years ago)

The incident is the latest in a hooligan explosion

hooligans are suicide bombers now?

xxpost

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 19 May 2005 09:31 (twenty-one years ago)

dog, that's a bit silly, not all teenagers wear hoodies.

That's like saying "not everyone wears jeans". I'd say that about 75% of teens own some kind of hooded top that they wear regularly.

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 19 May 2005 09:35 (twenty-one years ago)

?

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 19 May 2005 09:37 (twenty-one years ago)

It's also interesting that the papers are suddenly reporting a 28 Days Later yob "epidemic" as if people are turning into car trashing thugs overnight.

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 19 May 2005 09:54 (twenty-one years ago)

i have never owned a hoody, although my coat has a hood and i use it. but what about those less educated, less stable etc etc

N_REQ, Thursday, 19 May 2005 10:04 (twenty-one years ago)

N_REQ, as you know hooded tops cause an overheating of the brain causing the wearer to become stupid.

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 19 May 2005 10:14 (twenty-one years ago)

hoodies are wicked! putting the hood up is an instant way to keep your head toasty and warm, for some reason its more effective than a hat. i think all the outcry about the anonymity afforded by hoodies neglects the fact that kids hang around outside a lot (the youth club burnt down) and its fucking cold outside the co-op at night. ergo, wear a hoodie!

ambrose (ambrose), Thursday, 19 May 2005 10:44 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.normasabadell.com/scan/dogma.jpg

Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Thursday, 19 May 2005 10:56 (twenty-one years ago)

HOOLIGAN EXPLOSION

someone photoshop a hoodie on jon spencer plz

stevie (stevie), Thursday, 19 May 2005 11:17 (twenty-one years ago)

(the youth club burnt down)

spontaneous combustion no doubt

Snowy Mann (rdmanston), Thursday, 19 May 2005 11:20 (twenty-one years ago)

It's as if it had chosen to burn down rather than be inhabited by the unruly shrouded scamps.

$V£N! (blueski), Thursday, 19 May 2005 11:35 (twenty-one years ago)

heavy

Ste (Fuzzy), Thursday, 19 May 2005 11:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Calls For Hooded Tops Ban After Shopping Centre Bans Anyone Wearing Them From Their Mall.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 19 May 2005 11:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Am concerned that Fear of Hoodie Anonymity will coalesce nicely into an urgent need for ID cards.

suzy (suzy), Thursday, 19 May 2005 12:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Eek!

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 19 May 2005 12:12 (twenty-one years ago)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/4562737.stm

A school could help restore the reputation of the notorious hooded top after making it part of its uniform.

Richard Haigh, principal of Coombeshead College, Newton Abbot, Devon, has criticised "hysterical" stereotyping of 'hoodie' wearers as thugs.

"Most young people are fine, upstanding citizens, and some of them wear hoodies. Why should they be tarred with this rather hysterical brush?" he said.

Bluewater shopping centre, Greenhithe, Kent, last week banned hooded tops.

This was part of a new code of conduct for visitors aimed at tackling anti-social behaviour at the complex.

"It's the behaviour that's the problem, not the clothing," Mr Haigh said on Thursday.

He added: "If you know how young people's minds work, the best way of encouraging them to do something is to ban it.

"The more fuss we make about hoodies and baseball caps, the more a certain type of young person will want to wear them."

Hooded tops have been part of the uniform at Coombeshead College, a 1,600-strong media and arts college, for two years.

Between 10 and 15% of students wear them, the headmaster estimated.

They are only allowed to put up the hoods when it is raining.

In a letter that he described as "tongue in cheek" to the Times on Wednesday, Mr Haigh wrote: "I am disappointed by the lack of subtlety in dealing with the hoodie problem.

"Follow our example and make them part of school uniform. How uncool does that make them?"

Nick & Buzz, Thursday, 19 May 2005 14:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Vote Haigh

$V£N! (blueski), Thursday, 19 May 2005 14:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Perry is onto something here, although I fear that as these places have a high proportion of old dears that toplessnessness would lead to the ungodly sight of crusty half-Weetabix's everywhere you turned. Not one for the Food Court.

On one hand I've got myself to blame (Lynskey), Thursday, 19 May 2005 15:00 (twenty-one years ago)

The Daily Mirror Joins Bandwagon.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/newspapers/20_may_2005/img/3.jpg

I wonder how many more bad puns the press will come up with before this fad is over.

Repressed Kid, Friday, 20 May 2005 00:39 (twenty-one years ago)

two weeks pass...
7 June 2005
BANNED FROM SHOPS.. BECAUSE SHE'S A GOTH
By Daniel Boffey

TEENAGER Melissa Fletcher was banned from a shopping centre because of her Goth fashion.

Security guards stopped the 16-year-old at the entrance, saying her dyed red and black hair, pierced lip and black clothes would put shoppers off buying.

Yet Melissa had no trouble getting in earlier that day when accompanied by her mum.

Melissa was with two 16-year-old friends at the Triangle complex in Manchester city centre.

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Her mother Sharon, 34, of Denton, Greater Manchester, said yesterday: "Melissa does not drink, smoke or take drugs.

"She knows what is right and what is wrong but dressing differently is no reason to be singled out.

"Melissa had money in her pockets to spend but she did not even get through the front door.

"The security guard told me later that he was under strict orders not to let them in because of the way they looked."

Melissa, a pupil at Egerton Park High School in Denton, said she would not be returning to the complex. She added: "I think it is discriminatory."

A spokesman for the centre said: "If it is believed the behaviour of some is likely to compromise the safety or enjoyment of others, then the Triangle is able to reserve the right to refuse admission."

The ban comes after Bluewater complex in Kent outlawed youngsters in hooded tops to stop families being intimidated by gangs.

Bosses claimed visitor numbers rocketed 23 per cent as a result.

Manchester's Trafford Centre, the Elephant and Castle complex in South London and shops in Liverpool have also banned hoodies.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=15599732%26method=full%26siteid=94762%26headline=banned%2dfrom%2dshops%2d%2d%2dbecause%2dshe%2ds%2da%2dgoth-name_page.html

Repressed Kid, Tuesday, 7 June 2005 16:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Urgh, Goth! Fuck buying a PSP now, I'm going home!

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 16:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Who is going to be banned next?

Repressed Kid, Tuesday, 7 June 2005 17:32 (twenty-one years ago)

six months pass...
Baseball caps have been banned from a chain of internet cafes in two Scottish cities, it has emerged.

Easyinternetcafes - owned by Stelios Haji-Ioannou, the founder of low cost airline Easyjet - claims the headgear is linked with "deviant" behaviour.

The ban on wearing caps is to be piloted at the chain's branches in Edinburgh and Glasgow.

If the trial is successful, it will be introduced in all 41 Easyinternetcafes across the UK.

The chain's management claimed people in baseball caps made other customers feel uncomfortable and that wearers were difficult to identify on CCTV.

James Rothnie, the firm's director of corporate affairs, said the ban had been introduced after a spate of thefts.

'Anti-social'

He told The Sunday Times: "We want to make sure that our cafes are places where customers can relax and feel secure.

"Since deviant behaviour can be associated with the wearing of baseball caps we are politely asking people who enter our premises not to wear caps.

"This policy is designed to combat anti-social behaviour such as theft."

Bluewater shopping centre
The Bluewater hoodie ban sparked a national debate

This week Paisley became the first town centre in Britain to ban youths wearing hooded tops from all of its major stores.

Earlier this year, Prime Minister Tony Blair backed a ban on hoodies at the Bluewater shopping centre in Kent.

A Bluewater spokeswoman said on Sunday that the move had proved to be a "successful policy".

"I think what we have seen is groups of youths do not hang around the centre as they may have done before.

"Basically it gives out the signal to the vast majority of shoppers that it is a good place to come and shop and have a good time.

"It was good for Bluewater but I do not think the centre would offer advice to any other business as to how to run their services."

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Sunday, 18 December 2005 21:45 (twenty years ago)

Next they will be banning anyone from wearing tracksuits since thats more the neds choice of clothing rather than hoodies, as that seems to be the indie/metaller/skaters choice of clothing in Scotland.

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Monday, 19 December 2005 04:11 (twenty years ago)

Aw, Christ on a cracker! There's only one way to effectively fight such idiocy. First, contact the Activities Director for a large nursing home. Offer to take a large number of geezers on an outing to the mall. Assemble a small army of youthful volunteers and hire a bus with a wheelchair lift.

When you go to pick up said geezers from their digs, present each one with a complimentary hoodie and baseball cap. have each of your youthful volunteers wear an identical cap and hoodie. Emblazon these paraphernalia with charitable slogans such as "Jesus Loves Us All!"

Have your youthful volunteers help all the geezers into their gear. Invite the news media and tip them off. Bring the geezers to the mall, suitably accoutered. Meet the media. March to the offices of the management and defy their fucking stupid ban with the cameras rolling!

Checkmate.

Aimless (Aimless), Monday, 19 December 2005 04:29 (twenty years ago)

Then when the cameras are gone they stop ordinary people getting in.

I can understand them making kids take off the caps. I can understand them saying don't wear hoods up. But banning them completely is stupid.
especially as the same people could just wear tshirts or tracksuits or any form of clothing and still cause the same amount of bother.

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Monday, 19 December 2005 04:54 (twenty years ago)

That's it, folks. I'm pretty much banned from the UK at this point.. haha.

I mean, the hoodie is the basic essential clothing I use to get around the very London-esque weather in this town. I'm not wearing a knitted sweater and carrying an umbrella the next time I'm over there, sorry.

dali madison's nut (donut), Monday, 19 December 2005 05:08 (twenty years ago)

er places that aren't shit will still let you wear what you want. don't hate us all. paisley is far from london.

emsk ( emsk), Monday, 19 December 2005 09:00 (twenty years ago)

And don't hate Paisley just because it employs a moron to run its town centre (there are hardly any major stores left in Paisley any more anyway, and this just smacks of someone trying to make a name for themself, I've seen no real evidence that would lead me to believe that this is a problem that needs solving. The only crime in Paisley High Street is the broken shop windows and I'm pretty sure that happens at night once people have stopped being in the shops).

ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 19 December 2005 09:40 (twenty years ago)

i didn't mean to hate on paisley! sorry. my cousin lives there.

emsk ( emsk), Monday, 19 December 2005 09:47 (twenty years ago)

so, this ban is just occuring in a town outside London?

Well, granted, it is %^$%^Exclaim#$%$%$ magazine, but from the Lady Sovereign interview I read, the article writer and Lady S make it sound like the entirety of the UK has declared war on "the hoodie"... I should know better than to make ass umptions based on that article.

dali madison's nut (donut), Monday, 19 December 2005 10:31 (twenty years ago)

Up until now it seemed the entire "war on hoodieism" was england only to be honest.

I know it's only a matter of time now until it spreads to our joke of a shopping centre in my town.

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Monday, 19 December 2005 11:02 (twenty years ago)

Aw, Christ on a cracker! There's only one way to effectively fight such idiocy. First, contact the Activities Director for a large nursing home. Offer to take a large number of geezers on an outing to the mall. Assemble a small army of youthful volunteers and hire a bus with a wheelchair lift.

When you go to pick up said geezers from their digs, present each one with a complimentary hoodie and baseball cap. have each of your youthful volunteers wear an identical cap and hoodie. Emblazon these paraphernalia with charitable slogans such as "Jesus Loves Us All!"

Have your youthful volunteers help all the geezers into their gear. Invite the news media and tip them off. Bring the geezers to the mall, suitably accoutered. Meet the media. March to the offices of the management and defy their fucking stupid ban with the cameras rolling!

Checkmate.

With added bonus that it would probably put the antisocial types off of wearing hoodies!

Onimo (GerryNemo), Monday, 19 December 2005 11:39 (twenty years ago)

diana's baby secret was that she wore a hoodie at all times

Hairy Asshurt (Toaster), Monday, 19 December 2005 16:41 (twenty years ago)

I love how that front page changes all the time.
Eventually it will have a cover that fits the topic again.

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Monday, 19 December 2005 16:44 (twenty years ago)

how many ilxros wear hooded sweatshirts anyway?

Hairy Asshurt (Toaster), Monday, 19 December 2005 16:45 (twenty years ago)

ilxros sounds like a greek god.

Hairy Asshurt (Toaster), Monday, 19 December 2005 16:45 (twenty years ago)

Greek god of rockism.

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Monday, 19 December 2005 16:46 (twenty years ago)

I AM ILXROS GOD OF INCONSEQUENCIAL CHATTER

Hairy Asshurt (Toaster), Monday, 19 December 2005 16:46 (twenty years ago)

But yeah, interesting question, how many here wear hoodies so could get banned from shopping centres?

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Monday, 19 December 2005 16:47 (twenty years ago)

I was wearing a hoodie in Paisley the other day. No-one barred me from anywhere.

ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 19 December 2005 16:50 (twenty years ago)

presumably anyone who looks older than 20 is unaffected by the bans.

Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Monday, 19 December 2005 16:51 (twenty years ago)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4541534.stm

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41138000/jpg/_41138786_nohatsign203.jpg

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Monday, 19 December 2005 22:49 (twenty years ago)

I wear hoodies all the time.. but then again, anyone around 40 or less wears hoodies in this town, because it rains a lot, and hoodies are more convenient than umbrellas.

This is a nice hint at subversion here. People who engage in criminal activity should iconify things that are practical in daily life, like CAR or WALKING icons. Therefore cars or pedestrians will be banned from certain places, if the people who run the places are loonie enough.

dali madison's nut (donut), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 00:44 (twenty years ago)

Next they will be banning cardigans because the twee kids are scaring old grannies (with their tweeness)

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 01:05 (twenty years ago)

four months pass...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4755071.stm

Loving the caption on the top pic.

Hello Sunshine (Hello Sunshine), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 06:04 (twenty years ago)

does this mean I'm still banned from England?

DOQQUN (donut), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 06:13 (twenty years ago)


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