Joe Biden, Senator from Citibank (oops, DELAWARE), to Run for President

maybe karen hamilton is a huckster. who to believe

lol yeah it's a conspiracy in the registrar's office

Biden is not winning Wisconsin by 10 points

(I do think he's more likely than not to win in Wisconsin -- but it will probably be close.)

This shit is gonna narrow a lot by November

well, yeah

here's the actual history you're ignoring:

The "actual history" of his self-serving memoir written long after opinion had turned against Iraq.

Whereas his own words written in 2003 are aggressively pro-invasion, as are his public statements of the previous years.

This is untrue.

There’s probably no way of finding out who’s right

Yeah, like that would require Milo to read in good faith.

Not sure “good faith” means anything anymore, people use that phrase a lot, maybe try a different one

I'm good with it.

This is untrue.

"At that first hearing I said, and I quote, "President Bush has stated his determination to
remove Saddam from power. And the view of many in Congress, they share that view,
and I am among them."

Or here's Biden in the Senate:
“You and I believe, and many of us believe here, as long as Saddam is at the helm, there is no reasonable prospect you or any other inspector is ever going to be able to guarantee that we have rooted out, root and branch, the entirety of Saddam’s program relative to weapons of mass destruction. You and I both know, and all of us here really know, and it’s a thing we have to face, that the only way, the only way we’re going to get rid of Saddam Hussein is we’re going to end up having to start it alone — start it alone — and it’s going to require guys like you in uniform to be back on foot in the desert taking this son of a — taking Saddam down."

Or again
"The chairman himself broke his agnosticism to say that “one thing is clear, these weapons must be dislodged from Saddam Hussein, or Saddam Hussein must be dislodged from power.”

Like... vote for Biden if you want to but don't pretend he wasn't aggressively in favor of the Iraq War.

in favor while knowing it was waged on false pretenses

I find it egregious that Joe Biden told black Americans they "ain't black," BUT

tbf I think what he means is Corn-Pop black

Tbh Joe Biden already told me not to vote for him but I’m willing to consider it if Nancy Pelosi pledges to start impeachment proceedings against him as soon as he takes office

Skip impeachment, hit him with the heart attack gun they built in case of President Bernie.

milo you've posted your biden hatred hundreds of times on this thread, but barely participated in the trump c/d thread. i'm curious why you'd devote so much more energy to biden

I also haven’t spent much time criticizing the internal politics of Turkmenistan. Clearly I’m a Turkmen agent.

It’s 8:41 here in Moscow, I hope you’re having a nice evening.

deflection

lol

joe biden goe on joe budden

I have kompromat on Joe Biden (his public statements from 1974-2008)

I say this as someone who spends a lot of energy "hating" Trump and wishes he didn't, but....

What's the point? Trump and his ilk are never going to change. He doesn't purport to share your values or speak for you.

It seems logical that energy is better spent taking to task the people who *do* purport to share your values and are misrepresenting them

otherwise you're left with nothing

also I go out of my way to never hear Trump’s voice, he’s a monstrous piece of shit. It’s hard to make fun of someone without seeing or hearing the raw material.

the idea is that only the people who already mostly agree with you can be bludgeoned into completely agreeing with you

the people you really disagree with think you're a worthless piece of shit and aren't paying attention to you so you might as well argue with people who still agree with you on a few things and see if you can alienate them too

better just not to criticize anyone for fear of alienating their fans

i think milo is fine fwiw + is expressing a perspective that has been around on these boards for as long as i've been posting; attacking mainstream democratic politicians from the left and threatening to / actually voting third party is part of ilx's cultural heritage.

Hi! So what's new since 11:35 a.m.?

It’s only 11:17 am here

The vodka ist flowing, comrades

I'm reassured we all hate Joe Biden.

this ain't the Joe Abidin' thread

Biden's attempting to pivot from the primary message of "Fuck you. Go vote for someone else," to the general election message of "If you don't like it vote for Trump, assholes."

milo, your thread is too long

Trump and Biden, in unison, at the first presidential Zoom debate: "What do you have to lose- ...!... JINX! 1-2-3-4-56789tenyouowemeacoke!!!! ahhahaa!"

Maybe it’s good that Biden is comfortable saying un-PC things as it signals he isn’t part of the scolding, educated, coastal liberal class. It is this population voters really hate, and not just white voters.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/large-majorities-dislike-political-correctness/572581/

Being “out of touch” is probably good in a country where everyone, for different reasons, seems to despise the zeitgeist. That’s almost his whole thing, a “return to normalcy.”

I think his nomination is a tragedy for many reasons but I don’t think this kind of thing will sink him.

Dear White People; Gonna need y'all to sit this one out. Black folks who have been black for long enough can identify the difference between an awkward ally and a virulent racist. We good.

— Corey Richardson (@vexedinthecity) May 22, 2020

Gosh, that settles that then.

putting side the "ain't black" words, the problem is he responded to a black man's concerns about his community—the last chunk of the interview was asking him about his involvement w/ mandatory minimum sentencing in the 80s—by saying "if you can't tell the difference btw me and Trump..."

which is patronizing and condecending, and Charlemagne shouldn't have had to say in response to that "it has nothing to do w/ Trump, it's something to do w/ what I want for my community" but hey that's what goes on itt all day long

Biden-Harris 2020 "Take It Or Leave It"

You got to have some f*cking nerve to say that shit with a whole smile on your face like you just hit a clutch shot at the buzzer.#YouAintBlack

— Benjamin Dixon (@BenjaminPDixon) May 22, 2020

tbf Biden's explanation for how mandatory minimum sentencing came about was a good one and I hadn't heard it explained that way b4

Biden-Klobuchar 2020: You Can Dodge Progress But I Bet You Can’t Dodge This Stapler

Maybe it’s good that Biden is comfortable saying un-PC things as it signals he isn’t part of the scolding, educated, coastal liberal class. It is this population voters really hate, and not just white voter

I vote and I like us a lot