Am I too old to be a bestselling novelist? (Holy crap, this is really long, and rambling, sorry)

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I was just looking through an old issue of The Believer (Feb 04) I found in my house, and skimming this article, "The Perpetual Debut Novelist" by David Amsden, in which he discusses the literary world's increasing fascination with the works of writers who are increasingly young and hip. He argues that debut novels by young people are more likely to gain critical acclaim and popularity than are [possibly better] novels by older writers whose lives may seem less interesting to potential readers. I, like most people, I guess, have long dreamt of writing some amazing novel that everybody would read and talk about, and that would have a flattering photograph of me on the back.
Despite my performance on ILX, I'm actually a pretty good fiction writer. However, for the past six months or so, I have been caught in this crushing bout of writer's block, and though I hate to admit it, I have a feeling that at least part of it is stemming from some frustration, verging on desperation, at the quickly-passing time, and how I'm almost twenty-four, and how seventeen-year-olds are publishing popular novels with little cover blurbs exclaiming, "_______ is not even out of high school, and this is the best book EVER!" Sometimes, the cover blurbs are written by members of Really Cool Bands.
I realize this is silly and stupid and that twenty-four isn't old and that I should write because it makes me happy (and usually it does), and that I shouldn't worry so much about getting published, much less pumping out page after page of tipsy-bookclub fodder for middle-aged women, or halfhearted "I heard this was good" Secret Santa gifts from office hipsters. But it's hard! I keep having these awful feelings that things I may publish in the future would be better published now, and that the older I get, the less interesting anything I have to say will be to publishers and the fickle readers who trust them.
Who wants fickle readers? I don't know. But who wants to be a "writer" who is actually a waitress?
It's just really discouraging to realize that the world of literature is just like anything else. That it's all marketing. The idea in Amsden's article is to publish novel after novel, each under a new assumed name, and each proclaimed to be a debut. I am beginning to think that perhaps I should adopt some kind of alter-ego, like say I'm a 16-year-old runaway with green hair, a crippling case of hypochondria, and impeccable taste in hosiery.
And at the same time, I sometimes shudder to think of things I wrote even two years ago, how immature and trite some of the subjects are. And I believe I've grown immensely as a writer since then, but who's to say what'll happen in another two years? Twenty-four is not old at ALL. And I would really hate to have my name forever attached to something I was ashamed of.
I realize I'm writing this all as if I actually had the capability to be a bestselling writer, which is, at best, undetermined, and, more likely, highly improbable. All that aside, however: Are these valid fears? Is a superficial audience better than no audience? Is it better to wait for the possible wisdom of age, or to exploit the definite sexiness of youth?*
I think I know the answer, but I could use some reassurance.

*And I mean one's OWN, for any pervies out there.

kirsten (kirsten), Monday, 16 May 2005 19:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Eh, don't fret. I'm trying to get fiction published myself and one story aside I'm happy sticking to talking about experiences that AREN'T mine and are not about being young and hip, but about using your imaginative powers, whether in dealing with ridiculous parody or psychological horror or whatever. If this makes me less attractive a writer to some minds by default then that's their problem and not mine. Criticize or engage with my work for what it is, rather than what it isn't.

how seventeen-year-olds are publishing popular novels with little cover blurbs exclaiming, "_______ is not even out of high school, and this is the best book EVER!" Sometimes, the cover blurbs are written by members of Really Cool Bands.

A TERRIBLE measure of worthiness by any standard.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 16 May 2005 19:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Hmm, I'm going on 32 and haven't yet given up hope on publishing acclaim.

You aren't too old (I don't think there really is such a thing). Even though I agree with you about the unfortunate trend I think lying about your age would be a mistake. Surely any acclaim you acquired in such a way would risk being lost once the deceit was discovered.

Miss Misery (thatgirl), Monday, 16 May 2005 19:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Young people don't read anyhow.

Huk-L, Monday, 16 May 2005 19:15 (twenty-one years ago)

this might be sort of interesting to you

http://trashotron.com/agony/reviews/2005/aylett-lint.htm

bragony, Monday, 16 May 2005 19:16 (twenty-one years ago)

How many of the youthful authors, debuts often buoyed by connections (Ivy League program, novelist parent[s]) or an incredible story (16-year old pregnant runaway sold into slavery, wrote novel while in labor) go on to a lasting, artistically- and commercially-successful career? Purely anecdotally, it feels like most of them are flashes in the pan - after that one hyped novel they're back to junior editory or pregnant runaway slave or whatever.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Monday, 16 May 2005 19:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Write good books. Sleep with editors.

Huk-L, Monday, 16 May 2005 19:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, I know. These are all good points, and I am actually quite disgusted with myself. When I really think about it, I would hate to have my age used as a marketing tool. And I am not necessarily looking to be famous, or even wealthy. I think I'm just bitter that all these people my age and younger who are publishing things that might not even be all that great are receiving all sorts of praise simply because they are young. If that's the case, I guess I'm just envious.
I am making myself sick.

kirsten (kirsten), Monday, 16 May 2005 19:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey I feel ya. Although as I've grown older the envy has lessened to bemusement. eh.

Miss Misery (thatgirl), Monday, 16 May 2005 19:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I feel like a sixteen-year-old gymnast.

kirsten (kirsten), Monday, 16 May 2005 19:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't mind young writers getting published for writing good books, but the trend of young and hip writers getting autobiographies (thinly veiled or not) published sucks. LIVE ONE LIFE.

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 16 May 2005 19:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Ugh, yes. Nobody should be writing memoirs before they're at LEAST seventy.

kirsten (kirsten), Monday, 16 May 2005 19:27 (twenty-one years ago)

from the bbc

The age of 50 marks authors' peak
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/arts/4540705.stm

jellybean (jellybean), Monday, 16 May 2005 19:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Kirsten, this happens in every aspect of life. There is always someone younger than you seemingly doing something better.

You are very talented. Get on with it. Enjoy it.

Ally C (Ally C), Monday, 16 May 2005 19:28 (twenty-one years ago)

I'll get on with it when you enter an international dance competition.
(Thanks, though.)

kirsten (kirsten), Monday, 16 May 2005 19:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I AM too old for dance competitions.

Ally C (Ally C), Monday, 16 May 2005 19:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Conrad didn't start 'til his thirties!

andy --, Monday, 16 May 2005 19:32 (twenty-one years ago)

(Hey Kirsten, sorry to hijack but have you ever been to the Highbury in Bay View? I haven't, but Mama Digdown's is playing there this Saturday.)

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 16 May 2005 19:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Quite coincidentally, I just finished reading an interview with Steve Martin, who published his first novel at 55.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 16 May 2005 19:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Aww, geez! It’s okay. It’s so okay. I mean, when I started reading that post, I was expecting it to be from a middle-aged man, so let’s note first that you have nothing to worry about: being twenty-four means you’ll be at the heart of the young-novelist demographic for a long time to come. Books by teenagers, eh: if it makes you feel any better, hardly anybody takes these very seriously in a literary sense. And seriously—as a twenty-seven-year-old working through a first novel, I’m almost mock-offended by the implications of your worry! The “young novelists” currently pumping out of MFA programs are all closer to my age than yours, and as one of them I can tell you this: the fact that you’ve got something underway and are worried about its progress puts you leagues ahead of the vast majority of people.

Second: there’s no point worrying about the age part. A lot of the concerns in that article are perfectly accurate—fresh young novelists do tend to get bigger advances and more marketing hype lavished on them, yes. But really, if you’re dedicated enough to really work your way through a novel—which, I’m with you, is a damned arduous project—I have to believe that advance money and fame aren’t really your goals. (If those were your goals, I’d hope you wouldn’t be interested in books in general!) Just write: write with as much dedication as you can, and be content with whatever pace the pages come out, and just work on writing a novel you think is good. There’s nothing you will get out of publishing that will substitute for knowing you’ve written something good.

And yes, on the time and work issues, I’m very much with you. I’m twenty-seven and working on a novel I think is going well, but the pressure of paying off student loans is combining with that thirty-year-old “what have you done with your life” landmark to make me really wish I could finish this thing off and get started on the process of selling it. I look ahead and I realize that making this novel truly work could take years and years of my life, years chained to the same idea, writing and rewriting and throwing away half of what gets done along the way. But this is what it means to write novels, really, and if I knew some magical shortcut I sure wouldn’t share it with anyone else.

In any case I feel for you, I know every one of those feelings far too well. But my advice remains: really, don’t worry. Don’t worry about anything else other than trying to write a decent book. In those terms, you’re extraordinarily young. The fact that your previous writing always looks bad to you is a good sign, obviously, because it means that you’re learning. You can use this to your advantage: try new things in brief spurts, experimenting and expanding your range with short pieces, letting yourself develop. But don’t let that sense of development cripple you. You can take award-winning octogenarian writers and they’ll tell you the same thing—that they’re still learning, that in some cases they could do their previous books much better with all the skills they’ve learned now. Expecting to be at the peak of your powers for a first book is an easy thing to get sucked into (this crippled me for a little while), but it’s a completely unreasonable expectation: you do the best you can, and if you get better from there on, that’s all for the best.

I have no good advice for the block other than this: make a discipline out of writing. This is actually one of the best things an MFA program winds up doing for you—you’re forced to sit down to writing as a task, as a craft, and in the end I think that’s the only way to get through the hard work required to finish a good novel. Try scheduling writing-time and using it—even if you only write three sentences, even if you write something unrelated to any project you’re working on, just write. Don’t fall into the other half of being crippled by perfection, this thing where you don’t let yourself write crap. Writing crap is part of the process; let yourself do it, and work through it, and you’ll eventually come around to making it work.

I’ll stop there, since I don’t know anything about your work or your life situation or your writing style, and so much turns out to be completely dependent on that. But seriously: don’t worry. The fact that you’re committed to getting something done is really all you’re going to need here—and worrying about the ins and outs of age and publishing is just a big meaningless distraction from worrying about writing something great. Which I hope you’ll do, ya know?

nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 16 May 2005 19:34 (twenty-one years ago)

And I dunno, if you want any thoughts on your writing or any more specific advice, feel free to email -- I've spent the last couple years pretty well wrapped up in these issues, and probably have more to say about them than anyone would ever care to hear.

nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 16 May 2005 19:38 (twenty-one years ago)

God, nabisco, I think that was exactly what I needed to hear right now. It's good to know that I'm not alone in sometimes freaking out about things like this, and I truly appreciate the advice. Really, thank you.

And Jordan--I haven't been to the Highbury, but I'd really like to see your band. I'll try to make it!
x-post: I think I might take you up on that. Thank you!

kirsten (kirsten), Monday, 16 May 2005 19:39 (twenty-one years ago)

No problem, Kirsten. Out of curiosity: are you working on any definite project right now? And if so, how far along are you? (Meaning not just pages but your own sense of how it's coming.)

nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 16 May 2005 20:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, to be honest, I'm kind of out of it right now. I finished my undergrad degree in December, and immediately fell into this mind-numbing Beer'n'Naps recovery thing. I do have something I started as a short story for a workshop about a year ago, and the more I work on it, the more it seems to be something I could expand into a larger piece. The little writing I have done in the past few months has been work on that, like working on character studies and stuff. I feel pretty good about what I have so far, and when I'm in a good mood I'm confident that I can really do something with it. It's just so hard to snap out of an idle stretch. I haven't taken the GRE, so I can't officially get into an MFA program yet, but I think I'm going to take a workshop for credit this fall, if only to keep myself writing.

kirsten (kirsten), Monday, 16 May 2005 20:06 (twenty-one years ago)

it is very easy, to worry about not having achieved anything.

I wonder what achievers worry about.

RJG (RJG), Monday, 16 May 2005 20:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Calories, maybe?

kirsten (kirsten), Monday, 16 May 2005 20:08 (twenty-one years ago)

that's easy, too, I suppose.

RJG (RJG), Monday, 16 May 2005 20:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Now I'm hungry.

(Yay nabisco and his fine thoughts!)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 16 May 2005 20:17 (twenty-one years ago)

I am still convinced that JT Leroy is actually a forty-year-old boring bank clerk somewhere. An alter ego could be the way to go. Or you could try to go mad and have a terrible, tragic life that people will want to read about.

One of my favourite books is The Naked Civil Servant, the story of an old man who never did anything particularly interesting except exist. Old people are much more interesting, to me at least.

Cathy (Cathy), Monday, 16 May 2005 20:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I have even better news for you, then, Kirsten: you’re pretty much exactly where you should be. Just about every young writer I’ve ever known has run into that post-collegiate slump, and it might even be kind of a good thing: you spend those years the way everyone does, engaged with the whole drill of working and tending to your own life. I left school and started working nine-to-five and wrote very nearly nothing at all—maybe a page, maybe some notes, every other month—until I started gearing up to go for an MFA. It’s what everyone does, and it helps: you go about living a life, and when you realize you honestly want writing to be a part of that life, you’re able to get back to it in the kind of dedicated, adult way you’ll need to in order to really get things done. You’ve got plenty of time on that one. The norm I see in MFAs is for people to spend a few years working and then start the programs around 26 or 27.

So if you feel like you’re still improving, just work on whatever sketches or shorts will keep you improving. If a long project occurs to you, try it out without ever intending to complete it—just for the experience of running into those long-project workshops. Write things you wind up thinking suck, and write things just for fun, because that’s where you should be—just remember to push yourself here and there, say, trying to finish off a short piece that you already think isn’t very good. Writing can be as practice-practice-practice as anything else, and it’ll probably help you to write in that spirit—not trying to take over the literary world, just practice, figure some things out, and work your way closer to the point where you’re really ready for something big.

Taking a workshop is a good way to keep your hand in, and a good way to remind yourself that you're in the same boat as everyone else -- they're not cranking out revelatory novels either. And not all MFA programs need a GRE, though I don't think you need to worry about that for a while yet.

nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 16 May 2005 20:30 (twenty-one years ago)

"Long-project workshops" should be "long-project obstacles" -- i.e., it's good to get used to the problems of a long work before you're ready to dive into the Novel You're Dying to Write.

nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 16 May 2005 20:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I'll second nabisco's point about just worrying about the novel itself. Publishing trends change too quickly for you to aim a novel towards them anyway -- the only time you're going to have a quick turnaround from novel to final destination is if you go small potatoes or if the final destination is the trash bin. I have a friend with a multi-book contract with Tor -- the manuscript of the first book of which sat on an editor's desk for two years before he got to it, and that was with networking and personal conversations with the editor "speeding things along." Another year has gone by since she signed the contract, and the book doesn't come out until later this year.

I've been waiting for nearly a year just to hear back from an agent, and that was with a referral. It's a slow process, and anything that's popular now, editors already have plenty of it both in the works and in the slush pile, so trying to emulate that -- even if "being a very young author" were something you could emulate -- won't get you anywhere.

Write, write a lot, write tons, write more than that, write yesterday and a week from now, and don't risk making your first novel your only one by trying to fit everything you love into it. I'm writing my eighth novel, not counting high school composition notebook trash, and I learn something new about pacing and structure every week -- more importantly, I'm learning things I had no way of guessing were there to be learned when all I was doing was short stories. It's like moving from vegetables to meat: a million carrots teach you nothing about roast beef.

Thank God the learning curve is more forgiving than with short stories: if an eighth novel were as far along it as an eighth short story is, I'd be looking forward to having something decent written around the time I hit retirement age.

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 16 May 2005 20:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Nabisco, Tep, everyone, seriously. This has made me feel so much better. It's like all this unnecessary tension just released from my shoulders. Thank you.

kirsten (kirsten), Monday, 16 May 2005 20:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I think you need to reconsider the "bestselling" factor, which I think for literary fiction writers is somewhat akin to winning the lottery. (Genre novels are far more wildely read than literary novels, so I think there would be a better chance there of having a best-seller, but maybe not.) There appears to be little rhyme or reason to the success of literary novels. Certain books arrive at the reviewer's desk with a built-in buzz (fuled by the publisher's publicity, and other intangibles, hook, story, hot young author, etc.) So many literary novels are published that no one ever hears about, but they are not intrinsically lesser books than the ones who do well. Most literary novels are well-reviewed in high places but remain unknown to the majority of people who read fiction, which is hardly anyone. A book I am reading right now "February House" tells the story of the house in Brooklyn Heights lived in by Auden, Carson McCullers, Paul and Jane Bowles, etc. The person who brought this group together, George Davis, who I had never heard of before, was apparently one of these hot young first-novelists of his time period, but who reads his book now? Anyway, he went on to introduce serious fiction within the pages of Harper's Bazaar their literary editor (I believe he is remembered now, if at all, for his editing), and struggled with writing a second novel. Other characters flit through the book who were similarly fashionable writers in their time, but who I have never heard of, and whose books are likely not read by many today. So there are fashions in each period. Young writers are sexy--they have a certain wunderkind aura to them. They make good press. I would worry about the young writers you actually admire though. Lit fic, is (I imagine) as cutthroat an endeavor as any other) and I think besides talent, and maybe even more so than talent, it is important to have AMBITION and DRIVE. But I think there has been really good advice on this thead. All that I would add, is to study the young writers who you admire, and discount the rest of them. Ultimately it's not the publicity that matters, but telling your story. Unless you lust for fame and/or fortune, in which case I would really suggest writing for film or TV.

Mary (Mary), Monday, 16 May 2005 22:10 (twenty-one years ago)

also, the advance factor is worth thinking about: do you really want a huge advance from a publishing company? well, think about it, that's an advance on potential royalties. if your book doesn't catch on, i'm assuming it's the same as a record company and the publisher wouldn't be very happy (and would want a portion of the advance back), though i don't know for sure about that. probably seems more likely to start small, work up a following over the years, etc.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 16 May 2005 22:18 (twenty-one years ago)

They don't -- unless it's a crappy and/or small and/or run-out-of-someone's-basement publisher -- take the advance back. It's a known risk, especially these days, and a lot of books (including those by well known authors and the occasional bestseller) don't earn out their advances.

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 16 May 2005 22:25 (twenty-one years ago)

ah ok. wasn't sure about that. nevermind then.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 16 May 2005 22:26 (twenty-one years ago)

**I am still convinced that JT Leroy is actually a forty-year-old boring bank clerk somewhere.**

There's an idea for a satirical novel. Seriously.

FWIW authors only have to return an advance when the finished manuscript is rejected by the publisher. Of course if your book doesn't earn back the advance, you don't get any furture royalties.

m coleman (lovebug starski), Monday, 16 May 2005 22:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Writing is all about the Benjamins. I think SL Johnson said that. In Rasselas? In his voluminous correspondence? It doesn't matter. As long as every now and then purported narrative you produce provides some kind of upper hand.

mfa dooom, Tuesday, 17 May 2005 05:40 (twenty-one years ago)

It pleases me reading this too, at the moment I'm running myself ragged trying to pay the bills, so the last thing I want to do when I feel I can stop for the day is go back to the computer and start writing again, although sometimes I do, so I must like it, somewhere under all the stress.

I just keep telling myself that writing is like being a director, you're still considered a wunderkinde or enfant terrible if you're under 40. (The cut off point for being considered as a Granta Young Novelist is 40.)

The thing that hampers me most is the sheer predictability of what I'm trying to do: 'oh another novel written by a journalist ... yawn'

Anna (Anna), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 07:47 (twenty-one years ago)

This phenomenon being a USA thing? I don't see loads of "young hip kids" churning out novels here. Or having quotes from "really cool bands" on the cover. But then, I'm not greatly looking...

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 07:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I think 'The Icarus Girl' by Helen Oyeyemi is probably the best recent UK example of a very young writer (she wrote it while doing her A-Levels) getting a book published because of who she was (young and black) rather than just what she'd written. I never read it, just the reviews, but it sounded awful.

Cathy (Cathy), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 09:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, black people should just shut up and do as they're told, shouldn't they?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 09:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Um, how did you get that from what I said?

Cathy (Cathy), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 09:47 (twenty-one years ago)

getting a book published because of who she was (young and black)rather than what she'd just written

Since you asked.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 09:53 (twenty-one years ago)

are you that bored, marcello carlin?

RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 10:04 (twenty-one years ago)

are you that rascist, rjg?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 10:08 (twenty-one years ago)

oh, you are that bored.

RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 10:09 (twenty-one years ago)

why are you here, then?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 10:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm 24, what's your excuse?

RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 10:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not going to be 42.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 10:11 (twenty-one years ago)

that's something but not an excuse, sorry.

RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 10:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Marcello, what I said was in no way racist, and I am quite offended. I am not going to say anything else on this thread.

Cathy (Cathy), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 10:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Good. Bye.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 10:15 (twenty-one years ago)

cathy wasn't being racist and every quote and description of that book did indeed make it sound craptastic.

N_RQ, Tuesday, 17 May 2005 10:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I haven't read the book so won't comment on its quality. Nonetheless this is a kneejerk reaction symptomatic of institutionalised racism, namely that the only reason black people achieve anything is Because They're Black, which is just one microscopic state away from saying that the only reason black people get allocated council houses is Because They're Black.

I am sure, for example, that routine questioning of the average white inhabitants of housing estates in Barking would produce strenuous, heartfelt denials of racism.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 10:24 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah? you read '31 songs' then?

N_RQ, Tuesday, 17 May 2005 10:26 (twenty-one years ago)

31 Songs is enough to turn anyone into a book-burning Nazi. Just that book, you understand, preferably in tandem with its author.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 10:27 (twenty-one years ago)

the fact that cathy knows the kid is black, etc, shows that the observation isn't hers and neither is the "racism"--it's part of the book's promotion.

RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 10:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, any one of us could have written a "31 songs".

Nick Hornby is not young, though

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 10:36 (twenty-one years ago)

31 Songs should never have been written!

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 10:37 (twenty-one years ago)

And if anyone wants to argue with me, do it on these boards and don't clog up my personal mailbox. Thank you for your help in this matter.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 10:43 (twenty-one years ago)

wow

RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 10:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I haven't read the book so won't comment on its quality.

have you read '31 songs'? i think this is key. as i said, everything about the book that i have read spelled 'awful'. same goes for '31 songs', which i also have not read. in an ideal world we'd read everything before coming to judgement but life's too short.

Nonetheless this is a kneejerk reaction symptomatic of institutionalised racism, namely that the only reason black people achieve anything is Because They're Black, which is just one microscopic state away from saying that the only reason black people get allocated council houses is Because They're Black.

no, because the PR for the book strongly positioned the book as being by a Young Black Writer. a *very* young black writer. it's the publishing/media nexus who have made this, rather than the quality of the book, the focus of discussion. if anyone wants to argue that it was published on its merits as literature, they should do so, but it;s too easy to cry racist here.

N_RQ, Tuesday, 17 May 2005 10:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Have you read my previous posts? If so you wouldn't have needed to ask that first question.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 10:51 (twenty-one years ago)

This was a good thread.

Ally C (Ally C), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 10:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Kirsten, let's collaborate on a short NOVELLA. IT'LL BE A SMASH HIT.

jill schoelen is the queen of my dreams! (Homosexual II), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 10:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I agree with ally c.

posts should come with pronunciation keys.

cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 11:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Marcello Carlin OTM.

mfa dooom, Tuesday, 17 May 2005 11:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Geez, I saw that last one and worried I'd gotten overdrunk and started posting last night.

Stencil, yeah, there's not the same risk of active debt with book publishing, but there is the same future-viability thing. If you get some massive advance that you can't earn out, that's a blot for the next one you try to sell -- "that last book didn't even earn through the advance" -- and so on. Big advance means high expectations, which is a bad thing if those expectations are unreasonable; on the other hand, it means more attention and marketing effort and all of that stuff, which is a good thing if the expectations are reasonable.

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 16:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Mandee, I think we should revive the idea of "Saxophone Tears".

kirsten (kirsten), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 17:20 (twenty-one years ago)


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