irvine welsh - C or D?

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classic.

ppp, Wednesday, 18 May 2005 15:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Patchy.
I liked Trainspotting a lot at the time.
I liked bits of Acid House (espcecially A Smart Cunt).
I liked Maribou Stork Nightmares, but it's a bit too dark to make me want to re-read it.
The first two stories in Acid House were utter shite, the third one was pretty good (especially where the bloke is tripping).
Filth is great.
Glue is a good story, badly told.
Porno is just terrible.

He's outstayed his welcome really. In the early days I would say he was best sticking to what he knew (ie junky low-life in Scotland). Whenever he tried something else (eg London football hooligans) it just didn't work. Nowadays I'd say he doesn't even do the Scottish stuff that well. He's drifted into self-parody. Also, when a book (like Glue) is written in the first person through the eyes of someone who's really inarticulate it doesn't make for that good a read.

Teh HoBB (the pirate king), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 16:26 (twenty-one years ago)

im going to say dud. i mean, thank god for trainspotting, but i just couldnt get through acid house or maribou stork nightmares.

I'd be interested to know how many americans could understand trainspotting what with being written phonetically and all. i think I only grasped it because i had, unfortunately, been hanging out with a glaswegian for a year or so.

sunny successor (katharine), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 16:32 (twenty-one years ago)

oh poor you, how you have suffered etc

zappi (joni), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 17:03 (twenty-one years ago)

he seemed pretty nice, in a genuine way, when i met him at a reading/signing a few years ago. not all of his stuff is great lit or anything, but it's usually pretty engaging and a fun trashy read (at the least).

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 17:55 (twenty-one years ago)

FILTH is a great book. The whole scene in Amsterdam is the wildest, scummiest, most debauched piece of writing ever. And the ending is just totally FUCKED! It's like the Marquis de Sade crossed with Hunter S. Thompson. Classic.

everything, Wednesday, 18 May 2005 20:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I agree with Jamie, patchy.

Trainspotting was great at the time, although re-reading isn't nearly as rewarding. It still works best as a series of shorts, and benefits from reading that way.
The Acid House reads like a James Kelman tribute (except The Granton Star Cause) and is all the weaker for it. Some of it, however, is amongst the best stuff he's written (such as A Smart Cunt - despite that being the most Kelman-esque).
Maribou Stork Nightmares is the most complete book he's written, and probably the best, but re-reading is an effort akin to working through Celine or Hubert Selby Jr. The African plot is a joy.
Only the third story is any good in Ecstacy. Still, that's what happens when you write as a "celebrity".
Filth is utter shite, and largely unreadable. More "celebrity" writing, only experimental. His 'Kid A'. Only irredeemably shite.
Glue is a return to form, and creates a set of characters as memorable as Trainspotting - albeit with a kind of wishy-washy Liberalism beginning to pervade what appear to be the most sympathetic.
Porno is what it's supposed to be - the novelisation of the script to "Trainspotting 2". It does well at amalgamating the two character sets (Trainspotting and Glue) into one coherent history and would have made a great film.

Possibly the best work not hugely published is "The Rosewell Incident", printed in "Children Of Albion Rovers".

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 20:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Possibly the best work not hugely published is "The Rosewell Incident", printed in "Children Of Albion Rovers".

I forgot about that one - aliens taking over Scotland, wasn't it? There was another good short story in a compilation of various authors' short stories (possibly called Disco Biscuits). If I remember rightly it involves two mates having a night out with a dead bloke that they keep failing to get rid of.

Teh HoBB (the pirate king), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 20:29 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...
Bump.

'Wedding Belles' on C4 last night. Co-written with Dean Cavanagh - billed by some as a "female Trainspotting" which was well wide of the mark - but it was still an excellent seedy darkly comic & tragic take on Embra life. Best thing Welsh has written since Glue. Great performances from the four leads, especially Shirley Henderson.

"I snorted a deid dug by accident when ah wis buying the guns!"

Anyone know of any t0rr3ntz?

onimo, Friday, 30 March 2007 10:11 (nineteen years ago)

I loved it while I was watching it -- he really has a great ear, and it's about the only time Scottish accents don't sound cringe-worthy on TV (compare River City). But at the end I was left wondering what the point was. Did it have anything to it beyond "love can be right fucked up"?

stet, Friday, 30 March 2007 10:18 (nineteen years ago)

compare River City

Hey, haud oan, the wee neddy guy's brilliant

Tom D., Friday, 30 March 2007 10:19 (nineteen years ago)

Did it have anything to it beyond "love can be right fucked up"?

Not really, I suppose. People are fucked, things are shite, but we try to get by and hopefully get wasted now and then.

Welsh, IMO, writes some of the best and most believable dialogue I've read. I'm quite happy not to have a defined "point" to a story as long as he moves characters from one place to another and has enough laughs and pathos in between.

The greetin' match in the last half hour was heavy going.

"Ye shagged a dug?"
"That dug wis asking fur it!"

"She was a manic depressive."
"Thank fuck for that!"

onimo, Friday, 30 March 2007 10:27 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah!

The last thing I remember watching of his was "Acid House".

The book I loved but when I saw "Screenplay by Irvine Welsh" I was "uh-oh" and I was right.

Mark G, Friday, 30 March 2007 10:31 (nineteen years ago)

River City is pretty good, imo. it makes me laugh, anyway.

as for this, it was classic for this line alone:

"have ye read "Lionel Richie's Wardrobe" by J. R. Hartley?"

jed_, Friday, 30 March 2007 10:37 (nineteen years ago)

Now that was a joke waiting for an outlet.

As well as the Dinnerparty host "no-one in Scotland is like that!" while shouting down his wife.

Mark G, Friday, 30 March 2007 10:38 (nineteen years ago)

the "charlie" joke was totally forced and ovius too but still managed to be funny.

jed_, Friday, 30 March 2007 10:41 (nineteen years ago)

(remind me)

Mark G, Friday, 30 March 2007 10:42 (nineteen years ago)

"i like yer stash box"

jed_, Friday, 30 March 2007 10:45 (nineteen years ago)

Was the dinner party host Archie from Balamory?

onimo, Friday, 30 March 2007 10:46 (nineteen years ago)

xpost Oh that one, yep the obv.

Also "Archie! Of course!"

Plus Claire Grogan spotted.

Mark G, Friday, 30 March 2007 10:48 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, Claire Grogan sadly removed from my crush list after that :(

onimo, Friday, 30 March 2007 10:53 (nineteen years ago)

mrs fiendish: "bloody hell, clare grogan looks rough."

me: "IT'S MAKE-UP. IT'S MAKE-UP. IT HAS TO BE MAKE-UP."

:(

anyway. enjoyable, yes; far better than i expected. but, like stet says: the point? i'm a little concerned it was nothing more than: "women, eh? they all want to get married, even if it's to a dick. tchah."

the problem with irvine welsh writing stuff like this is it begins to look like irvine-welsh-by-numbers. what would be really shocking is if he did something that didn't involve the seedy underbelly of blah yawn my god is it 2007 already?

but shirley henderson was absolutely wonderful (stet: was it just me thought she sounded like a female version of our lugubrious, orange-jacketed, font-disc-snaffling chum?) and ... ach, i'm just picking holes. more well-acted original drama with fine ensemble casts on the telly, please.

the bloke who played the psychiatric hospital boss: where do i know him from?

oh, and the scene where rhona turns up in the taxt to buy the gun ... that was the same location as when the taxi picks up the OD-ed renton in trainspotting, right?

grimly fiendish, Friday, 30 March 2007 22:00 (nineteen years ago)

taxi, even. sorry, bit pissed.

grimly fiendish, Friday, 30 March 2007 22:01 (nineteen years ago)


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