Can an Irish be a WASP?

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rouge golfer wants to know...

― The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Thursday, 19 May 2005 17:12 (twenty-one years ago)

If they are protestant, I would think they could be.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 19 May 2005 17:14 (twenty-one years ago)

No.

― giboyeux (skowly), Thursday, 19 May 2005 17:14 (twenty-one years ago)

are Celts distinct from Anglo-Saxons?

― The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Thursday, 19 May 2005 17:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Isn't WASP kind of redundant? I mean, what are the chances of running into a Korean Anglo-Saxon Protestant? They should just be ASPs, it works just as well.

― nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 19 May 2005 17:22 (twenty-one years ago)

yes and what about non-miscegenated angles and saxons? this term is offensively imprecise.

― g e o f f (gcannon), Thursday, 19 May 2005 17:25 (twenty-one years ago)

stinging insects, deadly snakes what's the dif?

― The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Thursday, 19 May 2005 17:25 (twenty-one years ago)

As an atheist 'Anglo-Saxon', I find this worrisome. Am I an AAS or an ASA? Actually, come to think of it, I'm part Irish and part Danish. Anglo-Saxon Irish Danish Atheist or ASIDA which sounds like something someone might have inadvertantly blurted out at a Dead show.

― M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 19 May 2005 17:32 (twenty-one years ago)

i thought the angles were from denmark?

― g e o f f (gcannon), Thursday, 19 May 2005 17:33 (twenty-one years ago)

We should really googleproof this thread before the Jutes show up and complain.

― nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 19 May 2005 17:34 (twenty-one years ago)

people think i look jutish

― g e o f f (gcannon), Thursday, 19 May 2005 17:35 (twenty-one years ago)

http://dr.jones.free.fr/spielberg/images/films/minority/image2.jpg

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 19 May 2005 17:37 (twenty-one years ago)

people think i look jutish

Are they telling you you're a kent? [/british enthno-linguistic humor]

― M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 19 May 2005 17:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I think you could have have an Irish Wasp, waspiness is more of an attitude than an ethnic or religious designation. If you get literal about the "White Anglo-Saxon Protestant" thing then most Hell's Angels and Appalachian Hill-folk would qualify as WASPs.

― Richard Bumgartner, Thursday, 19 May 2005 23:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Jutish-American Princess?

― Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 20 May 2005 02:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh jeez. This is so simple. An Irish can pass for a WASP, so in the metaphysics of race idiocy, an Irish can be a WASP, until outed as a WIP or a WIRC.

BTW, I am sure that in Saxony the natives look down their noses at the half-breeds in Anglo-Saxony.

― Aimless (Aimless), Friday, 20 May 2005 02:24 (twenty-one years ago)

No. Obviously not.

That WASP is redundant, of course it is, doesn't allow Celts into the club.

If Irish-Catholics can be WASPs--and obviously they can't be--then any white person can be a WASP--and obviously he can't be.

― Pict-Norman, Friday, 20 May 2005 02:58 (twenty-one years ago)

This is like asking if Robin Williams can be funny. No.

― Pict-Norman, Friday, 20 May 2005 03:00 (twenty-one years ago)

No, but an Irish can be a BEE!

― Orbit (Orbit), Friday, 20 May 2005 03:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually, technically they very much can be, in every sense of the word, thanks to Henry VIII and the colonisation of Northern Ireland.

But is WASP an actual acronym for a certain racial and religious ngroup, or just a subculture within America? Lots of American "WASPs" turn out to actually be Scandinavian or Scots in genetic origin, on closer examination.

― The Square Root Of Negative Two (kate), Friday, 20 May 2005 10:05 (twenty-one years ago)

are Celts distinct from Anglo-Saxons?

Don't they teach kids nuthin' these days?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 20 May 2005 10:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Surely people of Scandinavian origin ARE WASPs?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 20 May 2005 10:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Anglo-Saxons were from the lowlands between Germany and Denmark. That is not technically part of Scandinavia.

― The Square Root Of Negative Two (kate), Friday, 20 May 2005 10:11 (twenty-one years ago)

OK, there's a lot of Danes in England thanks to the Danelaw, but *technically* those were the actual Anglo-Saxons worst enemies! Remember Alfred the Great?

― The Square Root Of Negative Two (kate), Friday, 20 May 2005 10:12 (twenty-one years ago)

But isn't the Anglo-Saxon here a kind of shorthand for English and/or Northern Europeans? The Anglo-Saxon obviously is designed to exclude people of Latin and Slavic origin - tho lots of Germanic people are Catholic, of course. As for the Celts that's obv. to exclude the Irish as the Scots are (or were) mostly gungho Proddies.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 20 May 2005 10:13 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah iwouldn;t get toooo anal about the exact location of anglo-saxonia on this one!

― N_RQ, Friday, 20 May 2005 10:28 (twenty-one years ago)

No, Anglo-Saxon means Angles, Saxons and Jutes. No Danes, no Normans, no Celts, no Scandinavians and the PROTESTANT bit discounts the German Catholics.

― The Square Root Of Negative Two (kate), Friday, 20 May 2005 10:29 (twenty-one years ago)

For instance, you surely can't get more WASPish than some of those old Yankee Dutch families! Even "Yankee" is Dutch!

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 20 May 2005 10:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Anglo-Saxon could mean people from England, Germany or the northern Netherlands; but usually is just used to mean the English.

As for the Celts that's obv. to exclude the Irish as the Scots are (or were) mostly gungho Proddies.

Apart from the ones who weren't, of course. The Scots dividing line was *much* clearer before the Romantic "highland revival" of the early 19th century, spearheaded by Walter Scott and friends. Essentially, your average 18th Century educated Scottish lowlander spoke Scots, was Protestant, considered himself as Germanic as your average Anglo-Saxon, and thought that all those people up in the Highlands were dirty, illiterate Irish savages. ("Celtic", although invented as a linguistic term in the 17th century, didn't really receive its modern meaning until the Romantic movement got well under way)

― caitlin (caitlin), Friday, 20 May 2005 10:31 (twenty-one years ago)

... so Roosevelt wasn't a WASP then? (xpost)

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 20 May 2005 10:31 (twenty-one years ago)

"No Danes, no Normans, no Celts"

autobiography of king harold

― N_RQ, Friday, 20 May 2005 10:33 (twenty-one years ago)

"No Danes, no Normans and no Cel-tics/ In 1066"

(to the tune of "1977" by Ye Clashe)

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 20 May 2005 10:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Northern Dutch and Frisians are definitely Anglo-Saxon. Yankee Dutch are indeed WASP. Us Highland Scots, however, are technically not. I like being a savage.

― The Square Root Of Negative Two (kate), Friday, 20 May 2005 10:42 (twenty-one years ago)

In America, WASP = Episcopalian/Presbyterian with all the attendant DAR snobbery attached. Although it has to be said that Dutch Calvinists (eg. Roosevelt family) and Huguenots (my gran's lot and Paul Revere's lot) arrived in the early 17th century, BEFORE most of the British emigrants. As my gran was VERY fond of telling me.

Scandinavian or German Protestants are almost always Lutherans. Go to Minnesota or Wisconsin if you want to see Lutherans in groups, trying to run things. Smelt fry, anyone?

― suzy (suzy), Friday, 20 May 2005 10:56 (twenty-one years ago)

They should change the term if they're not going to be historically accurate. Humph! Some snobs, can't even get their facts straight.

― The Square Root Of Negative Two (kate), Friday, 20 May 2005 11:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Where do the Welsh fit into this?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 20 May 2005 11:03 (twenty-one years ago)

THE WELSH STOLE MY SHOES!!!

― The Square Root Of Negative Two (kate), Friday, 20 May 2005 11:04 (twenty-one years ago)

... I was just having a conversation with my boss who, being American, was telling me that she was one-sixteenth Austrian Jew and she also had some "Welsh blood" but that her (English) husband told her not to mention that fact 'cos the English love to slag off the Welsh and I said, the English love to slag off everyone who isn't English

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 20 May 2005 11:15 (twenty-one years ago)

The Welsh are a different *kind* of Celtic - i.e. they are Brythonic Celts unlike the Goedelic Celts of Scotland and Ireland.

So they're Celts, just not as good as us Scottish ones.

― The Square Root Of Negative Two (kate), Friday, 20 May 2005 11:18 (twenty-one years ago)

... but then she (she's mostly Irish) said the ancestry she was most ashamed of was her English ancestry!

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 20 May 2005 11:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, better Welsh than English. Which is what I tell my Welsh friends. Between making fun of their ridiculous languages and ~~silly~~ pretty ginger hair.

― The Square Root Of Negative Two (kate), Friday, 20 May 2005 11:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Except the Welsh aren't really that ginger, that's the Scots and the Irish - Goedelic Ginger Mingers

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 20 May 2005 11:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Welsh are often quite dark - like the Irish in some ways

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 20 May 2005 11:23 (twenty-one years ago)

The Welsh are a different *kind* of Celtic - i.e. they are Brythonic Celts unlike the Goedelic Celts of Scotland and Ireland.

That's a purely *linguistic* division, though.

I like Welsh. The only Welsh I know, though, is the Welsh you get on road signs: "Arafwch Nawr", "Llwybr Cyhoeddus" and suchlike.

― caitlin (caitlin), Friday, 20 May 2005 11:24 (twenty-one years ago)

(I know, I know, most Welsh are not ginger they're dark like the Picts and the Cornish, it was just funny because all three of the Welsh I know - well, not the only Welsh I know, but the three Welsh that happened to be at my last party - were all ginger and this was a source of great amusement to us.)

― The Square Root Of Negative Two (kate), Friday, 20 May 2005 11:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I blame the Vikings

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 20 May 2005 11:27 (twenty-one years ago)

A couple of post I was going to post this:

I just thought I'd better mention the Picts before Kate does

... but I wasn't quick enough!

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 20 May 2005 11:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I like Vikings. We're not going to get into my secret "Hello, vee vill be your Sex Vikings for the evening" sex fantasies. But all Scots are 30% Viking anyway. It was Proven By Science.

― The Square Root Of Negative Two (kate), Friday, 20 May 2005 11:32 (twenty-one years ago)

They certainly put it about a bit those Vikings

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 20 May 2005 11:34 (twenty-one years ago)

We're not going to get into my secret "Hello, vee vill be your Sex Vikings for the evening" sex fantasies.

Oh, go on!

― caitlin (caitlin), Friday, 20 May 2005 11:36 (twenty-one years ago)

No, the last time I started this, bad things happened.

"Hello, I am Magnus and these are my friends Jan and Anders and vee vill be your Sex Vikings for the eeevening, would you like to run your fingers through my blond chesthair..."

― The Square Root Of Negative Two (kate), Friday, 20 May 2005 11:37 (twenty-one years ago)

"Ja! Ja! Ja!"

http://www.knowname.com/images/vikings_logo_1_.gif

― suzy (suzy), Friday, 20 May 2005 11:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh boy, TMI, you can delete that one if anyone in particular complains about it!

― The Square Root Of Negative Two (kate), Friday, 20 May 2005 11:38 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.turuntaidemuseo.fi/im/magnus_enckell.jpg

― The Square Root Of Negative Two (kate), Friday, 20 May 2005 11:43 (twenty-one years ago)

http://longstrom.com/longstrom/magnus%20by%20pool%20viking.jpg

― The Square Root Of Negative Two (kate), Friday, 20 May 2005 11:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Those bloody Vikings are always first to the pool

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 20 May 2005 11:47 (twenty-one years ago)

What is a Wasp?

― Nellie (nellskies), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:01 (twenty-one years ago)

the bad guys in Caddyshack

― The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Welsh are often quite dark - like the Irish in some ways

Isn't the word 'welsh' from the Old English for 'dark foreigner'?

― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:16 (twenty-one years ago)

oh.

― Nellie (nellskies), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:18 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.imosh.com/LEATHER/images/WASP%20pic.JPG

― msp (mspa), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:26 (twenty-one years ago)

oh wait, this isn't "Can an Irish be a WASP fan?" ... shoot.
m.

― msp (mspa), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't believe this thread managed to go from bad jokes to an actual discussion of WASP stock!

― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 20 May 2005 16:11 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...

um, aren't the anglo-irish (upper crusty types in eire descended from english gentry) pretty much the model for ralph lauren-style waspiness? irish catholics are NOT wasps, no matter how hard they may aspire to that shit (sorry Kennedys et al)

― gershy, Friday, 9 March 2007 09:07 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, I thought Ed had revived this thread to talk about how the English are actually originally from Basque stock, not Celtic stock due to new genetic tests. (And play some accordion music.)

― Masonic Boom, Friday, 9 March 2007 11:43 (nineteen years ago)

Celtic Schmeltic, it's all bollocks anyway

― Tom D., Friday, 9 March 2007 11:44 (nineteen years ago)

Shut up, clearly you are not 30% Viking!

― Masonic Boom, Friday, 9 March 2007 11:45 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.mbl.is/svipmyndir/syningar/nirland/paisley.jpg

― The Real Dirty Vicar, Saturday, 10 March 2007 11:04 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.fantasyarts.net/Fairy/w-b-yeats.jpg

― The Real Dirty Vicar, Saturday, 10 March 2007 11:07 (nineteen years ago)

An Irish National descended from Anglo-Saxon stock, yes.
A full/half/etc. blood Gael, no.

― Windy G Moisture, Saturday, 10 March 2007 15:44 (nineteen years ago)

nine years pass...

Those bloody Vikings are always first to the pool
― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, May 20, 2005 4:47 AM (eleven years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

worth highlighting

― F♯ A♯ (∞), Friday, 27 January 2017 19:36 (nine years ago)

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