You get used to the culture wars and the Christian right, and then something like this comes along...

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I was floored by this. Then quit!
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4652240

― Super Cub (Debito), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 01:02 (twenty-one years ago)

"Saving lives interferes with the purity of God's great creation!"

I could be one of those surgeons.

― Autumn Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 01:16 (twenty-one years ago)

This is probably a stupid question.. but how many fundamentalist Christian surgeons do any of you guys know?

Maybe I assume too much. And I do often. But surgeons are required to have extensive knowledge in biology, which often has a prerequisite for being fully indoctrinated in the tenets of evolution... which is something I'd find hard to just forgo "in the name of God" if it came to saving one's life. I'd imagine such surgeons' careers wouldn't last long.

― donut debonair (donut), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 01:25 (twenty-one years ago)

You'd be amazed how many "great scientists" and "great doctors" are heavily christian. I certainly am.

― Autumn Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 01:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Amazed, or heavily Christian?

― kirsten (kirsten), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 01:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Sorry.

― kirsten (kirsten), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 01:35 (twenty-one years ago)

I think they go "okay, so the left ventricle pumps blood through to the heart which separates haemoglobins and white blood cells, all of which was created by GOD"

xpost: Hah.

― Autumn Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 01:35 (twenty-one years ago)

The concept of this is utterly terrifying. Remind me never to get sick in the deep south.

― Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 01:41 (twenty-one years ago)

eleven months pass...

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/05/17/unmarried.ap/index.html

BLACK JACK, Missouri (AP) -- The City Council has rejected a measure allowing unmarried couples with multiple children to live together, and the mayor said those who fall into that category could soon face eviction.

― JW (ex machina), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 15:48 (twenty years ago)

The town is actually called Black Jack?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 15:51 (twenty years ago)

Yup. http://www.cityofblackjack.com/default.asp?javascript=1

― patita (patita), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 20:15 (twenty years ago)

"To nominate a home for the 2006 Pride of Home Ownership Awards. Click on the nomination menu on the left side of the screen."

― JW (ex machina), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 20:42 (twenty years ago)

wow, how pro-family

just another step in the whole "chunks of USA turning into the ukraine" project we've got going on, i guess

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 20:46 (twenty years ago)

I am hanging out with a Ukranian later :D

― JW (ex machina), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 20:49 (twenty years ago)

Also, they have no property tax!

― JW (ex machina), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 21:26 (twenty years ago)

Hey! On behalf of Ukraine, I object! What's the connection?

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 21:34 (twenty years ago)

occupancy permit

"You don't need a license for your cat!"

"I bloody well do and I've got one! Can't be caught out there!"

― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 21:41 (twenty years ago)

Nairn in 5..4...3...

― John Justen (johnjusten), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 21:43 (twenty years ago)

Interesting case. The nuances would be different if this story had been reported as an ordiance that prohibited more than three people from living in a single-family dwelling unless they are related by blood, marriage, or adoption. But because they go about it by saying "a family" has permission to occupy the home, then instead of simply being WTF, it raises all these moralistic issues (and is WTF).

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 21:53 (twenty years ago)

mitya i'm generalizing but ukraine and western ukraine especially i've been told is chock-a-block with backwards, superstitious good old boys eking it out amongst a decaying infrastructure

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 21:56 (twenty years ago)

not the way i'd characterize it - although not necessarily wrong, I guess. a strange first image to pop into your mind, though.

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 22:16 (twenty years ago)

belarus would probably be a better analogy than ukraine, but i am being pedantic now :-p

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 18 May 2006 01:20 (twenty years ago)

oh yeah this is near me (well next county over anyway). That CNN story did a shit job of explaining what led up to the vote, this is a more informative story.

― teeny (teeny), Thursday, 18 May 2006 01:48 (twenty years ago)

an ordiance that prohibited more than three people from living in a single-family dwelling unless they are related by blood, marriage, or adoption

Wait, but isn't the kid related to both parents by blood???

Does this mean you also couldn't have two single mothers, each with one child, living in the same home? What about four students in a four-bedroom house?

― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Thursday, 18 May 2006 01:55 (twenty years ago)

Fondray Loving and Olivia Shelltrack !! god i love the South.

no way this has to do with the fact that she's a nice-lookin white woman and he's a black man. hmm mm nope nope

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 18 May 2006 02:02 (twenty years ago)

Nairn in 5..4...3...

-- John Justen (johnjuste...), May 17th, 2006.

he's busy playing w/ fireworks

― late to the bloom to the er (latebloomer), Thursday, 18 May 2006 02:07 (twenty years ago)

http://images.stltoday.com/stltoday/resources/bjack27big.jpg

L-R: Dave Chappelle, that cutie fencer NYU chick from Real World Season 4: London, good-hearted christian

― Jimmy Mod is a super idol of The MARS SPIRIT (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Thursday, 18 May 2006 02:11 (twenty years ago)

I think the statute is being interpreted like this:

an ordiance that prohibited more than three people from living in a single-family dwelling unless they are [ALL] related by blood, marriage, or adoption

...one of the kids is not related to the adult male in the household, and the mom and dad are not related by marriage.

anyway, the latest.

― teeny (teeny), Thursday, 18 May 2006 12:47 (twenty years ago)

Black Jack resident Rose Curtis, 65, said she thought the City Council made the right decision.

"As a woman, I'm not going to let a man have babies by me and not marry me," Curtis said. "I think it was a fair decision. It's cut and dried."

― beanz (beanz), Thursday, 18 May 2006 12:58 (twenty years ago)

Dried being the operative word, old-timer.

― Crimea River (Mark C), Thursday, 18 May 2006 13:01 (twenty years ago)

"We are not old men. We don't have your petty morals."

― The Jazz Guide to Penguins on Compact Disc (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 18 May 2006 13:05 (twenty years ago)

What about four students in a four-bedroom house?

I think that's exactly what these types of ordinances are designed to prohibit. Families don't want a frat moving into their neighborhood. No one thought it would be extended to apply to common law marriages.

― o. nate (onate), Thursday, 18 May 2006 13:12 (twenty years ago)

This is perplexing! Does it mean living together as a couple without being married is allowed, except if you have kids?

― indolent girl (indolent girl), Thursday, 18 May 2006 13:17 (twenty years ago)

Technically, I guess one could interpret the statue that way, but I don't think that was the intention, and from what it sounds like, they're not planning to enforce it that way either.

― o. nate (onate), Thursday, 18 May 2006 13:20 (twenty years ago)

Unmarrieds can live together no problem as long as they have only one child

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 18 May 2006 13:32 (twenty years ago)

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