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does anyone still read or make zines? has the internet made them irrelevant?

i just found an anthology of australian zines from the mid-'90s in a box. it's called... wait for it... THE NEW POLLUTION! hahahah!

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 26 May 2005 16:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Punk Planet had this cutesy all-*real*-ziney non-web celebratory issue a couple of years ago. It was ridiculously twee and forced without trying to be in the slightest and I had to laugh.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 26 May 2005 16:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Quimby's, the indie comic store in Chicago, stocks quite a few zines. I've bought a couple, just out of curiosity. I don't really know if they sell, though.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 26 May 2005 16:18 (twenty-one years ago)

how do you mean? twee how? (xp)

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 26 May 2005 16:22 (twenty-one years ago)

zines i used to love:

BEN IS DEAD
cometbus
infiltration (done by a friend of mine)

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 26 May 2005 16:22 (twenty-one years ago)

does anyone still read or make zines? has the internet made them irrelevant?

I was just wondering about this last week. I haven't seen a zine anywhere in years.

Leon Federline (Ex Leon), Thursday, 26 May 2005 16:26 (twenty-one years ago)

That said it's like a craft now, isn't it? The equivalent of lathe-cut vinyl singles. There's a space for them but that's about it.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 26 May 2005 16:26 (twenty-one years ago)

There are still some high profile zines around but unsurprisingly they're a cut above in terms of both a potential hardcore fanbase and presentation -- Ptolemaic Terrascope, Chunklet, etc. And even they seem to be more irregular these days. Other zines like The Broken Face have switched to a blog style presentation.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 26 May 2005 16:29 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, i suppose so. there still is a "community," there still are zine fairs and such. but i imagine most of the people who would've made zines in the early '90s, say, just went straight to the web. (xp)

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 26 May 2005 16:29 (twenty-one years ago)

was the end of factsheet5 the real death knell?

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 26 May 2005 16:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Cometbus was great! Isn't Aaron still making it?

Was Infiltration an urban exploration zine?

Zebra, Alpha Go! (cprek), Thursday, 26 May 2005 16:30 (twenty-one years ago)

tokion magazie is having a contest right now to find people who make zines. 1st prize gets it published by tokion and a year of health insurance. 2nd prize is like 500 bucks

phil-two (phil-two), Thursday, 26 May 2005 16:30 (twenty-one years ago)

go dor it guys. its due july 1!

phil-two (phil-two), Thursday, 26 May 2005 16:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Was Infiltration an urban exploration zine?

yup!!

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 26 May 2005 16:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Zines have disappeared?

NOT IN BERKELEY THEY HAVEN'T

the black hand, Thursday, 26 May 2005 16:33 (twenty-one years ago)

does anyone still read or make zines?

I still read and make zines.

has the internet made them irrelevant?

for lazy & disorganised people, yes.

This does not explain how I manage to still read and make zines.

DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 26 May 2005 16:37 (twenty-one years ago)

They are sold in every comic bookstore, record store, independent bookstore and community centre here. Hundreds of them. And those mini-comics.

Also, Aaron Cometbus writes "novels" now.

Some friends and I made three issues of a zine when we were about 14. I still have them. They're kind of funny, I suppose. "Dada"

the black hand, Thursday, 26 May 2005 16:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I had a zine in high school. It sometimes helped me tolerate things and got me a few good friends. I still buy them now if I see an interesting one, though I agree with Ned they are pretty much craft-based. Tokion's contest sounds cool (I'm impressed by health insurance as a prize!) and I might enter it if I still made things that weren't one-offs. I haven't done regular issues of anything in years, and even then, just sent them to my friends.

lotsa xposts. I don't love blogs like I love zines, and have never felt the need to have a blog like I do to make something material.

sgs (sgs), Thursday, 26 May 2005 16:39 (twenty-one years ago)

what kind of zines do you read and make DV?

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 26 May 2005 16:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Good god do I love the concept of health insurance as a big prize!

nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 26 May 2005 16:40 (twenty-one years ago)

It's probably Tokion health insurance, though -- if you get sick they send you to Hokkaido for some cupping / dream-interpretation artist who works with all the best fashion designers.

nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 26 May 2005 16:42 (twenty-one years ago)

my friend mary runs a fairly elaborate and successfful zine (among other pubs) distribution co. Tree of Knowledge. lotsa stuff going on. but i'm not too up on it.

andrew m. (andrewmorgan), Thursday, 26 May 2005 16:43 (twenty-one years ago)

You can't read a blog on the toilet.

Well, you can, I suppose, but zines are much more accessible.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 26 May 2005 17:01 (twenty-one years ago)

i used to have a zine. which then turned into "the daily something" which was pre-blogs, but basically, it was a blog. it totally was. and then that got rolled into doing the pataphysics research lab with jack cole and a few others... an online zine... which yes... now looks like a collection of blogs. our original goal tho was soemthing akin to the classic 80s-90s zines.

stuff that sticks out in my head that i enjoyed... (that aren't upthread already)

chemical imbalance (and yeti!)
forced exposure
superdope
bunnyhop
hit it or quit it
bananafish (does this count?)
ugly things
cool beans
skyscraper
sound collector (now arthur yes?)
copper press (is okay...sort of ... nice layouts at least.)
rocktober
america?
manic panic (more of a comic i guess.)
thumb
badaboom grammaphone
ecstatic peace

i've been considering going back to xerox... but it's so... "nobody's reading this". which hey, maybe that's true with X million blogs too.
m.

msp (mspa), Thursday, 26 May 2005 17:13 (twenty-one years ago)

speaking of japanese design zines... (tokion)... anybody ever checked out shift?

http://www.shift.jp.org/

m.

msp (mspa), Thursday, 26 May 2005 17:23 (twenty-one years ago)

here in portland, they have "Reading Frenzy", which is chock full of them.

hell, somebody even made a docu film about zining in portland

kf, Thursday, 26 May 2005 17:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Some of my favorite zine-dudes are on ILM!:

Baked Bean Teeth
Tim Ellison
Mike McGonigal

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 26 May 2005 17:33 (twenty-one years ago)

what did tim used to do? and bbt?

(reminds me... gyg... i got a superdope of yours. need to send.)

m.

msp (mspa), Thursday, 26 May 2005 17:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Horizontal Action's still alive and kicking, I assume. They just put on the Chicago Blackout deal.
(HA is considered a 'zine, right?)

Will(iam), Thursday, 26 May 2005 17:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I am in an APA (which the Vicar also is in) and would be very sad if it entirely disappeared to the web. In fact our APA has a blog nowadays, to which APA members can contribute, but I never do. Nor do I read it.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 26 May 2005 18:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I would consider HA a zine about as much as Max RNR

Miss Misery (thatgirl), Thursday, 26 May 2005 18:40 (twenty-one years ago)

BBT's zine was called POPE and was top-notch.
Tim's was called ROCKMAG and later MODERN ROCK MAGAZINE, both very excellent.

There was another ILMer who had a zine called Last Plane To Jakarta, I forget who he was but he might have gone on to bigger things perhaps.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 26 May 2005 18:43 (twenty-one years ago)

oh yeah... what was that guy's name? tito? didn't he have 4 brothers? that was a good zine.
m.

msp (mspa), Thursday, 26 May 2005 19:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Faves:

Cometbus
Feminist Baseball
Sissy (my friend did this one and I was in it)
The Journal Of Inconspicuous Consumption (that’s a subtitle, can’t remember the actual title but dude made it into a book)
Power To The Pessimists (by a grade school friend)
My own zines, various titles
Yukko (Newark DE in the house!)

Annoying:

Beyond Hinduism
Many, many others the names of which I forget but they’re rotting at my mom’s house

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 26 May 2005 19:46 (twenty-one years ago)

mmr only was good for ben weasel's column. and maybe one or two other columns.

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 26 May 2005 19:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I like Tangents best. Papercuts second best.

youn, Friday, 27 May 2005 01:41 (twenty-one years ago)

infiltration (done by a friend of mine)

I still get the occasional issue of this, but their email list is much more active (along with the Urban Explorers list)

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Friday, 27 May 2005 03:05 (twenty-one years ago)

I still miss Factsheet Five and Murder Can Be Fun

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Friday, 27 May 2005 03:05 (twenty-one years ago)

a new murder can be fun came out about a month ago, i just about lost my shit. it was all stuff i knew already (music themed) but it was still good to see. i still see plenty of zines, although it isn't like it was fer sure obv. blogs ain't the same.

j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 27 May 2005 05:50 (twenty-one years ago)

i have a couple of copies of mike a's zine. that was a jolly good read.

shine headlights on me (electricsound), Friday, 27 May 2005 05:55 (twenty-one years ago)

You can't read a blog on the toilet.

Get one laptop.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 27 May 2005 06:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I used to LOVE Ben Is Dead. Also Bugs And Drugs was very good. Did one meself for a while but really wouldn't have the time or inclination now. You never, ever see people selling zines at gigs now - used to feel like there were loads of us in London alone.

Mog, Friday, 27 May 2005 08:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Has anyone yet admitted to posting on ILX whilst on the toilet?

caitlin (caitlin), Friday, 27 May 2005 11:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I prefer not to use a laptop quite so literally.

"Would you like to check your e-mail with my laptop? Just be aware that IT'S BEEN SITTING ON MY COCK WHILE I TOOK A SHIT for the last thirty minutes."

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 27 May 2005 16:05 (twenty-one years ago)

mine's usually dangling safely out of the way down between my legs, but hey maybe you keep yours up top?

andrew m. (andrewmorgan), Friday, 27 May 2005 16:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Fine, andrew. Replace MY COCK with MY PUBES.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 27 May 2005 16:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I WILL!!! OKAY! FINE THEN!

andrew m. (andrewmorgan), Friday, 27 May 2005 16:25 (twenty-one years ago)

(anyway)

i do a zine. can't beat the feeling of blu-tack on your fingers, the warmth of the photocopier...mmm

zines are shit though, really. every now and then i get one i like the look of in rough trade and its just interminable live reviews of third rate schmindie bands and articles on riot grrl

Owen Hatherley (owen), Friday, 27 May 2005 16:33 (twenty-one years ago)

sorry, i meant pritt-stick

Owen Hatherley (owen), Friday, 27 May 2005 16:36 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm working on a dictionary that will be printed zine-style.

hi sam, hi quitty!

ai lien (kold_krush), Friday, 27 May 2005 20:32 (twenty-one years ago)

another 'zinester on ilxor - mike a! i loved CAUGHT IN FLUX as a teen.

i was tangentially involved with SKYWAY, taking pictures and handling layout for some of the final issues.

mts (theoreticalgirl), Saturday, 22 April 2006 14:49 (twenty years ago)

sound collector (now arthur yes?)

incorrect. they are separate things, though published by the same person. l4r1s has plans to put another issue of SC out sometime soon.

mts (theoreticalgirl), Saturday, 22 April 2006 14:50 (twenty years ago)

Just the other day, I saw someone refer to O'Reilly Publishing's Make Zine as "a great DIY zine". And while the statement was reasonable in context, it just struck me as so wrong.

I think the thing that's wrong here is Make calling themselves a "zine".

mikef (mfleming), Sunday, 23 April 2006 00:14 (twenty years ago)

i was thinking about infiltration and weird nj today.

even cathy berberian's nose (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 23 April 2006 00:20 (twenty years ago)

xpost maybe too obvious to mention, but Frank Kogan's another xinester-to-ilxor, with Reader's Poll, as well as the much-better-known Why Music Sucks. Their sister publication was Radio On, which started before Sarah Vowell named her book that.(How was her book? A listener's diary, right?) RO was created by Phil Delio, who heps rockcritics.com to keep maintaining its cool. I think I'd like these even if they hadn't published meee, cos, good-to-great as they were Cometbus and Jane Dark's Sugar High! and Lisa Carver/Suckdog's etc were monozines, and Forced Ex seemed like a closed shop (though my WMS/RO buddy Chris Cook did get in there, so maybe I should've tried.) John Darnielle still posts on Last Plane To Jakarta, doesn't he? (And back on ilx lately, a little bit?)In between Mountain Goats expeditions. Must check.

don, Sunday, 23 April 2006 19:52 (twenty years ago)

The fellow who did Infiltration, Jeff - a prince of a man - died last year after a struggle with a rare form of liver cancer. His wife is a longtime dear friend (and former zine editor herself) and she eulogized him on a community he enjoyed here.

thomas, jeff was one of my oldest friends... i'm glad you knew him too. his death hit me pretty hard.

s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 23 April 2006 20:42 (twenty years ago)

do you have his book?

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 18:20 (twenty years ago)

yeah, LIz gave me a copy of it last time I was in Toronto. It's wonderful - so was Infiltration - there's really nothing coherent one can say about how sad it is for a guy like Jeff to die. I didn't know him well enough, Liz is my connection to him, but he seemed so full of that special searching creative joy.

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 18:34 (twenty years ago)

i've got the book but I haven't read it yet; i'm kind of saving it, you know?

there's a lot I could say about jeff and what a big great influence he was on my life but not here I think.

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 18:39 (twenty years ago)

whatever happened to br1an b3rger, creator of such baffling zines as crush, str@nge @ff@ir, and gr@ce & d1gnity? i guess str@nge @ff@ir was his primary claim to fame - the whole premise of which was a barely-fictionalized fling he had with the girlfriend of a well-known nyc record label head.

mike a, Tuesday, 25 April 2006 19:00 (twenty years ago)

four years pass...

I just found a box that has some pretty great late 80s-early 90s stuff, is this stuff worth anything? Give it away? Craigslist?

i love you but i have chosen snarkness (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 16 February 2011 17:28 (fifteen years ago)

You got any titles? I would be interested, maybe.
My friend Morgan does a great zine (Letters I will Never Send To You) that is mostly just a lot of fun and is also practical.

Trip Maker, Wednesday, 16 February 2011 17:38 (fifteen years ago)

The usual stuff:
80s: Ecstatic Peace, Conflict, Matter, Forced Exposure, Chemical Imbalance, MR&R etc.
90s: Superdope, Crank, ROCKMAG(*!), Pope, Last Plane To Jakarta(**), etc.

*tim ellison cracking the code on left-field no-wave and comus allthewhile revisiting REM/George Harrison
**underrated aerosmith albums i have lusted after

i love you but i have chosen snarkness (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 16 February 2011 17:47 (fifteen years ago)

Some of my favorite zine-dudes are on ILM!:
Baked Bean Teeth
Tim Ellison
Mike McGonigal

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, May 26, 2005 10:33 AM (5 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

what did tim used to do? and bbt?
(reminds me... gyg... i got a superdope of yours. need to send.)

m.

― msp (mspa), Thursday, May 26, 2005 10:47 AM (5 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

BBT's zine was called POPE and was top-notch.
Tim's was called ROCKMAG and later MODERN ROCK MAGAZINE, both very excellent.
There was another ILMer who had a zine called Last Plane To Jakarta, I forget who he was but he might have gone on to bigger things perhaps.

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, May 26, 2005 11:43 AM (5 years ago)

i love you but i have chosen snarkness (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 16 February 2011 17:48 (fifteen years ago)

i never knew lptj was a print zine

thomp, Wednesday, 16 February 2011 17:57 (fifteen years ago)

Yup, still have an issue or two around.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 16 February 2011 17:59 (fifteen years ago)

shasta bro id buy summa these off u

Kabutt (Lamp), Wednesday, 16 February 2011 18:04 (fifteen years ago)

^Yeah man, totally. I would love some Forced Exposure back issues, I only have the MX 80 sound cover issue.

Trip Maker, Wednesday, 16 February 2011 18:39 (fifteen years ago)

three months pass...

are there any clever or creative ways to organize large quantities of zines? Sticking them on a bookshelf or keeping them in a pile doesn't rly cut it for me. Divider tabs, mabye? Or folders?

para-sailin' bus tour (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 6 June 2011 18:59 (fifteen years ago)

I wonder what Mike Gunderloy is doing these days.

what made my hamburger disappear (WmC), Monday, 6 June 2011 19:09 (fifteen years ago)

remember s1ocki?

markers, Monday, 6 June 2011 19:14 (fifteen years ago)

I think I've heard of him. Are he and Gunderloy the same person?

what made my hamburger disappear (WmC), Monday, 6 June 2011 19:16 (fifteen years ago)

O_O

markers, Monday, 6 June 2011 19:18 (fifteen years ago)

From Wiki on Gunderloy and Factsheet 5:

Gunderloy currently works as a computer programmer and farmer. He co-authored the book SQL Server 7 in Record Time

Mike Gunderloy's Factsheet Five Collection of over 10,000 zines and mail art is now held at the New York State Library and Archives in Albany, New York, where it occupies 300 cubic feet (8.5 m3).[7] However, only about 4000 zines in the collection have been cataloged.[8] About 1/4 of the zines in the collection are listed on Excelsior, the New York State Library's electronic catalog; staff of the Manuscripts & Special Collection can help locate other items.[9] 240 zines that R. Seth Friedman donated are in the collection of the San Francisco Public Library

curmudgeon, Monday, 6 June 2011 19:19 (fifteen years ago)

markers, why did you ask that question about s1ocki

what made my hamburger disappear (WmC), Monday, 6 June 2011 19:22 (fifteen years ago)

srsly guys maybe like folders for "queer zines" and "DIY/how to zines" and "food zines" and "perzines"?

para-sailin' bus tour (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 6 June 2011 19:30 (fifteen years ago)

and then there's comix too!

para-sailin' bus tour (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 6 June 2011 19:30 (fifteen years ago)

I wish I knew a clever and creative way to organize mine

curmudgeon, Monday, 6 June 2011 19:44 (fifteen years ago)

markers, why did you ask that question about s1ocki

― what made my hamburger disappear (WmC)

he started this thread & he hasn't posted in a while (miss u) -- was just kinda riffing on/"joking" abt that

markers, Monday, 6 June 2011 19:47 (fifteen years ago)

Ikea "Flyt" magazine folders. $1.59 for five. That's why I've got mine in.

Or there are several more expensive versions of the same thing.

everything, Monday, 6 June 2011 20:31 (fifteen years ago)

3-ring binders + clear sleeves would be great if you have the shelf space, but would get expensive in a hurry

what made my hamburger disappear (WmC), Monday, 6 June 2011 20:35 (fifteen years ago)

Replace MY COCK with MY PUBES.

lol

unmetalled world (wk), Monday, 6 June 2011 20:41 (fifteen years ago)

xpost. I use the 3 ring binder/clear sleeve thing for sheet music but it doesn't work with books/ booklets/zines etc because they all slide out if you are not careful to handle it properly.

everything, Monday, 6 June 2011 20:52 (fifteen years ago)

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Elegant Bitch (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 03:49 (fifteen years ago)

AS FEATURED IN QUIMBY'S COMICS, CHICAGO!

Elegant Bitch (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 03:49 (fifteen years ago)

KICK!

Elegant Bitch (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 04:57 (fifteen years ago)

Two current zines worth reading: Cinema Sewer and Ugly Things.

everything, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 05:09 (fifteen years ago)

wow, the collective zine writing amateur press association thing I am involved in is celebrating its 20th year of existence.

The New Dirty Vicar, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 13:46 (fifteen years ago)

eight years pass...

Bumping for nostalgio's sake. Thinking back on my itinerant twenties and thirties and the beautiful collections of Rollerderby, Bananafish, Re:Search, Wax Poetics etc. that I had and have left me. Now 40 and stable, planning a family, and want to rebuild a library. Maybe my newborn doesn't need to learn to read from Lisa Suckdog but I would like to revisit this stuff. Hard to track a lot of it down and scans are scarce.

Yelploaf, Thursday, 28 November 2019 17:14 (six years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-V5FkUsMXYw

j., Thursday, 28 November 2019 17:59 (six years ago)

Hard to track a lot of it down and scans are scarce.

Hugo House donated their 30,000-strong zine library to SPL early this year

insecurity bear (sic), Thursday, 28 November 2019 18:35 (six years ago)

What was that zine from the '90s that was just a little booklet filled with quotes from elderly people in a retirement home? I think it was made into a book later?

Josefa, Thursday, 28 November 2019 18:49 (six years ago)

Duplex Planet

Οὖτις, Thursday, 28 November 2019 18:53 (six years ago)

That's it, thanks!

Josefa, Thursday, 28 November 2019 18:54 (six years ago)

ephemera acquires the most interest about the time that 99.9% of it has disappeared

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 28 November 2019 18:56 (six years ago)

^^that is one for the ilx lines that stick in your head or whatever it's called thread

or something, Thursday, 28 November 2019 21:56 (six years ago)

got a big box of late 90s zines upstairs, when I searched for a few of them there was no trace on the internet. someone should start a library where they can be scanned, uploaded and catalogued, actually maybe this already exists, hold on

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 28 November 2019 21:58 (six years ago)

Duplex Planet is one of my favorite things ever, so so good.

Over the years I’ve volunteered on & off digitizing a huge library of zines kept by a DIY venue in my town, I think with the idea of actually putting them all online at some point

“Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Thursday, 28 November 2019 22:01 (six years ago)

the things I'm finding via google are physical libraries, not digital ones. I might just scan them all one day, sure some of them had a readership of 20-30 people, I know mine did.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 28 November 2019 22:06 (six years ago)

Good archive of reviews here:

https://fuckinrecordreviews.tumblr.com/

Duane Barry, Friday, 29 November 2019 00:11 (six years ago)


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