W. Mark Felt Deep Throat?

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So sayeth Vanity Fair. All over ABC right now... more to come... He's not dead, either. Woodward, etc. not confirming or denying.

― Jimmy Mod Is Great At Getting Us Into Trouble (ModJ), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 14:39 (twenty-one years ago)

*kick*

― Jimmy Mod Is Great At Getting Us Into Trouble (ModJ), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 14:39 (twenty-one years ago)

What are you going on about?

― D, Tuesday, 31 May 2005 14:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Who is W. Mark and why did he feel Deep Throat?

― Huk-L, Tuesday, 31 May 2005 14:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I think this belongs on the 'what are your tastes in porn' thread.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 14:43 (twenty-one years ago)

is there some news involved? he's always seemed the most likely candidate.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 14:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Appparently W. Mark Felt, former FBI deputy associate director is Deep Throat, according to an upcoming article in Vanity Fair.

― Jimmy Mod Is Great At Getting Us Into Trouble (ModJ), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 14:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Why Did Bob Woodward Lunch With Mark Felt in 1999?

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 14:44 (twenty-one years ago)

is ABC reporting that he has identified himself as same?

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 14:47 (twenty-one years ago)

So is CNN.

― Jimmy Mod Is Great At Getting Us Into Trouble (ModJ), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 14:48 (twenty-one years ago)

a Daily Kos comment states that he has

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 14:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I think this belongs on the 'what are your tastes in porn' thread. I don't think this is about porn.

― nathalie's baby (stevie nixed), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 14:56 (twenty-one years ago)

so it's reported that
1) he id'd himself as such to his kids, at least initially in inadvertent fashion, and then to the VF reporter
2) he met with Woodward before speaking to VF
3) Bernstein released a statement that they would not reveal DT's identity until he dies

Does this sequence give any credence to the idea (which I've never believed) that DT was a composite?

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 15:16 (twenty-one years ago)

W&B have always denied same

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 15:17 (twenty-one years ago)

He's 91!

― Huk-L, Tuesday, 31 May 2005 15:27 (twenty-one years ago)

you can get a PDF of the article here

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 15:48 (twenty-one years ago)

guy looks nothin like Hal Holbrook

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 16:19 (twenty-one years ago)

you're joking?

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 16:20 (twenty-one years ago)

What? He doesn't!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 16:27 (twenty-one years ago)

you're asking?

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 16:28 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm totally confused now.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 16:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Just follow the money.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 16:29 (twenty-one years ago)

not exactly the same or anything, but I think they're pretty close for movie cognates

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 16:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Guy looks nothing like Mark Twain either.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 16:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Bring on the googlers.

― Community Cornerstone (deangulberry), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 16:39 (twenty-one years ago)

guy looks nothing like Linda Lovelace

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 16:40 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.laurinmanning.com/blog/wp-images/felt.jpg http://www.pbs.org/newshour/images/media/july-dec98/ano9.jpg

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 16:41 (twenty-one years ago)

(right side is only one i could find)

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 16:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Fun parlor game! Maybe in 30 years we can find out for sure who leaked Valerie Plame's name to Bob Novak, or who Michael Isikoff's source was on the Gitmo Quran-flushing story.

― rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:02 (twenty-one years ago)

why are either of those things anything more than a fun parlor game?

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:10 (twenty-one years ago)

trust....no...one...*dies*

― latebloomer: B Minus Time Traveler (latebloomer), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I apologize! Put the Twain mustache on him and Mrs Holbrook would have to look twice!

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:37 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.metroweekly.com/articles/attachments/2004-05-20_arts_and_entertainment_1040_1479.jpg

Mrs. Holbrook not so far away from Samuel Clemens either.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:39 (twenty-one years ago)

woodward confirmed it to the washington post (where he still works)

― a banana (alanbanana), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 20:29 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8047258/?GT1=6657

― latebloomer: Pain Don't Hurt (latebloomer), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 21:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Here's some interesting grist for the mill -- from a list of presidential pardons and when they were granted:

W. Mark Felt and Edward Miller (Reagan, 1981; clemency for authorizing FBI agents to break into Vietnam protestors' offices without warrants)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 00:34 (twenty-one years ago)

This is really the biggest revelation letdown since "Who Shot JR."

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 12:27 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah Felt's kind of disappointing. Considering at the time he was probably bitter about being passed up to head the FBI by Nixon after Hoover's death, and was more than happy to engage in illegal shenanigans targeting the Weather Underground...

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 1 June 2005 15:13 (twenty-one years ago)

fun follow up today, about how G Gordon Liddy felt betrayed, et al.

― kf, Wednesday, 1 June 2005 15:18 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah Liddy... he's hilarious. Obviously the right doesn't want the Democrats to be able to make any kind of political hay about this, so they're trotting out the attack dogs in a pre-emptive strike...

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 1 June 2005 15:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Or Chuck Colson calling him a criminal.

http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/oliphant/thoa048.jpg

Uh-hum.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 15:22 (twenty-one years ago)

This is really the biggest revelation letdown since "Who Shot JR."

I think it's great. Up with bureaucrats. Who do you want, Poppy Bush?

Dean (John) is talking about how it can't be Felt alone, because he couldn't have known everything attributed to him. There's reason to be skeptical of Dean, not least given the cottage industry he's built for himself on the issue, but I still don't think the jury's out on the composite question. Note the wording of Woodstein's statement - they're probably just paying tribute to all of their other sources, but you can read it to say that Felt "was Deep Throat" but that he was not Deep Throat alone.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 15:58 (twenty-one years ago)

How ironic it would be if John Dean died of cancer?

― Aimless (Aimless), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 16:15 (twenty-one years ago)

you can read it to say that Felt "was Deep Throat" but that he was not Deep Throat alone

If you read it backwards, it says that Sally Quinn is dead.

― rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 16:25 (twenty-one years ago)

"I buried Katie Graham"

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 16:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Beltway provincialism bad, Brooklyn provincialism good?

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 16:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, do your screenshots of CNN.COM while you can.. probably the only time you'll see "Deep Throat" in font size MEGA on the front page of the site.

― donut debonair (donut), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 16:56 (twenty-one years ago)

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050601/capt.utsal50206011724.deep_throat_watergate_utsal502.jpg?x=289&y=345&sig=VvzPR_U0vt4gry8dMAfV8g--

This keeps getting better and better.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 17:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Contextualizing Deep Throat in much the way I do. Not the sentiment that Felt is cashing in, but the awareness that there's still whistleblowers around, but a large portion of the country does not care about, or supports vehemently, the lawbreakers.

Dude states that it's merely one party rule choking off investigations, and maybe that's it, but I also think that a big problem is that there is no "critical mass" of conscience in the government. Not enough adults. Not enough patriots, which to me includes loving the Constitution.

I assume my feelings are similar to how Conservative Christians felt about the government under Clinton? That everything was wrong, as exemplified by him, in such a way to endanger the country's future? Why is it so clear to me that his lie was not material, that it might have been emblematic of his personal mores, but that it did not appear to be pointing to anything that substantively endangered the US? And that he might be a despicable husband, but not a treasonous President? Is it because lots of people understand the wrongness of extramarital affairs (or just think blowjobs are wrong), but do not understand the wrongness and REAL danger of subversion of the Constitution? Maybe Billmon is right, and much of it is just fear and anger post 9/11, I'd almost prefer that to ignorance of, or hostility to, their own system of government.

"What [the nation] may need is a new population (or half of a population, anyway), one that hasn't been stupified or brainwashed into blind submission, that won't look upon sadistic corruption and call it patriotism, and that will refuse to trade the Bill of Rights for a plastic Jesus and a wholly false sense of security."

And as somebody said in a thread past, Bush would totally skate on Watergate today.

― Hunter (Hunter), Friday, 3 June 2005 15:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Did you read the widely syndicated Woodward piece this week? If Felt was so insistent on being maximally secretive on their meetings, WHO did he trust to look for the flowerpot signal, mark Bob W's NY Times, etc? Seems contradictory.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 3 June 2005 16:10 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah Liddy... he's hilarious. Obviously the right doesn't want the Democrats to be able to make any kind of political hay about this, so they're trotting out the attack dogs in a pre-emptive strike...

-- Shakey Mo Collier (audiobo...), June 1st, 2005.

Hi Dere

― Am0n, Friday, 3 June 2005 16:14 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost I did read it yesterday, Woodward keeps asking that same question in it.

I'd be interested to know how well the right's attempt to revise Watergate as a violation of duty and a crime on the part of the informer has worked.

― Hunter (Hunter), Friday, 3 June 2005 16:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Gee, you think ol' Pat is pissed that he can't coast on the "maybe he's Deep Throat" rumors anymore, or what?

― rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Friday, 3 June 2005 16:19 (twenty-one years ago)

WOW. WOW.

I'd heard about his rant, hadn't read it til now. And, it ties right into my Monicagate comment above. Again, these things are of equivalent importance?

"stenographers"
Project much?

― Hunter (Hunter), Friday, 3 June 2005 16:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Peggy Noonan also took quite a dip in the deep end on all this:

Were there heroes of Watergate? Surely many unknown ones, those who did their best to be constructive and not destructive, those who didn't think it was all about their beautiful careers. I'll give you a candidate for great man of the era: Chuck Colson. Colson functioned in the Nixon White House as a genuinely bad man, went to prison and emerged a genuinely good man. He told the truth about himself in "Born Again," a book not fully appreciated as the great Washington classic it is, and has devoted his life to helping prisoners and their families. He paid the price, told the truth, blamed no one but himself, and turned his shame into something helpful. Children aren't dead because of him. There are children who are alive because of him.

http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/pnoonan/?id=110006763

― rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Friday, 3 June 2005 16:27 (twenty-one years ago)

PB: ANY KID WHO SNITCHES ON A KID IS A DEAD KID.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 3 June 2005 16:29 (twenty-one years ago)

PN: THE PRODIGAL SON RULEZ -- THE OLDER SON CAN SUCK EGGS.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 3 June 2005 16:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Is this W's appeal?

― Hunter (Hunter), Friday, 3 June 2005 16:40 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...

Great stuff... "I've investigated the leaks, and it sure isn't me."

http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20050704&s=goldberg

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 19:06 (twenty years ago)

three years pass...

guy who never said "Follow the money" dies at 95:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/19/washington/19felt.html?_r=1&hp

― Dr Morbius, Friday, 19 December 2008 15:47 (seventeen years ago)

RIP G-Man

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2005/06/03/PH2005060301470.jpg

― Chris Barrus (Elvis Telecom), Friday, 19 December 2008 18:42 (seventeen years ago)

Rip big man. In a way I owe my career to you. You'll be missed.

― Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 19 December 2008 18:53 (seventeen years ago)

Rip big man. In a way I owe my career to you. You'll be missed.

― Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, December 19, 2008 1:53 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

are you gerald ford?

― Dr. Yakubius (and what), Friday, 19 December 2008 19:02 (seventeen years ago)

Yes, yes I am.

― Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 19 December 2008 19:02 (seventeen years ago)

RIP. Anyone who helped bring down the most despicable president in history (tho possibly not the worst) has a free pass into heaven.

― J.D., Friday, 19 December 2008 19:19 (seventeen years ago)

nine years pass...

Liam Neeson film is so-so. Woodward makes a couple of token appearances (including a garage scene--perilous). Basically hagiography. I did find it interesting, in view of the way the story is framed here--it begins with Felt getting passed over for the directorship upon Hoover's death--that the obvious motivation of revenge didn't out Felt years earlier. There's more than a hint, mind you, that the White House knew it was Felt but was intimidated by everything he knew going back 30 years.

The Post opens here next week.

― clemenza, Saturday, 30 December 2017 23:39 (eight years ago)

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