Bush Calls Human Rights Report 'Absurd' By TERENCE HUNT, AP White House Correspondent 1 hour, 25 minutes ago WASHINGTON - President Bush on Tuesday dismissed a human rights report as "absurd" for its harsh criticism of U.S. treatment of terrorist suspects at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, saying the allegations were made by prisoners "who hate America." It's an absurd allegation. The United States is a country that promotes freedom around the world," Bush said of the Amnesty International report that compared Guantanamo to a Soviet-era gulag.In a Rose Garden news conference, Bush defiantly stood by his domestic policy agenda while defending his actions abroad. He repeatedly pledged to press ahead — "The president has got to push, he's got to keep leading" — despite mounting criticism...[...]On the Amnesty International report, Bush said, "It seemed like to me they based some of their decisions on the word of the allegations by people who were held in detention, people who hate America."[..]Turning to the controversial issue of embryonic stem cell research, Bush said that the extra embryos created during fertility treatments — estimated to now number around 400,000 — should be adopted. "There's an alternative to the destruction of life," he said. "But the stem cell issue is really one of federal funding, that's the issue before us, and that is whether or not we use taxpayers' money to destroy life. ... I don't believe we should..."
WASHINGTON - President Bush on Tuesday dismissed a human rights report as "absurd" for its harsh criticism of U.S. treatment of terrorist suspects at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, saying the allegations were made by prisoners "who hate America."
It's an absurd allegation. The United States is a country that promotes freedom around the world," Bush said of the Amnesty International report that compared Guantanamo to a Soviet-era gulag.
In a Rose Garden news conference, Bush defiantly stood by his domestic policy agenda while defending his actions abroad. He repeatedly pledged to press ahead — "The president has got to push, he's got to keep leading" — despite mounting criticism...
[...]
On the Amnesty International report, Bush said, "It seemed like to me they based some of their decisions on the word of the allegations by people who were held in detention, people who hate America."
[..]
Turning to the controversial issue of embryonic stem cell research, Bush said that the extra embryos created during fertility treatments — estimated to now number around 400,000 — should be adopted.
"There's an alternative to the destruction of life," he said. "But the stem cell issue is really one of federal funding, that's the issue before us, and that is whether or not we use taxpayers' money to destroy life. ... I don't believe we should..."
of course, no mention of the fact that several folks who made the allegations were people released since they had no connection with any terr'ist activities...
good thing that he got the stem cell Talking Point in there, too.
― kf, Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:02 (twenty-one years ago)
― Huk-L, Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:08 (twenty-one years ago)
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:10 (twenty-one years ago)
― diedre mousedropping and a quarter (Dave225), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:10 (twenty-one years ago)
One Ninth Grade Life Sciences textbook.
― Huk-L, Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:15 (twenty-one years ago)
― kf, Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:19 (twenty-one years ago)
― Huk-L, Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:21 (twenty-one years ago)
How is it that he's aware of this stupid little report, but is rarely aware of critical intelligence reports?
― diedre mousedropping and a quarter (Dave225), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:22 (twenty-one years ago)
― Actor Sizemore fails drug test with fake penis (jingleberries), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:27 (twenty-one years ago)
― M. White (Miguelito), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:31 (twenty-one years ago)
wtf?
― Huk-L, Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:32 (twenty-one years ago)
Basically, if he believes the talking point "The United States is a country that promotes freedom around the world," he has trouble accepting anything that threatens or is consistent with that notion.
― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:46 (twenty-one years ago)
― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:47 (twenty-one years ago)
The closest they've gotten to the nub of the problem yet can be seen here:
There have been abuses, some of them very serious, and our enemies have used this as a propaganda tool. This, however, is not uncommon in war. Indeed, prisoner abuse occurs in peacetime as well, in virtually all civilian penitentiaries, whether in the U.S. or abroad. Unlike our enemies, however, the United States investigates, prosecutes and punishes those responsible for instances of abuse. This is how our values can be, and have been, vindicated.
The assumption is of course that perfection is here, in otherwards that all prison abuse everywhere in the US, in peacetime or wartime contexts, is duly rooted out and punished. I find this assumption to be unwarranted.
At the least, however, they are acknowledging something they have been loathe to accept -- "our enemies have used this as a propaganda tool." The tone of the entire post shows that they consider their enemies to equally be political opponents at home as much as it is the al-Qaeda phantom, a combative mindset indeed. But they can't have it both ways -- either the abuses are reported openly and they risk the problems of propaganda or the abuses are NOT reported and therefore the whole point of making it known that we are supposedly punishing and investigating becomes moot. At this point they are hedging on the former option but only because the latter is becoming increasingly untenable.
Another telling example of the switch-in-process can be seen at Instapundit, where for the first time Glenn Reynolds flatly talks about torture evidence (as discussed here) without caveats about (paraphrasing here) 'aid and comfort to the enemy' or similar complaints about what charges and reports *have* come up before. It's essentially an acceptance in context, if still a grudging one (as his long-time sparring partner on this subject Sullivan notes, and rightly too I think, the language Reynolds uses in accepting this report is partly -- but I highly doubt entirely -- directed backhandedly at him).
This will develop but Bush's statements today give the right something to cling onto. The consequences of this -- that investigating and publicizing these charges now must become a priority by default -- seems not yet to be clear to them.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 18:03 (twenty-one years ago)
i actually wish there were something to parse there, some kind of prevarication, but i think bush actually accepts that logic.
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 18:15 (twenty-one years ago)
http://www.theonion.com/wdyt/index.php?issue=412
"The Democrats and Republicans—and most of the American public—are actually in agreement over an issue. You can see how Bush would want to put a stop to that right away."
or
"They're not stems, they're babies! And they're not cells, they're babies! And it's not research, it's babies!"
― kingfish maximum overdrunk (Kingfish), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 22:57 (twenty-one years ago)
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 31 May 2005 23:39 (twenty-one years ago)
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Wednesday, 1 June 2005 02:09 (twenty-one years ago)
― kingfish maximum overdrunk (Kingfish), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 02:20 (twenty-one years ago)
Did nobody mention the words "Death Penalty" at this point?
― Jetlag Willy (noodle vague), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 18:31 (twenty-one years ago)
― M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 18:32 (twenty-one years ago)
― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 18:51 (twenty-one years ago)
― Huk-L, Wednesday, 1 June 2005 18:52 (twenty-one years ago)