Getty Curator indictied wrt Antiquities

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http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-et-getty20may20,0,1323380.story?coll=la-home-headlines

this is rather huge, considering the arrogance, large endowment, t he politics of acquistion, etc.

lets talk about this

anthony, Monday, 23 May 2005 02:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I was really surprised by this, but the article suggests that it's not uncommon. I still have a flier arguing for the return of the Elgin marbles from a visit to the British Museum ages ago. I wonder if the issue of removing artifacts from their country of origin is more serious than any other implication about the origin of these particular artifacts.

Slightly unrelated, but in a metadata course, I remember the instructor discussed a metadata schema for tracking museum objects for the purpose of preventing theft or loss. Now I see that it addresses a real problem. There was something in the article about museum policies for only purchasing items from known collections. I guess the burden is on the purchaser unless the object is bought from an auction house or some other intermediary.

youn, Monday, 23 May 2005 02:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Fascinating, I wouldn't say I'm surprised but I didn't necessarily anything to specifically surface.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 23 May 2005 03:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Bad news for Indiana Jones.

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 23 May 2005 03:14 (twenty-one years ago)

"It belongs in a MUSE...well, maybe it just belongs where it was."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 23 May 2005 03:16 (twenty-one years ago)

There was something in the article about museum policies for only purchasing items from known collections.

The issue goes beyond that because many "known collections" are full of art and artifacts of questionable origins. I think the biggest and most interesting part of the debate has to do with the public vs. private interest. The return of Nazi-looted art to the families of the original owners is the easiest case to get behind (as opposed to say the return of the Rosetta stone) because it's much more recent. Yet it's tough to deal with the idea of great works of art being taken away from public museums and passed back into private ownership.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Monday, 23 May 2005 05:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I think you're right that the question of public vs. private interest is an important one and is complicated by the issue of time. Maybe in some cases it's one kind of public interest vs. another. I mean wouldn't it be sad if the distribution of art works and artifacts reflected the distribution of power among developed and developing nations, as opposed to history or cultural heritage? The photo from the article makes the statue look strangely out of context. Well, maybe according to a more humanistic view, national or historical origin wouldn't matter.

youn, Monday, 23 May 2005 07:31 (twenty-one years ago)

eight months pass...
Oops, part 2.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 10 February 2006 15:28 (twenty years ago)

Spoils of war for the upper class! Nice tan, dick.

senseiDancer (sexyDancer), Friday, 10 February 2006 15:33 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...

As muttered on the LA thread, the ever-elusive next level:

Federal agents carried out coordinated raids on four Southern California museums and a Los Angeles art gallery early today, the first public move in a five-year investigation of an alleged smuggling pipeline that authorities say funneled looted Southeast Asian and Native American artifacts into local museums.

Shortly after 7:30 a.m., search warrants were served on the Los Angeles County Museum of Art, Pasadena's Pacific Asia Museum, the Bowers Museum in Santa Ana and the Mingei International Museum in San Diego.

The warrants gave agents broad authority to search the museums' galleries, offices, storage areas and computer archives for objects and records related to the primary targets of the investigation: an alleged art smuggler, Robert Olson, and the owner of a Los Angeles Asian art gallery, Jonathan Markell. Markell's Silk Roads Gallery on La Brea Avenue was also raided.

The warrants are based on an undercover investigation by an unnamed agent with the National Park Service, who presented himself as an eager new collector to Olson and Markell. Both men allegedly admitted their illegal activities to the agent and sold him recently looted objects.

The warrants claim the men also introduced the agent to museum officials who, in dozens of secretly tape-recorded meetings, accepted donations of looted art with values inflated to help the sellers obtain tax write-offs.

In the case of the Bowers and the Pacific Asia museums, the warrants clearly suggest that museum officials were aware that the objects were looted and overvalued and accepted them anyway.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 January 2008 17:59 (eighteen years ago)

damn national park service has undercover agents?!?

max, Thursday, 24 January 2008 18:06 (eighteen years ago)

most hilarious black ops team ever

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 24 January 2008 18:08 (eighteen years ago)

the fighting watershed protectors

remy bean, Thursday, 24 January 2008 18:10 (eighteen years ago)

my uncle works for the nps i wonder if hes in deep cover

max, Thursday, 24 January 2008 18:11 (eighteen years ago)

as a mulberry bush?

remy bean, Thursday, 24 January 2008 18:12 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.taylors-shop.co.uk/acatalog/scary-tree-costume-500.jpg

remy bean, Thursday, 24 January 2008 18:13 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.anime.com/Akira_Kurosawa/images/03-mo-yojimbo.jpg

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Thursday, 24 January 2008 18:15 (eighteen years ago)

Where were they looted from?

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Thursday, 24 January 2008 18:15 (eighteen years ago)

looted Southeast Asian and Native American artifacts into local museums

remy bean, Thursday, 24 January 2008 18:17 (eighteen years ago)

i dunno more specifically. here's all the times has so far.

remy bean, Thursday, 24 January 2008 18:18 (eighteen years ago)

two years pass...

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