Joe Biden, Senator from Citibank (oops, DELAWARE), to Run for President

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Biden says he intends to run for president

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 19 June 2005 19:49 (fourteen years ago) link

in case anyone is curious about what would make vote 3d party -- or not at all -- for president, it is this. and i am saying this as someone who would vote for lieberman if the republican was much worse. everytime you use yer credit cards, you pay for this assclown's campaign.

that said, i anticipate that he won't even come close to winning the nomination.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 19 June 2005 19:51 (fourteen years ago) link

i like plagirizin' joe!

hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 19 June 2005 19:52 (fourteen years ago) link

you may sing a different tune if you ever have to consider bankruptcy ... and find that you can't do that b/c of sen. mastercard.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 19 June 2005 19:55 (fourteen years ago) link

http://media.rapnewsdirect.com/CDCovers/Joe_Budden/Joe_Budden/t.300.default.jpg

Hugh Jarmes (jaxon), Sunday, 19 June 2005 20:00 (fourteen years ago) link

he wasn't the only senator to vote for that bill, ya know.

hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 19 June 2005 20:12 (fourteen years ago) link

he's the only one who voted for it who has announced that he's running for president. and he is ESPECIALLY bad & shameless wr2 the credit card industry.

everyone has their lines that cannot be crossed. and this is mine.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 19 June 2005 20:26 (fourteen years ago) link

He is deluded by his standing in the Senate. His standing in the country is 'meh'.

Aimless (Aimless), Sunday, 19 June 2005 20:43 (fourteen years ago) link

name an office holding democrat with a higher national profile on foreign affairs or the war on terrorism

j blount (papa la bas), Sunday, 19 June 2005 20:46 (fourteen years ago) link

Have any Republicanz announced other than Frist?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 19 June 2005 20:53 (fourteen years ago) link

The credit card bizness is something I need to get into. I'd name my card like, UserioCard.

Biden's a tool, but promoting Lieberman ahead of him seems so so wrong. He pushes all my buttons, maybe it's a style thing.

Is Frist's running mate Terry Schiavo, I heard he just pronounced her alive and well.

Hunter (Hunter), Sunday, 19 June 2005 20:58 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm not a huge fan of Biden, but Lieberman is much worse (esp. since insurance industry and credit industry cancel each other out by and large.)

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:14 (fourteen years ago) link

oh don't get me wrong -- i don't like lieberman very much, either. and now that i think about it, maybe lieberman IS worse -- at least biden isn't a self-righteous bluenose.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:21 (fourteen years ago) link

both joes are treacherous, back-stabbing wusses and neither one is who i would pick to lead the democratic party.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:27 (fourteen years ago) link

No disagreement there.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:28 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh, but come 2008 you'll line up to vote for either of them if you have to. The Democrats know they've got you by the short and curlies.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:29 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh I'd vote for either them over anyone the Republicans have put up since oh maybe Eisenhower, but that's not saying a hell of a lot.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:31 (fourteen years ago) link

I mean technically I've already voted for a Lieberman ticket.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:33 (fourteen years ago) link

well, the thing to do is make sure that neither joementum GETS to be the nominee. and neither one is likely to, so what i'm saying is hot air i guess.

i'm tempted to answer milo by saying "not this time," but i know myself better than that -- still, if either biden or lieberman is the man on 11/2008 then i am going into the voting booth w/ a HAZMAT suit (if i bother to show up at all).

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:33 (fourteen years ago) link

blount otm. also, name a national democrat with a greater toughness/competence (i.e. will keep you safe) aura

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:36 (fourteen years ago) link

Clark?

Hunter (Hunter), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:39 (fourteen years ago) link

The guy literaly doesn't blink, who's tougher than that?

Hunter (Hunter), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:39 (fourteen years ago) link

Now you're talking.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:41 (fourteen years ago) link

Haha, so he passes the Ross Perot test, then?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:42 (fourteen years ago) link

the quality blount and gabbneb allude to = "most likely democrat to be voted for by republican-voting voters if all actual real republican candidates for some reason declined to stand"

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:42 (fourteen years ago) link

Well, how did Clinton win twice then?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:46 (fourteen years ago) link

by being black

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:47 (fourteen years ago) link

mark s - there are a lot of people who vote for Republicans who *aren't* Republicans. and as for the qualities blount and I allude to, name a Republican prospect (other than McCain or Cheney, who I think we'd both concede) who has more of them than Biden.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:48 (fourteen years ago) link

Well, how did Clinton win twice then?

George H.W. Bush. Robert J. Dole.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:49 (fourteen years ago) link

it's all about who is most vigorous, while still retaining credibility that they know what they're doing

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:50 (fourteen years ago) link

In that case, it's too bad Bush can't run again.

Hunter (Hunter), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:54 (fourteen years ago) link

this is exactly the type of thinking that got us john kerry.

and republicans have credit card bills, too.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:58 (fourteen years ago) link

the idea that biden - still less lieberman - can pick up whatever of the "clinton vote" that went to 43 seems demented to me

both of them are way more beltway-insider names than they are "outsider-running-against-the-system" names

clinton won (first time) bcz of perot also

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:00 (fourteen years ago) link

no, it's exactly the opposite of the thinking that got us John Kerry. have you ever seen a sleepier candidate?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:00 (fourteen years ago) link

ie clinton was a system-glitch president in some ways (tho so wz 43)

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:02 (fourteen years ago) link

Kerry was picked on resume, rather than personal characteristics (where Biden easily outweighs him).

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:03 (fourteen years ago) link

he is ESPECIALLY bad & shameless wr2 the credit card industry.

right, because he is the Senator from Delaware. when he is President, he won't be from Delaware anymore.

also, is there some way that this is equivalent to being especially bad & shameless wrt EVERY industry (tho the drug companies especially, in Frist's case)?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:06 (fourteen years ago) link

gabb, if yer posts are typical of what other democratic apparatchiki are thinking then the party is good and fucked. and the rest of us better get used to saying "president jeb bush."

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:08 (fourteen years ago) link

why? who do you think is better?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:09 (fourteen years ago) link

I don't think Clinton was that much of a system glitch winner as you say. It was a veritable electoral college landslide both times.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:11 (fourteen years ago) link

at this stage in the 1992 election wasn't biden considered a way sweeter candidate than clinton? when the dems began their run-off against each other, clinton was an outsider and low in the field

perot was the glitch - a third-party contender bcz he was RICHER THAN CROESUS he holed bush's vote then collapsed himself: that's a pretty rare circumstance; i don't believe clinton wd have smashed through bush's defences on his own

clinton second time was merely a successful amd popular incumbent, so not a glitch winner then, no

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:22 (fourteen years ago) link

if there'd been a significant perot-style third-party candidate robbing bush43 from the libertarian right last year, kerry could have won

(i somewhat doubt he would, given what a fuck-awful show he put on)

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:26 (fourteen years ago) link

"at this stage in the 1992 election" = 1989 i guess!

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:27 (fourteen years ago) link

exit polling showed that Clinton would have won 92 without Perot

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:30 (fourteen years ago) link

And that Kerry won.

Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:47 (fourteen years ago) link

Perot voters were split between Bush and Clinton as second-choice and voted strongly Democrat down-ballot. Perot 'stealing' the election for Clinton is pretty much a myth.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Sunday, 19 June 2005 23:06 (fourteen years ago) link

And that Kerry won.

the exit polls in 92 matched the results. and maybe Kerry did win.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 23:32 (fourteen years ago) link

sorry my post abt kerry obscured the point i wz makin abt perot's role in transforming the dynamic in mid-92 (which exit polls say nothing abt): i wasn't saying perot ended up splitting the republican vote (which i kinda WAS saying might have happened last year, which wz a difft kind of battle in a very difft situation)

"difft kind of battle in a very difft situation" is actually the general point i am makin: biden seems to me the poster-boy of "if things play out the way they did last time, it's OUR TURN"

mark s (mark s), Monday, 20 June 2005 01:09 (fourteen years ago) link

but whatever it's 3 o'clock in the morning and 91° here so my um "analytical skills" are sharply cut w.the perverse boredom of bein unable to get to sleep

mark s (mark s), Monday, 20 June 2005 01:11 (fourteen years ago) link

guys, 2008 is faaaaaaaaaaaaaar away in policital time.

Bush could be assassinated by then.

Did many know who the hell Clinton was outside Arkansas before the 1992 election?

Let Biden try. I'm voting for the best guy.. if McCain runs and wins the nomination for the Repubs and someone like Biden or Lieberman wins the Dem nomination, I'm considering McCain..(and i stress "considering")

IF that happens, so much for what a Dem or Repub means.

donut e-goo (donut), Monday, 20 June 2005 01:35 (fourteen years ago) link

Gosh, that settles that then.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Friday, 22 May 2020 19:46 (three days ago) link

putting side the "ain't black" words, the problem is he responded to a black man's concerns about his community—the last chunk of the interview was asking him about his involvement w/ mandatory minimum sentencing in the 80s—by saying "if you can't tell the difference btw me and Trump..."

which is patronizing and condecending, and Charlemagne shouldn't have had to say in response to that "it has nothing to do w/ Trump, it's something to do w/ what I want for my community" but hey that's what goes on itt all day long

Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 22 May 2020 19:50 (three days ago) link

Biden-Harris 2020 "Take It Or Leave It"

Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 22 May 2020 19:51 (three days ago) link

You got to have some f*cking nerve to say that shit with a whole smile on your face like you just hit a clutch shot at the buzzer.#YouAintBlack

— Benjamin Dixon (@BenjaminPDixon) May 22, 2020

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Friday, 22 May 2020 19:54 (three days ago) link

tbf Biden's explanation for how mandatory minimum sentencing came about was a good one and I hadn't heard it explained that way b4

Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 22 May 2020 19:55 (three days ago) link

Biden-Klobuchar 2020: You Can Dodge Progress But I Bet You Can’t Dodge This Stapler

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Friday, 22 May 2020 19:59 (three days ago) link

Maybe it’s good that Biden is comfortable saying un-PC things as it signals he isn’t part of the scolding, educated, coastal liberal class. It is this population voters really hate, and not just white voter

I vote and I like us a lot

Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 22 May 2020 20:02 (three days ago) link

As a rootless cosmopolitan coastal elite latte sipping Goddamn Jew liberal I don’t particularly care about what the supposed un-PC majority thinks of me!

silby, Friday, 22 May 2020 20:05 (three days ago) link

none of us would be elected president

treeship., Friday, 22 May 2020 20:08 (three days ago) link

lol every day i read the threads here and think 'thank g-d these ppl aren't in charge"

lumen (esby), Friday, 22 May 2020 20:09 (three days ago) link

middle-American and Southern and rust-belt voters don't think of me at all, let alone think anything about me, but I think they should all have health care, housing, transport infrastructure and access to multiple sources of free press

Bleeqwot (sic), Friday, 22 May 2020 20:10 (three days ago) link

but not guns, nor billionaires to stan

Bleeqwot (sic), Friday, 22 May 2020 20:11 (three days ago) link

fuck your freedoms, I guess

Bleeqwot (sic), Friday, 22 May 2020 20:11 (three days ago) link

lol every day i read the threads here and think 'thank g-d these ppl aren't in charge"

― lumen (esby), Friday, May 22, 2020 3:09 PM (three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

yeah, things are much better with the guys we have now

ruin a band name by changing one litter (voodoo chili), Friday, 22 May 2020 20:13 (three days ago) link

mods, how many flagged posts does Trump have?

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Friday, 22 May 2020 20:14 (three days ago) link

NEW: Former VP Joe Biden just dialed into a U.S. Black Chamber call and addressed his remarks to Charlamagne tha God. Biden said, "I shouldn't have been such a wise guy. I shouldn't have been so cavalier...I have never, ever taken the African American community for granted."

— Yamiche Alcindor (@Yamiche) May 22, 2020

Mordy, Friday, 22 May 2020 20:15 (three days ago) link

that's a good apology, to be honest. i'll bet this is a net plus for him.

treeship., Friday, 22 May 2020 20:16 (three days ago) link

I shouldn't have been such a wise guy/I shouldn't have been so cav-a-lieeeeeer

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Friday, 22 May 2020 20:17 (three days ago) link

i'll bet this is a net plus for him

55d chess baby

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Friday, 22 May 2020 20:25 (three days ago) link

I was not expecting the Tara Reade story to collapse as quickly as it has this week.

akm, Friday, 22 May 2020 20:29 (three days ago) link

“I have never, ever taken the African American community for granted” O RLY

thewufs, Friday, 22 May 2020 20:42 (three days ago) link

He gets in a good, reasoned, appropriately contrite statement but he just can’t end it there. He has to throw in this self-serving bullshit at the end. He can’t help himself.

Narcissists gonna narciss, I guess

thewufs, Friday, 22 May 2020 20:47 (three days ago) link

https://www.businessinsider.com/biden-said-desegregation-would-create-a-racial-jungle-2019-7

Joe Biden has always been a racist piece of shit, news at 11.

Sabre of Paradise (trevor phillips), Friday, 22 May 2020 20:50 (three days ago) link

Joe Biden sucks.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Friday, 22 May 2020 20:52 (three days ago) link

I want to send a bag of dog poop to every asshole who’s talked about the White Men of the Left and then lined up to kiss this asshole’s wingtips.

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Friday, 22 May 2020 20:55 (three days ago) link

let alone kissing that wingtip's asshoe

silby, Friday, 22 May 2020 20:57 (three days ago) link

in case anyone is curious about what would make vote 3d party -- or not at all -- for president, it is this. and i am saying this as someone who would vote for lieberman if the republican was much worse. everytime you use yer credit cards, you pay for this assclown's campaign.
that said, i anticipate that he won't even come close to winning the nomination.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, June 19, 2005 12:51 PM (fourteen years ago) bookmarkflaglink

this thread hasn't changed since its first post nearly fifteen years ago

fatuous salad (symsymsym), Friday, 22 May 2020 21:00 (three days ago) link

Sometimes instead of reading this thread I watch this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLeUt-jBE4Y

Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 22 May 2020 21:05 (three days ago) link

xp that's because joe biden hasn't changed, never has, never will, jack

j., Friday, 22 May 2020 21:05 (three days ago) link

Untrue, he's definitely encountered some cognitive decline over the past decade and a half

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Friday, 22 May 2020 21:08 (three days ago) link

That Aubrey Plaza clip is really funny...Honest question: is she parodying that kind of whatever-spaciness, or is that how she really is? Either way it's funny.

clemenza, Friday, 22 May 2020 21:22 (three days ago) link

That is fairly mild from her - I think she's been this way since she had a stroke aged 20. There's a good compilation of talkshow clips on youtube called "Aubrey Plaza is really WEIRD and...AWKWARD. I love it!" Anyway she is brilliant and better than Joe Biden in every way.

Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 22 May 2020 21:30 (three days ago) link

Fast work. Trump campaign is already selling "You ain't black" shirts for $30. https://t.co/6ZouwVf37H

— Josh Dawsey (@jdawsey1) May 22, 2020

ruin a band name by changing one litter (voodoo chili), Friday, 22 May 2020 21:30 (three days ago) link

Hopefully some MAGAs get the shit kicked out of them for wearing that.

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Friday, 22 May 2020 21:36 (three days ago) link

The only good thing about that cringe-worthy Biden comment is that it may corner him into picking Kamala Harris (or Abrams, but I'm still hoping for Harris).

clemenza, Friday, 22 May 2020 23:44 (three days ago) link

Condoleeza Rice probably isn't doing much these days.

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Saturday, 23 May 2020 00:12 (two days ago) link

lol

treeship., Saturday, 23 May 2020 00:13 (two days ago) link

Condoleeza has a sweet seat on the College Football Playoffs selection board. I'mm going to take a wild guess and say she's got several other lucrative sinecures, sitting on a variety of Fortune 500 corporate boards. Those corporations tend to stockpile ex-cabinet level 'retirees' like self-isolating Costco shoppers stockpile toilet paper.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 23 May 2020 01:01 (two days ago) link

condoleeza rice no, but susan rice I would be happy with

Dan S, Saturday, 23 May 2020 01:08 (two days ago) link

milo, your thread is too long

― Morton Koopa Jr. Sings Elvis (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, May 22, 2020 bookmarkflaglink

Great post Sufjan!

the pinefox, Saturday, 23 May 2020 14:16 (two days ago) link

Hadrian otm upthread.

I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Saturday, 23 May 2020 14:51 (two days ago) link

did he say...? pic.twitter.com/J9Dik9T8L6

— i bless the rains down in castamere (@Chinchillazllla) May 23, 2020

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Saturday, 23 May 2020 15:48 (two days ago) link

oh lord

The lawyer for Tara Reade, the former Senate aide who has accused Joseph R. Biden Jr. of sexual assault, said Friday that he was no longer representing her, just two weeks after taking her on as a client. https://t.co/NvkQ3vWf07

— Scott Wong (@scottwongDC) May 22, 2020

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 23 May 2020 16:38 (two days ago) link

That phrasing makes it clear that the decision to part ways was made by her counsel, not her. Isn't that unusual once a lawyer has accepted a client's case?

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 23 May 2020 16:55 (two days ago) link

OK. Re-reading the tweet, it's less than clear who decided to part ways..

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 23 May 2020 16:57 (two days ago) link

Well, her ex-lawyer said all the right things so as not to make his dropping Reade as a client appear to be prejudicial against her, but it is very difficult not to draw inferences about his conclusions concerning the viability of her case.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 23 May 2020 18:01 (two days ago) link

yeah especially given that extra little message about the political double standard... clearly he was itching for another Dem target to "balance" things out

Nhex, Sunday, 24 May 2020 04:24 (yesterday) link

i'll bet this is a net plus for him

I'm not 100% convinced this won't be his 'deplorables' moment

(But as clemenza said, this might mean that he has to choose Harris for VP, who I'm not a huge fan of but who I think is the best out of a meh bunch)

weekly shopper helper (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 24 May 2020 08:27 (yesterday) link

Anyways watch this instead of thinking about Charlamagne

https://youtu.be/nGrB-5ieeMU

weekly shopper helper (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 24 May 2020 08:27 (yesterday) link


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