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What is it about some managers?

I work in a record store in an Urb*n Outf*tters, but we're our own company and we have a different manager etc.

So I was in work on Saturday, and we play the music for the store. And as I left on my break the Urban manager called me over and said "Ronan, a tip for you, stop with the hard techno all day every day"

Now we write down what we play and because of this I was certain all I'd played that was hard was Vitalic, for 10 minutes, mainly because it sells everytime you play it, good for Urban, good for us, etc.

So I said this, I said look at the playlist, or my playlists any other day, and you'll see, very little hard techno. On Saturday there was barely even any other dance cd besides Vitalic, not even deep house or anything.

And he was just like "Oh that sells, right Ronan I believe you" all condescending. Then as I went to leave thinking to just ignore him, he calls me back and goes "One question for you, when all's said and done, who controls the music here Ronan? Who does that?"

So obviously I had to go "YOU DO ANDY" like a sap.

I told my actual boss and having looked at my playlist he agreed it wasn't a fair accusation,and said he'd have a word with the UO manager. Today it emerges that he said to our new worker last week: "don't go down the Ronan route of techno techno techno all day long".

It's completely unfounded, if it was true I wouldn't think this was just an attempt to get at me but as I say, we write down what we play daily and my list of stuff is no harder than anyone elses.

Part of it I feel is that I'm younger than the other staff, except the new guy, so I obviously have the reputation as being the party kid of our shop, and hence he just has this idea in his head, but I am also sure it's my age that means he feels he can have a go, the other non-manager working with us is 29 or so.

It really fucking bugs me, I don't feel intimidated by the guy on a personal level, but it's not a level playing field because I can't say anything back to him. It bugs me more that he's attempting to bully me, rather than me actually feeling bullied, if the difference there makes sense. Why would he bother?

It's funny because the same guy remarked to one of the girls at work a few months back, after I left, "you know, Ronan is actually scared of me", and you just think what a complete fucking loser!

And at the same time I'm annoyed at myself for letting it get to me. What do you do in such a situation? I guess telling my own boss was the only really worthwhile course of action.


Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 22 May 2005 19:09 (twenty-one years ago)

that's totally annoying dude. ESPECIALLY what he said to the girl at work. that would drive me up the wall! i think you did the right thing though.

s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 22 May 2005 19:13 (twenty-one years ago)

I know it's so petty, as is probably obvious round here, I have a short temper, I don't know how I didn't just tell him to go fuck himself, it's really soured work for me, don't want to go in tomorrow.

Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 22 May 2005 19:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Sounds like you're doing the right thing. At least for your own pride.

You also sound like you should be treated better as an emloyee on a personal level. Which you should.

As for the bottom line.. can you afford to deal with the possible repercussions of what's to follow if you hold your pride... I don't know. You know the answer to that question better than I do.

And it's obviously easier for me to say this and be in your shoes and do it, but I'd just be very diligent and stand your ground as you seem to be doing. If you have a choice to play music as any other employee does, just do it. Just because it doesn't fit what the other employees may play as well (and this I don't know) shouldn't matter. If your boss wants to single you out and not only let you have your choice but let the others, then at that point, decide whether it's worth the pain to stay on and comply, or look to head somewhere else. Again, I don't know how much you enjoy your job, outside this issue, or not.

Then again, think of it this way, if you think your boss enjoys bullying employees around, and then you leave (either by your will or not), he won't have anyone else to bully around anymore. I'm not suggesting you stick around as a punching bag. I'm just suggesting that you may be a far more important to him than he's letting on. If you tell him, in far more polite terms, "why are you singling me out? There's no proof what I'm doing is hurting business at all whatsoever.", then the ball's in his court. Unfortunately, this raises the stakes, and if he decides to let you go, then you have to find another job.

And again, easier said than done, but ultimately, life's too short to have to deal with pathetic bullying bosses in a retail environment. Either find a way to stop his bullying, or work on a way to avoid him from here on out.

donut debonair (donut), Sunday, 22 May 2005 19:18 (twenty-one years ago)

(easier for me to say this than be in your shoes...)

(single you out and not let.. [remove the "only"])

(and i was going to insert "don't fuck with me" in the "if you tell him" part, so it's already polite, haha.)

donut debonair (donut), Sunday, 22 May 2005 19:21 (twenty-one years ago)

sorry to hear you have to work with a dickhead

: (

RJG (RJG), Sunday, 22 May 2005 19:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Ronan, I reckon you need to play the new Primordial album in the shop ! [Ireland's finest contemporary dark metal band]

DJ Martian (djmartian), Sunday, 22 May 2005 19:26 (twenty-one years ago)

DON'T GO DOWN THE RONAN ROUTE
OF TECHNO TECHNO ALL DAY LONG
DON'T GO DOWN THE RONAN ROUTE
OF TECHNO TECHNO ALL DAY LONG

g e o f f (gcannon), Sunday, 22 May 2005 19:28 (twenty-one years ago)

maybe you should ask him to tell you next time when what he thinks is a "techno" tune that he has a problem with comes on, and you'll play something else. that shows that you're being reasonable and also clears any potential misunderstanding (maybe he just doesn't know what makes a tune techno)

ken c (ken c), Sunday, 22 May 2005 19:28 (twenty-one years ago)

haha dj martian i was going to say if it was me i probably would have played some heavy metal non stop for the next few days. (unless he likes it)

ken c (ken c), Sunday, 22 May 2005 19:29 (twenty-one years ago)

but does the shop sell Metal?

DJ Martian (djmartian), Sunday, 22 May 2005 19:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean, if fucking OLD NAVY can play *thump (hat) thump (hat) thump (hat) thump (hat) thump (hat)* all day long -- because, let's face it.. Vitalic and Paul Oakenfold are going to sound the same to people buying clothes in the end anyway as it's just "retail dance music" to them -- then why should it be any different at Urb*n *utf*tt*rs?

donut debonair (donut), Sunday, 22 May 2005 19:31 (twenty-one years ago)

(at least Old Navy didn't used to sell "Ghettopoly" nor did they sell T-shirts that say "Voting is for OLD PEOPLE", but I digress..)

donut debonair (donut), Sunday, 22 May 2005 19:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I should stress, he has no say whatsoever in the running of our business really, or in my employment. However since we are in their store and there is an arrangement re:rent and light and heat etc and our profits also, we obviously aim to get along well.

x-post, I would do that Ken, but he actually shouldn't really be paying any attention to what we're playing whatsoever.

I don't mean that in an impertinent way either, the given agreement is, we play the music for the store because we know the right music to play. There is a line which I think he's now crossed as regards control. I worry about the sort of pandora's box that's been opened now.

Now we are not infallible, but the fact is we are there to play the music for the shop, we are a business in our own right, saying we're doing this wrong is quite a step I think.

Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 22 May 2005 19:34 (twenty-one years ago)

And DB you must remember this is Europe, people actually buy dance stuff from hearing it instore, Vitalic is one of our best selling CDs, hence on a Saturday afternoon you fucking play it, like any other best seller, because the fact is we sell something like 50 percent of stock from people asking about stuff that's playing in the store.

Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 22 May 2005 19:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I should stress, he has no say whatsoever in the running of our business really, or in my employment. However since we are in their store and there is an arrangement re:rent and light and heat etc and our profits also, we obviously aim to get along well.

...

And DB you must remember this is Europe, people actually buy dance stuff from hearing it instore, Vitalic is one of our best selling CDs, hence on a Saturday afternoon you fucking play it, like any other best seller, because the fact is we sell something like 50 percent of stock from people asking about stuff that's playing in the store.

Hmmm. This makes him look far more like the problem than you. This is more of a confrontational dickwad fellow co-worker issue then.

Which doesn't necessarily make it any easier actually.

Do you have reason to believe that this guy is very well liked by your employers, and they will do what he suggests?

donut debonair (donut), Sunday, 22 May 2005 19:40 (twenty-one years ago)

And thanks for the clarification... *rb*n Outf*tt*rs in the U.S., musically speaking, all differ from region to region.. On the west coast, it's all about music from The O.C.... Death Cab For Cutie, Postal Service, Pinback, light poppy bedroom indie, etc.

donut debonair (donut), Sunday, 22 May 2005 19:43 (twenty-one years ago)

One day I walked into a Macy's one time and they were playing No Doubt's greatest hits. The cashier told me they had been playing it all day every day for a week and he couldn't take it anymore. I would have perfered techno to No Doubt. And you weren't even playing it all day.

A lot of stores seem to just play the radio. I usually don't care for the albums stores play, but one day my mom came home and she said they were playing Killing Joke (debt).

Usually bars play better music. Although when I was in Texas (the bars seem to blast their music much louder, or maybe more bars just have their doors open) and my mom and I walked past five bars. Three of them were playing the Strokes and I looked inside to find about 4 people in each. As we kept walking, we past maybe three more and two of those bars were playing QOTSA and they had at least 15 to 20 people in there.

Aja (aja), Sunday, 22 May 2005 19:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Three of them were playing the Strokes and I looked inside to find about 4 people in each. As we kept walking, we past maybe three more and two of those bars were playing QOTSA and they had at least 15 to 20 people in there

perhaps the QOTSA fans were just fatter and that made you think there were more people there.

ken c (ken c), Sunday, 22 May 2005 19:48 (twenty-one years ago)

There's just 4 of us in the record store part of the shop, my boss there is a good friend so there's no question of him not being fair. He also knows what the UO manager is like and I have mentioned him making unfounded accusations about stuff to me before, ie one day as I left he said "in and out of the shop, all day long" with a big sigh, when on the day in question I had been in once (on my way in), and out once (on my way out), and had no lunchbreak.

I just got a text from my boss explaining what happened when he spoke to UO manager, he claims the music wasn't suitable for the shop, when it was quiet, my boss said it was a good selling cd, he (the uo manager) then claimed he mentioned it to me and was "winding me up" about it.

Great windup which ends with "at the end of the day who is in charge here" when one person is staff eh? That's pretty much what I told my boss too.

Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 22 May 2005 19:50 (twenty-one years ago)

No, no!

There were obviously more people in the bars playing QOTSA. They also seemed to be having more fun.

Aja (aja), Sunday, 22 May 2005 19:53 (twenty-one years ago)

I like Ken's idea of giving him what he wants. Death metal, all day every day.

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 22 May 2005 19:54 (twenty-one years ago)

If you're not making customers scream "TURN THAT AWFUL SHIT OFF!" loud enough, they're too OLD!

donut debonair (donut), Sunday, 22 May 2005 19:56 (twenty-one years ago)

One thing I have learned from working there, you NEVER know when someone will ask about and buy something, no matter what your preconceptions about appearance etc etc

Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 22 May 2005 20:02 (twenty-one years ago)

What would have happened if, when he asked you who was in charge of the music, you had said "me and the people in the record store are."

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 22 May 2005 20:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Is there any opportunity to spit in his coffee?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 22 May 2005 20:11 (twenty-one years ago)

well he qualified it so many times while pointing at himself, and said "at the end of the day, when all's said and done" so many times it was obvious it wasn't actually a question as such.

I believe my boss has said this to him now, and asked that any future problems with the music be directed to him.

It also seems, though I put this down to utterly random specification of time by the UO manager, that the "techno" in question was not Vitalic but............British Sea Power????

Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 22 May 2005 20:12 (twenty-one years ago)

electric guitars are technologically complex!

ken c (ken c), Sunday, 22 May 2005 20:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Sounds like a bona fide piano-dropping moment, Ronan. I'm sure in his mind he was "winding you up," in the way that bullies do, where the line between wind-up and pure spite is so thin as to not be there at all.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 22 May 2005 20:17 (twenty-one years ago)

coming soon to Dublin, Phantom FM pumping out *techno* such as British Sea Power 24 hours a day !

DJ Martian (djmartian), Sunday, 22 May 2005 20:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I think so, plus as I say, no such thing as a wind up which involves emphasising an employee/boss divide which in reality does not actually exist, I am not his employee, he is not my boss, yet I work in his premises. I think he has a problem with this.

Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 22 May 2005 20:19 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, maybe it's kind of a power play

s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 22 May 2005 20:20 (twenty-one years ago)

That's the one thing keeping me from getting angry, I feel he is keen to make the relationship one of me as "that boss is a prick" employee and him as haranguing boss (who is not my boss), so I am very keen to just act "meh" and not let it get to me.

Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 22 May 2005 20:23 (twenty-one years ago)

With twat managers I tend to just try and be reasonable and affable by default, even when they've been a twat in the past. During the actual moments of twattishness you need to discover the optimum level of smug, detached amusement at their pettiness/mid-life crisis alpha-male bullshit that doesn't go far enough for them to be able to concretely call you out on it. If he's not actually in a position to fuck your job up with petty acts of spite down the line you're laughing.

M Philip O'Nyman (Ferg), Sunday, 22 May 2005 20:25 (twenty-one years ago)

thats pretty much it i think

reasonable and affable. its all one way then, and its difficult for them. most of the time they are trying to make you fuck up, and give them an excuse to do something. dont give them that excuse

charltonlido (gareth), Sunday, 22 May 2005 20:28 (twenty-one years ago)

my experience is that what a boss says never means what the words say, it's always a front for lurking resentments or something.

weird I was just about to start a thread about boss politics.

yeahh, Sunday, 22 May 2005 20:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Is there an opportunity to seduce his wife?

Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 22 May 2005 20:42 (twenty-one years ago)

If ever he has a leaving do just get drunk and heave a rock at him.

M Philip O'Nyman (Ferg), Sunday, 22 May 2005 20:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Reasonable and affable can get you dicked around as much as anything. I know at my job if I were tougher and more heartless & selfish I'd be more respected by my boss. My attempts at diplomacy are seen by her as either a.)vulnerabilities that as a boss it is her duty to exploit or b.)my attempt to patronize her since our "social stations" are the reverse of our job hierarchy.

yeahh, Sunday, 22 May 2005 21:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I think we need to fashion a playlist for Ronan: a CD-R for him to put on the day he resigns. It will be called: 'Techno Techno Techno All Day Long'.

1. The Mover - From A Lobotomised Mind

moley, Sunday, 22 May 2005 21:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, and the "I like to move it, move it" song.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 22 May 2005 21:26 (twenty-one years ago)

And Unit Moebius.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 22 May 2005 22:45 (twenty-one years ago)

And lots of Surgeon B-sides.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 22 May 2005 22:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Also Ronan in my experience these kinds of people give you more shit the better you are at your job.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 23 May 2005 01:20 (twenty-one years ago)

seven years pass...

http://www.theonion.com/articles/boss-has-deft-touch-for-making-employees-feel-like,32084/

food and boardgames and minimal techno (NotEnough), Saturday, 11 May 2013 11:55 (thirteen years ago)

three years pass...

... But neither his record of service as an educator and courtier, nor his presidency of the academy, nor his steadily growing list of scholarly publications could save Gundling from degenerating into a figure of ridicule at the court of Frederick William I. In February 1714, the King demanded that he delivered a lecture before the assembled guests on the existence (or not) of ghosts while taking regular draughts of strong drink. After much raucous hilarity, two grenadiers escorted the inebriated commercial councillor back to his room, where he shrieked with terror at the sight of a figure draped in a white sheet emerging from a corner.
Provocations of this kind soon became the norm. Gundling was confined in a chamber where the king kept a number of young bears while fireworks were rained down into the room from above; he was forced to wear outlandish courtly attire modelled loosely on French fashions, including a towering wig in an outdated style that belonged to the previous king; he was force-fed laxatives and locked in a cell overnight; he was pressed into a pistol duel with one of his chief tormentors, the joke being everyone but Gundling knew the weapons contained no shot. When Gundling refused to grasp or fire his gun, his opponent discharged a spray of burning powder into his face, setting fire to his wig, to the huge hilarity of all present

18th century style workplace bullying was brutally cruel in the court of Hitler's big hero, Fred The Great.

calzino, Sunday, 30 October 2016 12:19 (nine years ago)

And at the same time I'm annoyed at myself for letting it get to me.

This bit in Ronan's original post really resonates with me....I can rationalise that my boss is an insecure person, and that's they're acting like a tosser. But in spite of that, I churn things over in my mind, unable to let things go - and simultaneously get annoyed with letting things get to me.

Dr Drudge (Bob Six), Sunday, 30 October 2016 13:13 (nine years ago)

Even in death the king did not spare him humiliation. By royal command he had been compelled for a number of years to keep, in his bedroom, a coffin made from a varnished wine barrel, on which the following verse was written:

Here there lies within his skin
Half man, half pig, a wondrous thing
Clever in his youth, in old age not so bright,
Full of wit at morning, full of drink at night.
Let the voice of Bacchus sing
This, my child, is Gundeling
[...]
Reader, say can you divine
Whether he was man or swine?[10]

After he died, the king had his body paraded through the streets of Potsdam and then publicly displayed, wearing the outlandish costume he required Gundling to wear for his own amusement, propped up in the barrel. Various ribald songs were composed specially for his funeral, but the king's antics were so outrageous that the local clergy categorically refused to have anything to do with this parody of a funeral ceremony.[11] Instead, the funeral sermon was delivered by none other than Gundling's long-time tormentor, David Fassman.[12]

r|t|c, Sunday, 30 October 2016 13:19 (nine years ago)

A monkey, dressed as Gundling, was introduced to him as his own son, and he was compelled to embrace and kiss it.

r|t|c, Sunday, 30 October 2016 13:20 (nine years ago)

tbf "don't go down the ronan route of techno techno techno" is entirely how i live my life

mark s, Sunday, 30 October 2016 13:23 (nine years ago)

xp
lol! I haven't got that far in the Chris Clark book I was quoting, Gundling was virtually a prisoner because of his debts. Previously in Fred's dad's era he was a respectable courtier.

calzino, Sunday, 30 October 2016 13:28 (nine years ago)


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