Tom Cruise launches war on psychiatrists -- faults them for "psuedo-science"

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Folks, ya just can't make this up:
Cruise Launches War on Psychiatrists

Tom Cruise has declared a public war on psychiatrists because he fears the "pseudo-science" has led to a drug-fuelled crisis for today's children. The movie hunk was diagnosed as dyslexic when he was just seven, and doctors suggested he should take drugs to control his learning problems. Memories of that part of his childhood fuelled Cruise to seek alternative ways of overcoming his dyslexia - a problem that led him to the Church of Scientology's educational programs. Becoming a scientologist in 1984 made the actor look closely at the controversial religion's anti-psychiatry stance, and he has since become a firm believer that the science and the medicating of children is wrong. Speaking exclusively to US news show Access Hollywood as part of a week-long special about his scientology beliefs, the movie hunk declares, "I'm going right after psychiatry and these false labels and this pseudo-science. I was diagnosed as dyslexic; I had a lot of energy as a child. They wanted to put me on drugs... Never did; my mother said no, absolutely not, no way and I'm thankful. Had I been put on those drugs, I never would be here today... I never would have had the career that I'm having. Am I making people aware of it by discussing it openly and saying what a fraud psychiatry is? You bet I am. I feel a responsibility because I care..." The actor also maintains that poor results in education in America can be blamed on mind-altering drugs that are given to children. He adds, "SAT (exam) scores have gone right down the toilet. The parents are blaming the teachers, the teachers are blaming the parents and the psychs are putting everyone on drugs."

note that the current problem with the supposed over-prescribing of ritalin is from family DOCTORS, not necessarily the phsrinks.

Still, thank God that such he chose to reveal this exclusive interview to the journalistic bulwark that is Access Hollywood.

kingfish maximum overdrunk (Kingfish), Sunday, 29 May 2005 17:18 (twenty-one years ago)

the scientologists have a thing about shrinks

fcuss3n, Sunday, 29 May 2005 17:26 (twenty-one years ago)

so is the movie hunk in the middle of some crazy nervous breakdown right now?

s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 29 May 2005 17:28 (twenty-one years ago)

this has been discussed (i think):Tom Cruise on Rosie O Donnel Just called Sceintology Practical

ibid., Sunday, 29 May 2005 17:29 (twenty-one years ago)

the studios are happy that he is doing such advance PR hype-work for War of the Worlds

i wonder how they ever settled on Katie though. it's not like she was going anywhere

Vichitravirya XI, Sunday, 29 May 2005 17:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Scientology is fishing for new recruits among current or former psychiatric patients. They'd be in the prime demographic.

Aimless (Aimless), Sunday, 29 May 2005 17:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Has anyone been to that anti-psychiatry place on Sunset near Amoeba? I can't remember what it is called unfortunately. The windows have huge posters of people in agony clutching their confused minds.

Community Cornerstone (deangulberry), Sunday, 29 May 2005 18:16 (twenty-one years ago)

There's also his opinion on Brooke Shields' *drug use*.

HOLLYWOOD, May 25, 2005

Cruise Slams Shields' Drug Use
By WENN
............................................
Tom Cruise has criticized Hollywood pal Brooke Shields' "misguided" use of the anti-depressant Paxil, while declaring the actress' career as over.

In an interview with Billy Bush on the TV show Access Hollywood, to be screened on May 26, Cruise speaks of his disappointment to learn Shields used Paxil to fight post-natal depression following the birth of her daughter Rowan.

Shields is currently weaning herself off her medication so she and husband Chris Henchy can have another child.

Cruise, who claims to have helped people fight drug addictions through his controversial Scientology religion, says the Suddenly Susan actress should have used vitamins to help her feelings of despair.

Cruise says, "Here is a woman, and I care about Brooke Shields because I think she is an incredibly talented woman. You look at, where has her career gone?"

Despite the Minority Report actor's declaration her career is over, Shields is currently receiving rave reviews playing murderess Roxie Hart in the London theatre production of Chicago.

Cruise maintains, "These drugs are dangerous. I have actually helped people come off.

"When you talk about postpartum, you can take people today, women, and what you do is you use vitamins. There is a hormonal thing that is going on, scientifically, you can prove that. But when you talk about emotional, chemical imbalances in people, there is no science behind that.

"You can use vitamins to help a woman through those things

nathalie's baby (stevie nixed), Sunday, 29 May 2005 18:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Dean have you ever noticed that whatever hour you go by that place (right at Seward and Sunset), there's always some intern sitting at the front desk?

Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Sunday, 29 May 2005 18:50 (twenty-one years ago)

He's one of those people who I've always thought was good on film but a twat as a person, but I have to say I sorta agree with him in that depression isn't always a result of a 'chemical imbalance'. I used alternative methods of battling my depression in high school because I honestly didn't trust all of the drugs they were trying to throw at me. I didn't take ingesting drugs that would alter the nature of my brain too lightly, even at 16 I had more sense than that and the nature of my problem had nothing to do with chemicals. I credit my old therapist with saving my life, but Tom Cruise is right in stating that there really is no 'real' science behind psychology. Its all based on crusty, old theories.

kevin says relax (daddy warbuxx), Sunday, 29 May 2005 18:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean, fair enough, some people don't need chemicals to fight their depression, but he's being guided by Scientology, he hasn't studied it. He's not the expert on psychiatry, he's just advocating for the Scientology cause. I'm sorry, but if I need help, I won't be turning to Tom Cruise for help. Did you read what he said on Brooke Shields and her post partum depression?

nathalie's baby (stevie nixed), Sunday, 29 May 2005 18:59 (twenty-one years ago)

he's saying there's no real science behind PSYCHIATRY. there's a diff. (xp)

s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 29 May 2005 19:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey now.

Tom Cruise, Sunday, 29 May 2005 19:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Dean have you ever noticed that whatever hour you go by that place (right at Seward and Sunset), there's always some intern sitting at the front desk?

I haven't, but I can totally see that being the case. I'd love to poke my head in there but I'm worried that I'd get attacked and wind up getting the old "stress test" from Tommy boy.

Community Cornerstone (deangulberry), Sunday, 29 May 2005 19:08 (twenty-one years ago)


"ALL I WANTED WAS A PEPSI! JUST ONE PEPSI!"

j blount (papa la bas), Sunday, 29 May 2005 19:17 (twenty-one years ago)

if he restricted his complaints to freudian and post-freudian psychoanalysis, i might be with him. but all of psychiatry, nope. is he opposed to therapy full stop, or just medication?

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Sunday, 29 May 2005 19:20 (twenty-one years ago)

there's real science behind psychology and psychiatry.

xpost amateurist otm

Dan I. (Dan I.), Sunday, 29 May 2005 19:21 (twenty-one years ago)

both (xp)

s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 29 May 2005 19:21 (twenty-one years ago)

is he opposed to therapy full stop, or just medication?

He's opposed to everything the Scientologist leaders tell him to be opposed to, natch.

caitlin (caitlin), Sunday, 29 May 2005 19:24 (twenty-one years ago)

even though I personally am very fond of Freud and think there's a lot to be gained from reading him, it's become almost a cliché to point out that his influence on the practice of psychology and psychiatry (and there's not, or at least there shouldn't be, that much distance between those two) today is practically zero.

Dan I. (Dan I.), Sunday, 29 May 2005 19:24 (twenty-one years ago)

oh but yeah he's against medication too i forgot

Dan I. (Dan I.), Sunday, 29 May 2005 19:26 (twenty-one years ago)

hey did anyone on that other thread talk about when he was on Oprah recently? He was, like, jumping around on the furniture and stuff. It was crazy!

Dan I. (Dan I.), Sunday, 29 May 2005 19:29 (twenty-one years ago)

ts: scientologists labeling psychiatry 'pseudoscience' vs. oil execs labeling global warming 'pseudoscience'

j blount (papa la bas), Sunday, 29 May 2005 19:31 (twenty-one years ago)

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y162/spacecatazz/po-tay-toes/cruiseywoot.gif

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Sunday, 29 May 2005 19:32 (twenty-one years ago)

ok I need meds now

miccio (miccio), Sunday, 29 May 2005 19:36 (twenty-one years ago)

with a build like his it's amazing he doesn't have more tumbling-related freakouts. I think I'd like Tom Cruise better if he made his entrance onto the set of every talk-show with a series of handsprings and cartwheels, culminating in a back flip directly onto the guest chair.

Dan I. (Dan I.), Sunday, 29 May 2005 19:40 (twenty-one years ago)

OMG! Tom Cruise and Shaq as Russian circus performers!!! To whom can I sell this idea!?

Dan I. (Dan I.), Sunday, 29 May 2005 19:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Joel Schumacher

miccio (miccio), Sunday, 29 May 2005 19:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Nervous breakdown? The guy looks he's gonna melt!

I read that part of the Scientologist programming is that when you start to _doubt_ yourself and your choices (Scientology), there are embedded hypnosis commands that will create physical pain or crushing mental discomfort. At this point, of course, a brainwashed 'tologist will call his Scientology master and say, "I'm breaking down! I don't feel good!" and that will be the tip-off that the brainwashing is starting to fade away, so they give you some "emergency therapy" which is more brainwashing to make you feel good again. All of the brainwashing has these little embedded commands that tip off the organization when you need a "tune up."

Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Sunday, 29 May 2005 20:01 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.defamer.com/hollywood/tomthescientologist.jpg

miccio (miccio), Sunday, 29 May 2005 20:47 (twenty-one years ago)

LEARN MORE ABOUT THE CAUSE

miccio (miccio), Sunday, 29 May 2005 20:52 (twenty-one years ago)

that's Tom winning a gold medal in Sci Fi Fanship right there. Guys walking around in spock ears are amateurs compared to these true believers.

miccio (miccio), Sunday, 29 May 2005 20:55 (twenty-one years ago)

I've been trying to find the link someone had shown me but I cant - but basically being interviewed by some German mag recently Cruise went on this complete anti-drug pro-scientolog33 rant, not about psych drugs but drugs in general. He flat out claimed $ci was the only proven method of getting people off drugs - the ONLY one and that it ALWAYS worked. The interviewer actually had the balls to say "I'm sorry Mr Cruise but I beg to differ".

I wish I could find it now. The guy is seriously deluded.

Trayce (trayce), Sunday, 29 May 2005 21:59 (twenty-one years ago)

http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,353577,00.html

Dan I. (Dan I.), Sunday, 29 May 2005 22:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Ah thats the one, thanks Dan :)

Trayce (trayce), Sunday, 29 May 2005 22:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Cruise: I'm a helper. For instance, I myself have helped hundreds of people get off drugs. In Scientology, we have the only successful drug rehabilitation program in the world. It's called Narconon.

SPIEGEL: That's not correct. Yours is never mentioned among the recognized detox programs. Independent experts warn against it because it is rooted in pseudo science.

Cruise: You don't understand what I am saying. It's a statistically proven fact that there is only one successful drug rehabilitation program in the world. Period.

SPIEGEL: With all due respect, we doubt that.

Indeed.

Trayce (trayce), Sunday, 29 May 2005 22:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Germany knows what's up when it comes to Scientology.

mike h. (mike h.), Sunday, 29 May 2005 22:21 (twenty-one years ago)

"You look at, where has her career gone?"
MEOW!

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Sunday, 29 May 2005 22:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Someone should lock Cruise and Mel Gibson in a room together. And then film the results.

Trayce (trayce), Sunday, 29 May 2005 22:37 (twenty-one years ago)

hell yes!

latebloomer: B Minus Time Traveler (latebloomer), Sunday, 29 May 2005 22:46 (twenty-one years ago)

this is a very clever platform for Cruise to kick off on, because there's a lot of support for this sentiment: the idea of giving speed to kids during their developmental years is flat out evil, and most people understand that, even overwhelmed parents who don't know what else to do other than follow medical advice. blaming compliant psychiatrists instead of the pharmecutical companies is the dead giveaway though -- as said upthread, scientology does have a thing against shrinks, they're in direct competition

early mid-70's statue of 'Ritalin Man' designed by the pharms to promote the drug to children:

http://www.toymuseum.com/inside/c3/3265044.html

it's so honest: a friendly man taking off his hat to reveal that there is absolutely nothing on the inside of his head

http://www.toymuseum.com/inside/c3/3265044.gif

milton parker (Jon L), Sunday, 29 May 2005 23:58 (twenty-one years ago)

their views/campaigns against psychiatry are akin to some kind of Nazi propaganda campaign.

Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Monday, 30 May 2005 00:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Narconocon is rathre scary too - if you do a google search for something like "codiene addiction" or other drug addiction, symptoms thereof, detox, etc, quite often it is the first match. Reading it it seems like an innocuous medical advice site with reference to places you can attend counselling - no mention anywhere but in VERY fine print who it is actually associated with...

Trayce (trayce), Monday, 30 May 2005 00:14 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't trust AA any more that I would Narconon. I actually wouldn't know what the hell to do if I ever found my self addicted to something in a way that I could not control. The things about these programs, all of them, ios that they just. don't. work. None of them.

slightly more subdued (kenan), Monday, 30 May 2005 00:21 (twenty-one years ago)

next time i meet a psychology major, i'm going to let them know that tom cruise disapproves of their choice

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 30 May 2005 00:28 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost

kenan, they do work for some people, they really do.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 30 May 2005 00:31 (twenty-one years ago)

i mean, perhaps all these programs are, in their own literature, much too foolproof to be believed, but the fact is that 12-step and other similar programs have helped a lot of people to get and stay off alcohol and drugs. do they work for everyone? of course not.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 30 May 2005 00:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah Im sure theres someone out there any program would work for, but for Cruise to claim theirs is the ONLY one, no question, is a crock, and deeply suspicious. What is their agenda, really? Money? Control?

Trayce (trayce), Monday, 30 May 2005 00:41 (twenty-one years ago)

PUSSY

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Monday, 30 May 2005 01:00 (twenty-one years ago)

respect the cock

kit brash (kit brash), Monday, 30 May 2005 03:17 (twenty-one years ago)

beats most religions

The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Thursday, 2 June 2005 17:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm under the impression that Scientology - like most cults, as opposed to religions - teaches that moral rules only apply when dealing with other cult members.

caitlin (caitlin), Thursday, 2 June 2005 18:20 (twenty-one years ago)

"I think Scientology's whole thing is to "clear" your mind in order to make you happy which leads to not murdering, stealing, honesty, generosity, etc. "

but even that is backwards from most religions - the core of the most enduring traditions ARE the basic ethical precepts. The Ten Commandments, the Eightfold Path, etc. These are presented as more important than personal happiness, as enduring words to live by that supercede any kind of selfish focus on the individual. For Scientology, ethics are secondary to 1) making money and 2) personal happiness, and this is made fairly explicit. They frame their "religion" as one in which the individual attains happiness, wealth, and power through a series of strict, economically quantifiable steps. This is vastly different from (most) other religions wherein the central preoccupation is with living a morally upright life, studying the "truth", etc.

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 2 June 2005 18:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Bnad, I think you have a misconception of how pyschotropic drugs work. I've been on tons of anti-depressants and trust me, it's not like that.

Miss Misery (thatgirl), Thursday, 2 June 2005 18:53 (twenty-one years ago)

For Scientology, ethics are secondary to 1) making money and 2) personal happiness, and this is made fairly explicit. They frame their "religion" as one in which the individual attains happiness, wealth, and power through a series of strict, economically quantifiable steps.

Hm. Maybe I will join Scientology. Does it work?

ReNTBAPA: Resolute Not To Be A Prick Anymore (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 19:06 (twenty-one years ago)

totally.

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 2 June 2005 19:09 (twenty-one years ago)

>Hm. Maybe I will join Scientology. Does it work?<

Not really. See, the guys that make the money are already in the organization. You're just handing them your cash. Lots of it. If you want to screw people on your own, you're better off just going the Nietzschian route.

Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Thursday, 2 June 2005 19:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Huh, I wasn't aware that Nietzsche became a rich man fucking people over. Who knew!

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 2 June 2005 19:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Damn it. I just want to be successful, not screw everyone over!

ReNTBAPA: Resolute Not To Be A Prick Anymore (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 19:15 (twenty-one years ago)

that's like saying you want to fuck men, but you don't want to be gay.

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 2 June 2005 19:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Now I see why Tom Cruise is into it.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 2 June 2005 19:18 (twenty-one years ago)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!

ReNTBAPA: Resolute Not To Be A Prick Anymore (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 19:19 (twenty-one years ago)

good shit, people

The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Thursday, 2 June 2005 19:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Gold, Jerry! Gold!

sleep (sleep), Thursday, 2 June 2005 19:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I love how Cruise condemns medication based on his Important Firsthand Experience of, umm, not having to use it.

nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 2 June 2005 19:57 (twenty-one years ago)

you are WEAK, and he is STRONG.


also you have too many body thetans.

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 2 June 2005 19:59 (twenty-one years ago)

http://isg05.casalemedia.com/V2/39662/50448/warning.gif

jw (orion), Thursday, 2 June 2005 20:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Of two minds about KT ditching the Edie project. 1, KT is not Edielike at all--Chloe Sevigny or similar seem far better suited to the roll. 2. At least it would have been an arty project for her, better than Bat, President et al.

Mary (Mary), Friday, 3 June 2005 04:11 (twenty-one years ago)

"Tom didn't want her to take the role because it portrayed her as a victim and he said she should only take strong roles."

So creepy.

not particularly--that could be seen as a starmaking business strategy.

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 3 June 2005 12:08 (twenty-one years ago)

surprise: she actually plays batman in the new movie!

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Friday, 3 June 2005 12:41 (twenty-one years ago)

the thing is, i belive that huge chunks of pyschatriac care is deeply political, and there are enough examples of it being used as a method for social control, this needs to be said--it shouldnt be said by those who are transplanting one for the other

anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 3 June 2005 13:06 (twenty-one years ago)

What's Tom's midichlorian level at these days, that's what _I_ wanna know...

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Saturday, 4 June 2005 04:11 (twenty-one years ago)

You just really need to see these pictures:

http://www.defamer.com/hollywood/gossip/tom-cruise/photoblogging-tom-cruise-on-oprah-104673.php

Brother Builder (Unfortunate Prankster), Sunday, 5 June 2005 06:00 (twenty-one years ago)

just look at him. he's so happy about being so obviously not gay.

kingfish maximum overdrunk (Kingfish), Sunday, 5 June 2005 06:13 (twenty-one years ago)

where are the snipers when you need them most??????????????

http://www.oprahwinfrey.de/Bilder/Bilder/Tom%20Cruise_jpg.jpg

Amon (eman), Sunday, 5 June 2005 06:33 (twenty-one years ago)

BULLSHIT DETECTOR

http://www.scientologytoday.org/corp/img/emeter.jpg

Amon (eman), Sunday, 5 June 2005 06:36 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.xs4all.nl/~fishman/travolta.jpg

Amon (eman), Sunday, 5 June 2005 06:37 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Secrets/E-Meter/EMeter-02.gif

Amon (eman), Sunday, 5 June 2005 06:39 (twenty-one years ago)

LAUGH AT MY FARTING SKILLZ! OR I'LL BRING OUT THE E-METER!

(xxxxpost)

caitlin (caitlin), Sunday, 5 June 2005 06:45 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/authors/william-s-burroughs/emeter.jpg

Along the way Burroughs experimented with yet another technique for going deeper into one's mental filters: Scientology. L. Ron Hubbard, creator of Scientology, was teaching that memories of events, or of words overheard while sleeping, and even of past life events were stored in a person's unconscious mental record. By bringing this information out into the open, the emotional charge on this baggage could be "cleared". What so impressed Burroughs was the effectiveness of the Scientology techniques. He once wrote that one could accomplish more with 10 hours of Scientology techniques than with 10 years of psychotherapy. He felt he accomplished a great deal of self healing through applying their methods, and for a time he was obsessed with "audits" and "E-meters".

But as he penetrated more deeply into the church he discovered that the visionary Hubbard was also an eccentric fascist and that his "church" used appallingly effective mind control techniques to assure a steady supply of loyalty, secrecy, and cash. Burroughs found it sickening and ironic that a tool effective for setting people free was being used to enslave them in other ways. He broke with Scientology and went on to blab all that he knew. (Note that a man with fewer guns might not have been so brave! Scientology had a strong policy of punishing those who broke the silence or pissed them off.)

Amon (eman), Sunday, 5 June 2005 06:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Is Oprah a scientologist?

Oprah says her best friends are Tom Cruise and John Travolta. She also seems quite fond of Kirstie Ally.

Oh, and poor fucking Beck. He is TOTALLY a Scientologist. I had thought it was just a rumor, but he admitted it, donates to Scientology, married and had a baby with a Scientologist who comes from a Scientologist family and a whole bunch of obviously weird shit. I almost wonder if they groomed him to become a famous musician from the start in order to rake in big bucks for them.

Brother Builder (Unfortunate Prankster), Sunday, 5 June 2005 07:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I am a clinical psychologist, and this is a cool and interesting thread. :)

A few random comments on reading the above, that to me are important to re-iterate, I guess with the overarching theme that when we are talking about mental health, it is best not to form generalizations (usually based on your own personal experience and/or that of your immediate social circle). These are such complex issues with such a huge range of variability in experience.

A mental disorder != a mental disorder != a mental disorder, and therefore the respective role that medication might play in treating is different depending on what it is you are talking about. All other things being equal, for example, I would view psychotropic meds as being an essential part of treatment for full-blown schizophrenia, whereas it is not necessarily essential for major depression.

It also depends a lot on each individual's case, and what they are bringing to the table. There are people I see who clearly walk into our office expecting to be 'shown the magic pill' to make their problems vanish (they are fooling themselves--no such pill or combination of pills exists). On the other extreme, there are also people for whom medication potentially could help them quite a bit, but they are not willing to entertain the thought of even trying it just to see if it could help them.

So, there is no easy answer or generalization you can make, psychiatric meds are 'always evil' or 'always good', that is a tenable one. If Tom Cruise's take is that meds are 'always evil' or 'should not be considered', it seems to me he is taking his own personal experience and trying to apply it to everyone--to be fair to him, I see people do this all the time when talking about mental health disorders. But it usually results in supremely naive and overly simplistic positions. In the case of Cruise, one that refuses to confront the fact that psychiatric meds have genuinely helped a lot of people--and I say that from the position of someone whose own admitted bias, as a therapist and personally, is that people don't look as much as they should towards making changes in their behavior and lifestyle.


One of my supervisors at work uses an analogy that I quite like--think of a salmon trying to swim upstream against a huge waterfall to reach a certain homebound destination. Medication is like levelling-out the slope of the waterfall so that you can swim more unobstructed, whereas psychotherapy is like teaching you to swim more efficiently. At the end of the day, you still need to be able to swim forward if you with to reach your destination (whatever goal you have). And maybe you may conclude that the speed/efficiency with which you naturally swim may or may not 'work' enough for you as it is; but leveling the slope of the waterfall in and of itself probably isn't going to be enough to get you to where you want to be.

Joe (Joe), Sunday, 5 June 2005 17:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I was going to say that I want a motorboat, then realised that that would be of limited use when faced with a waterfall...

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 5 June 2005 18:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I just don't understand about Beck. I mean, he had hundreds in his pockets when he was supposedly flat broke living on couches in NY. Maybe he's been brainwashed his whole life to be a musician? Maybe that's why he's pretty good at it.

Brother Builder (Unfortunate Prankster), Sunday, 5 June 2005 19:54 (twenty-one years ago)

dudes, did u hear brooke shields' revenge-swipe at Tom from last week? She said that she's going to leave two free tickets for Tom for her stage show of Chicago ....ONE ADULT AND ONE CHILD

go brooke!!!

Vichitravirya XI, Sunday, 5 June 2005 20:44 (twenty-one years ago)

She could mean that Tom is the child, mentally speaking, but I doubt it. Good one either way.

Brother Builder (Unfortunate Prankster), Sunday, 5 June 2005 21:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Judging from the way Brooke looks in the very prevalent posters here in London, going to see her perform would be punishment enough.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 5 June 2005 21:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I saw her in Cabaret. She looked like an amazon woman. Huge legs. Was never into her look, anyway. Too classic or something. Plus the eyebrows.

Brother Builder (Unfortunate Prankster), Sunday, 5 June 2005 21:54 (twenty-one years ago)

she looks great these days. you are all mental

kyle (akmonday), Sunday, 5 June 2005 21:58 (twenty-one years ago)

And now he's trying to groom the Beckhams, apparently!

suzy (suzy), Sunday, 5 June 2005 22:03 (twenty-one years ago)

ONE ADULT AND ONE CHILD

AWWWW SNAP

kingfish maximum overdrunk (Kingfish), Sunday, 5 June 2005 22:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha, this is from today's Sydney Morning Herald:

Life must be tough for Katie Holmes, the new virgin queen of Hollywood.

In Sin City, few will wait until the wedding night to consummate their passion. That casting couch legend didn't just procreate itself, after all. And hey, in the disposable world of show biz, the other person might not be famous the next morning, never mind the day of a wedding months later. It's just unthinkable to wait that long.

But not for Holmes, 26. She has taken a solemn vow to stay a virgin until her honeymoon.

She could have dodged all the bedtime bother by dating a notorious closet homosexual and have him declare his undying love for her. Instead, she chose to fall for testosterone-charged action man Tom Cruise, 42.

estela (estela), Monday, 6 June 2005 00:34 (twenty-one years ago)

: 0

jed_ (jed), Monday, 6 June 2005 00:39 (twenty-one years ago)

That's what you get for dumping "our Nic".

estela (estela), Monday, 6 June 2005 00:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Take a look at _Self Clearing_ by The Pilot, available freely online. A Church of Scientology reformer attempting to spread the techniques globally, freely (no money), to anyone who would be interested, including skeptics, critics, journalists, advanced or beginning Scientologsts and people who've been hurt by the COS.

From what I can gather so far, there is no mention of aliens! I do know that Hubbard grabbed his core techniques from other sources and, as William Burroughs said above, used these effective tools for setting people free to enslave them in other ways.

Googling Self Clearing The Pilot will allow you to find the document as a txt, word doc, pdf or web formatted version. It's 300 pages or so.

Brother Builder (Unfortunate Prankster), Monday, 6 June 2005 01:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I was reading "Self Clearing" by the Pilot last night for kicks. I woke up tired as living fuck this morning and figured I would def need a gigantic coffee. But, I am trying to quit coffee, so I tried the first exercise in "Self Clearing" which is to rapidly look and focus briefly on points in the room, generally the corners. It actually did work and it actually worked fast. I will be using this every mid-afternoon when I'm falling asleep at my desk from now on.

Brother Builder (Unfortunate Prankster), Monday, 6 June 2005 15:19 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.defamer.com/hollywood/tom-oprah-fight3.jpg

The Ghost of SHAKE IT LIKE A POLAROID PICTURE (Dan Perry), Monday, 6 June 2005 15:28 (twenty-one years ago)

I still want Dean to do a series of paintings based on these screenshots. I don't have any money, tho. Someone please donate.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 6 June 2005 15:33 (twenty-one years ago)

She could have dodged all the bedtime bother by dating a notorious closet homosexual and have him declare his undying love for her. Instead, she chose to fall for testosterone-charged action man Tom Cruise, 42.

i hope this is poker-faced humor

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 6 June 2005 16:55 (twenty-one years ago)

four months pass...
hm

feminazi (feminazi), Saturday, 8 October 2005 21:02 (twenty years ago)


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