I work in a record store in an Urb*n Outf*tters, but we're our own company and we have a different manager etc.
So I was in work on Saturday, and we play the music for the store. And as I left on my break the Urban manager called me over and said "Ronan, a tip for you, stop with the hard techno all day every day"
Now we write down what we play and because of this I was certain all I'd played that was hard was Vitalic, for 10 minutes, mainly because it sells everytime you play it, good for Urban, good for us, etc.
So I said this, I said look at the playlist, or my playlists any other day, and you'll see, very little hard techno. On Saturday there was barely even any other dance cd besides Vitalic, not even deep house or anything.
And he was just like "Oh that sells, right Ronan I believe you" all condescending. Then as I went to leave thinking to just ignore him, he calls me back and goes "One question for you, when all's said and done, who controls the music here Ronan? Who does that?"
So obviously I had to go "YOU DO ANDY" like a sap.
I told my actual boss and having looked at my playlist he agreed it wasn't a fair accusation,and said he'd have a word with the UO manager. Today it emerges that he said to our new worker last week: "don't go down the Ronan route of techno techno techno all day long".
It's completely unfounded, if it was true I wouldn't think this was just an attempt to get at me but as I say, we write down what we play daily and my list of stuff is no harder than anyone elses.
Part of it I feel is that I'm younger than the other staff, except the new guy, so I obviously have the reputation as being the party kid of our shop, and hence he just has this idea in his head, but I am also sure it's my age that means he feels he can have a go, the other non-manager working with us is 29 or so.
It really fucking bugs me, I don't feel intimidated by the guy on a personal level, but it's not a level playing field because I can't say anything back to him. It bugs me more that he's attempting to bully me, rather than me actually feeling bullied, if the difference there makes sense. Why would he bother?
It's funny because the same guy remarked to one of the girls at work a few months back, after I left, "you know, Ronan is actually scared of me", and you just think what a complete fucking loser!
And at the same time I'm annoyed at myself for letting it get to me. What do you do in such a situation? I guess telling my own boss was the only really worthwhile course of action.
― Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 22 May 2005 19:09 (twenty-one years ago)
― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 22 May 2005 19:13 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 22 May 2005 19:15 (twenty-one years ago)
You also sound like you should be treated better as an emloyee on a personal level. Which you should.
As for the bottom line.. can you afford to deal with the possible repercussions of what's to follow if you hold your pride... I don't know. You know the answer to that question better than I do.
And it's obviously easier for me to say this and be in your shoes and do it, but I'd just be very diligent and stand your ground as you seem to be doing. If you have a choice to play music as any other employee does, just do it. Just because it doesn't fit what the other employees may play as well (and this I don't know) shouldn't matter. If your boss wants to single you out and not only let you have your choice but let the others, then at that point, decide whether it's worth the pain to stay on and comply, or look to head somewhere else. Again, I don't know how much you enjoy your job, outside this issue, or not.
Then again, think of it this way, if you think your boss enjoys bullying employees around, and then you leave (either by your will or not), he won't have anyone else to bully around anymore. I'm not suggesting you stick around as a punching bag. I'm just suggesting that you may be a far more important to him than he's letting on. If you tell him, in far more polite terms, "why are you singling me out? There's no proof what I'm doing is hurting business at all whatsoever.", then the ball's in his court. Unfortunately, this raises the stakes, and if he decides to let you go, then you have to find another job.
And again, easier said than done, but ultimately, life's too short to have to deal with pathetic bullying bosses in a retail environment. Either find a way to stop his bullying, or work on a way to avoid him from here on out.
― donut debonair (donut), Sunday, 22 May 2005 19:18 (twenty-one years ago)
(single you out and not let.. [remove the "only"])
(and i was going to insert "don't fuck with me" in the "if you tell him" part, so it's already polite, haha.)
― donut debonair (donut), Sunday, 22 May 2005 19:21 (twenty-one years ago)
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― RJG (RJG), Sunday, 22 May 2005 19:22 (twenty-one years ago)
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Sunday, 22 May 2005 19:26 (twenty-one years ago)
― g e o f f (gcannon), Sunday, 22 May 2005 19:28 (twenty-one years ago)
― ken c (ken c), Sunday, 22 May 2005 19:28 (twenty-one years ago)
― ken c (ken c), Sunday, 22 May 2005 19:29 (twenty-one years ago)
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Sunday, 22 May 2005 19:30 (twenty-one years ago)
― donut debonair (donut), Sunday, 22 May 2005 19:31 (twenty-one years ago)
― donut debonair (donut), Sunday, 22 May 2005 19:33 (twenty-one years ago)
x-post, I would do that Ken, but he actually shouldn't really be paying any attention to what we're playing whatsoever.
I don't mean that in an impertinent way either, the given agreement is, we play the music for the store because we know the right music to play. There is a line which I think he's now crossed as regards control. I worry about the sort of pandora's box that's been opened now.
Now we are not infallible, but the fact is we are there to play the music for the shop, we are a business in our own right, saying we're doing this wrong is quite a step I think.
― Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 22 May 2005 19:34 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 22 May 2005 19:38 (twenty-one years ago)
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And DB you must remember this is Europe, people actually buy dance stuff from hearing it instore, Vitalic is one of our best selling CDs, hence on a Saturday afternoon you fucking play it, like any other best seller, because the fact is we sell something like 50 percent of stock from people asking about stuff that's playing in the store.
Hmmm. This makes him look far more like the problem than you. This is more of a confrontational dickwad fellow co-worker issue then.
Which doesn't necessarily make it any easier actually.
Do you have reason to believe that this guy is very well liked by your employers, and they will do what he suggests?
― donut debonair (donut), Sunday, 22 May 2005 19:40 (twenty-one years ago)
― donut debonair (donut), Sunday, 22 May 2005 19:43 (twenty-one years ago)
A lot of stores seem to just play the radio. I usually don't care for the albums stores play, but one day my mom came home and she said they were playing Killing Joke (debt).
Usually bars play better music. Although when I was in Texas (the bars seem to blast their music much louder, or maybe more bars just have their doors open) and my mom and I walked past five bars. Three of them were playing the Strokes and I looked inside to find about 4 people in each. As we kept walking, we past maybe three more and two of those bars were playing QOTSA and they had at least 15 to 20 people in there.
― Aja (aja), Sunday, 22 May 2005 19:45 (twenty-one years ago)
perhaps the QOTSA fans were just fatter and that made you think there were more people there.
― ken c (ken c), Sunday, 22 May 2005 19:48 (twenty-one years ago)
I just got a text from my boss explaining what happened when he spoke to UO manager, he claims the music wasn't suitable for the shop, when it was quiet, my boss said it was a good selling cd, he (the uo manager) then claimed he mentioned it to me and was "winding me up" about it.
Great windup which ends with "at the end of the day who is in charge here" when one person is staff eh? That's pretty much what I told my boss too.
― Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 22 May 2005 19:50 (twenty-one years ago)
There were obviously more people in the bars playing QOTSA. They also seemed to be having more fun.
― Aja (aja), Sunday, 22 May 2005 19:53 (twenty-one years ago)
― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 22 May 2005 19:54 (twenty-one years ago)
― donut debonair (donut), Sunday, 22 May 2005 19:56 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 22 May 2005 20:02 (twenty-one years ago)
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 22 May 2005 20:07 (twenty-one years ago)
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 22 May 2005 20:11 (twenty-one years ago)
I believe my boss has said this to him now, and asked that any future problems with the music be directed to him.
It also seems, though I put this down to utterly random specification of time by the UO manager, that the "techno" in question was not Vitalic but............British Sea Power????
― Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 22 May 2005 20:12 (twenty-one years ago)
― ken c (ken c), Sunday, 22 May 2005 20:15 (twenty-one years ago)
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 22 May 2005 20:17 (twenty-one years ago)
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Sunday, 22 May 2005 20:19 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 22 May 2005 20:19 (twenty-one years ago)
― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 22 May 2005 20:20 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 22 May 2005 20:23 (twenty-one years ago)
― M Philip O'Nyman (Ferg), Sunday, 22 May 2005 20:25 (twenty-one years ago)
reasonable and affable. its all one way then, and its difficult for them. most of the time they are trying to make you fuck up, and give them an excuse to do something. dont give them that excuse
― charltonlido (gareth), Sunday, 22 May 2005 20:28 (twenty-one years ago)
weird I was just about to start a thread about boss politics.
― yeahh, Sunday, 22 May 2005 20:36 (twenty-one years ago)
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 22 May 2005 20:42 (twenty-one years ago)
― M Philip O'Nyman (Ferg), Sunday, 22 May 2005 20:52 (twenty-one years ago)
― yeahh, Sunday, 22 May 2005 21:08 (twenty-one years ago)
1. The Mover - From A Lobotomised Mind
― moley, Sunday, 22 May 2005 21:14 (twenty-one years ago)
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 22 May 2005 21:26 (twenty-one years ago)
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 22 May 2005 22:45 (twenty-one years ago)
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 22 May 2005 22:46 (twenty-one years ago)
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 23 May 2005 01:20 (twenty-one years ago)
http://www.theonion.com/articles/boss-has-deft-touch-for-making-employees-feel-like,32084/
― food and boardgames and minimal techno (NotEnough), Saturday, 11 May 2013 11:55 (thirteen years ago)
... But neither his record of service as an educator and courtier, nor his presidency of the academy, nor his steadily growing list of scholarly publications could save Gundling from degenerating into a figure of ridicule at the court of Frederick William I. In February 1714, the King demanded that he delivered a lecture before the assembled guests on the existence (or not) of ghosts while taking regular draughts of strong drink. After much raucous hilarity, two grenadiers escorted the inebriated commercial councillor back to his room, where he shrieked with terror at the sight of a figure draped in a white sheet emerging from a corner. Provocations of this kind soon became the norm. Gundling was confined in a chamber where the king kept a number of young bears while fireworks were rained down into the room from above; he was forced to wear outlandish courtly attire modelled loosely on French fashions, including a towering wig in an outdated style that belonged to the previous king; he was force-fed laxatives and locked in a cell overnight; he was pressed into a pistol duel with one of his chief tormentors, the joke being everyone but Gundling knew the weapons contained no shot. When Gundling refused to grasp or fire his gun, his opponent discharged a spray of burning powder into his face, setting fire to his wig, to the huge hilarity of all present
18th century style workplace bullying was brutally cruel in the court of Hitler's big hero, Fred The Great.
― calzino, Sunday, 30 October 2016 12:19 (nine years ago)
And at the same time I'm annoyed at myself for letting it get to me.
This bit in Ronan's original post really resonates with me....I can rationalise that my boss is an insecure person, and that's they're acting like a tosser. But in spite of that, I churn things over in my mind, unable to let things go - and simultaneously get annoyed with letting things get to me.
― Dr Drudge (Bob Six), Sunday, 30 October 2016 13:13 (nine years ago)
Even in death the king did not spare him humiliation. By royal command he had been compelled for a number of years to keep, in his bedroom, a coffin made from a varnished wine barrel, on which the following verse was written:
Here there lies within his skinHalf man, half pig, a wondrous thingClever in his youth, in old age not so bright,Full of wit at morning, full of drink at night.Let the voice of Bacchus singThis, my child, is Gundeling[...]Reader, say can you divineWhether he was man or swine?[10]
After he died, the king had his body paraded through the streets of Potsdam and then publicly displayed, wearing the outlandish costume he required Gundling to wear for his own amusement, propped up in the barrel. Various ribald songs were composed specially for his funeral, but the king's antics were so outrageous that the local clergy categorically refused to have anything to do with this parody of a funeral ceremony.[11] Instead, the funeral sermon was delivered by none other than Gundling's long-time tormentor, David Fassman.[12]
― r|t|c, Sunday, 30 October 2016 13:19 (nine years ago)
A monkey, dressed as Gundling, was introduced to him as his own son, and he was compelled to embrace and kiss it.
― r|t|c, Sunday, 30 October 2016 13:20 (nine years ago)
tbf "don't go down the ronan route of techno techno techno" is entirely how i live my life
― mark s, Sunday, 30 October 2016 13:23 (nine years ago)
xplol! I haven't got that far in the Chris Clark book I was quoting, Gundling was virtually a prisoner because of his debts. Previously in Fred's dad's era he was a respectable courtier.
― calzino, Sunday, 30 October 2016 13:28 (nine years ago)