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This is my thread that I am starting about boating and sailing and ships and boats in general. I want a boat! I have wanted one since I was 6, and I first spent two weeks sailing down the Thames in a narrowboat called the Maid Fluoretta.

So. Should I

1) Save up and a buy a boat of mine own?

2) Join a sailing club in or near London and take lessons and/or get involved in some community boating thing?

3) Just hire a narrowboat for a weekend and have a party?

I haven't sailed in 10 years, and I am very out of practise. Are there any other nautical-minded ILX0rs who can offer advice?

― Masonic Boom (kate), Friday, 29 July 2005 07:41 (twenty years ago)

(I put this in the category of "sport" which is a first for me!)

― Masonic Boom (kate), Friday, 29 July 2005 07:41 (twenty years ago)

I would say you should do all 3! A party on a narrowboat sounds like fun too!

― PinXorchiXoR (Pinkpanther), Friday, 29 July 2005 07:44 (twenty years ago)

1. You can buy a boat relatively cheaply but it costs a ridiculous amount to run
2. Why not?
3. Duh

― beanz (beanz), Friday, 29 July 2005 07:47 (twenty years ago)

i reckon you should start with (2). help you decide what sort of boat you want and give you contacts to help you find it.

― gem (trisk), Friday, 29 July 2005 07:47 (twenty years ago)

http://www.leevalleyboats.co.uk/

Three days in September would run about £500 for a 4-person boat! I could swing that. For a bigger boat and a bigger party, I would have to charge people to attend.

― Masonic Boom (kate), Friday, 29 July 2005 07:50 (twenty years ago)

...so I'm thinking starting with option 3 would be fun in the short term, with a more medium term goal of 2. To decide if I really want to take the plunge (literally) to 1.

(Yeah, sure, all my friends may be Bike Geeks, but I'm going to be a Boat Bore!!!)

― Masonic Boom (kate), Friday, 29 July 2005 07:52 (twenty years ago)

Combine the two Kate, that sounds perfect!

― PinXorchiXoR (Pinkpanther), Friday, 29 July 2005 07:55 (twenty years ago)

Look how CUTE their little kitchens are:

http://www.leevalleyboats.co.uk/images/int1.jpg

― Masonic Boom (kate), Friday, 29 July 2005 07:56 (twenty years ago)

Which one shall I have? I think I like the Charlotte:

http://www.leevalleyboats.co.uk/boatslee.htm

― Masonic Boom (kate), Friday, 29 July 2005 07:59 (twenty years ago)

I like looking at boats, but am a bit scared when actually on them. And my only experience of sailing ended with the boat upside down (or whatever the correct nautical term is) and me very cold and wet.

I could probably handle a nice barge. And I liked that tiny ferry across the harbour at Chichester!

― Archel (Archel), Friday, 29 July 2005 08:00 (twenty years ago)

Isn't it capsized?!

The last boat I went on was a Chinese junk boat. Being in the middle of the Indian Ocean is not the best time to find out you get sea sick! :-(

― PinXorchiXoR (Pinkpanther), Friday, 29 July 2005 08:02 (twenty years ago)

Oh no, Pink! And oh no Archel!

Capsizing and mal de mer not good, oh no.

I am lucky in that I do not get seasick. Also, on a canalised river such as the River Lee or Lea seasickness is rather unlikely.

― Masonic Boom (kate), Friday, 29 July 2005 08:04 (twenty years ago)

Just promise not to turn into one of those noisy sailing toffs in deck shoes without socks like we saw in Itchenor, kate!

― Archel (Archel), Friday, 29 July 2005 08:05 (twenty years ago)

I suspect that's exactly what I'd turn into - especially as my brother did for a while until he moved Upstate. However, I would let you drink at my club and sit on our benches!

― Masonic Boom (kate), Friday, 29 July 2005 08:06 (twenty years ago)

Oh. My. God.

I could combine two passions at once, and sail the Inverness and Caledonian Canal

(Except there don't seem to be any listings for 2005 events. And I must say that a tartan narrowboat is a bit... eyeshattering.)

― Masonic Boom (kate), Friday, 29 July 2005 08:11 (twenty years ago)

http://www.elsiefromengland.com/vacations/britain-and-ireland/narrowboat-cruises/images/scottish-highlander-two.jpg

Ow, mine eyes.

Also, it's a bit unbelievably expensive and clearly for the American market as all the prices are in (extortionate) dollars.

― Masonic Boom (kate), Friday, 29 July 2005 08:13 (twenty years ago)

Haha that's the ugliest thing I've ever seen! Sweet curtains though.

― Archel (Archel), Friday, 29 July 2005 08:15 (twenty years ago)

i think (2) is obviously the sensible option here if you're really serious about this.

― Ste (Fuzzy), Friday, 29 July 2005 08:16 (twenty years ago)

I haven't sailed in ages, I must say the lure of the sea is stronger than the lure of the canal. i must investigate sailing again. I've tried to persuade T. to take me but she's been tied up training for a big race. Perhaps i could look into going on a refresher course this autumn.

― Ed (dali), Friday, 29 July 2005 08:17 (twenty years ago)

Well, I would like to sail on the sea as well. It's a bit harder work than on a canal, but I need the exercise. :-|

But if I'm going to have a party on a boat, I want it to be a narrowboat, just because I love them. There's no reason I can't do both.

― Masonic Boom (kate), Friday, 29 July 2005 08:18 (twenty years ago)

I'm up for narrowboats as well.

― Ed (dali), Friday, 29 July 2005 08:19 (twenty years ago)

(I also wonder how the Tall Ships Sea Race is going.)

― Masonic Boom (kate), Friday, 29 July 2005 08:20 (twenty years ago)

gosh it's been ages since i sailed as well. my parents own a big old sailboat! talk about pouring money into a hole in the sea...
if i lived closer, i'd join a sailing club with you kate!

― dahlin (dahlin), Friday, 29 July 2005 08:23 (twenty years ago)

(It would be really pathetic to want to combine sailing lessons with historical reenactments, wouldn't it?)

Replica Warship Appears And Then Fires Its Guns:

http://www.visitnewcastlegateshead.com/tallships2005/content/images/5b03ea8cbe84898f162dbe0b73bd104e.mid.jpg

http://www.visitnewcastlegateshead.com/tallships2005/content/images/78bcde1e032df009e6f7bb877cc60db3.mid.jpg

― Masonic Boom (kate), Friday, 29 July 2005 08:26 (twenty years ago)

kate are you gonna speak in a "cranky old sea salt" voice whenever you're on your boat? i hope so!

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 29 July 2005 08:29 (twenty years ago)

Emsk and I seem to do that just down the pub, so I can't imagine we'd stop onboard. Arrrrr. ;-) (Do narrowboats even *have* keels? So can we still threaten to keelhaul landlubbers?)

― Masonic Boom (kate), Friday, 29 July 2005 08:30 (twenty years ago)

BOAT BOAT BOAT!! i have been daydreaming about lazy canal boat holiday for the last fortnight with all sorts of improbable adventures happening. let's get a BOAT! kate ppl will be happy to pay for a BOAT PARTY surely?

― emsk ( emsk), Friday, 29 July 2005 09:23 (twenty years ago)

Well, we have to figure out how many people are actually going to be *sleeping* on the boat. Because we can probably get a 4 person boat and have a party on it on the Saturday night or something, so long as only 4 people sleep there.

Unless more people want to sleep on the boat, in which case we will have to get one of the really big ones. I just worry about steering the things when they're that long!

― Masonic Boom (kate), Friday, 29 July 2005 09:27 (twenty years ago)

I tried looking up actual sailing lessons, but unfortunately, even though the school seems to be based in Greenwich, it sails in the Solent. Which is a bit far for me!

― Masonic Boom (kate), Friday, 29 July 2005 09:29 (twenty years ago)

will this actually be going to the sea? or like rivers or something. i want to sail to the sea.

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 29 July 2005 10:11 (twenty years ago)

speaking of going down to the sea, what is the deal with the weird tiny sand beach underneath waterloo that seems to host afternoon raves?

― lauren (laurenp), Friday, 29 July 2005 10:17 (twenty years ago)

Beneath Waterloo? It's closer to the County Hall, isn't it? The Spy and I were walking along the South Bank there one night, and came upon a rave just nearing completion. Very strange.

Anyway, I want to learn to sail in a river or a bay, before I go on the High Seas. Or the English Channel, rather.

― Masonic Boom (kate), Friday, 29 July 2005 10:25 (twenty years ago)

I don't see what's so High about the Seas.

(but sailing does sound like a nice idea. As long as the weather stays good)

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Friday, 29 July 2005 10:34 (twenty years ago)

As far as I can tell, "High Seas" means open water not belonging to or claimed as juristiction of the nearest country. Errr... there's another legal word for it ("international waters"?) these days, but High Seas, just sound better.

― Masonic Boom (kate), Friday, 29 July 2005 10:38 (twenty years ago)

It does.

"Seven Seas" just makes me think of the very smelly cod liver oil factory in Hull.

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Friday, 29 July 2005 10:39 (twenty years ago)

It makes me think of Echo and the Bunnymen.

(And did we ever figure out what all 7 seas were?)

North Sea, Baltic Sea, Caspian Sea, Black Sea, Mediterranean Sea, Agean Sea... what am I forgetting?

― Masonic Boom (kate), Friday, 29 July 2005 10:41 (twenty years ago)

Many experts and encyclopedias will list the modern Seven Seas as the:
Arctic
Antarctic
North and South Atlantic
North and the South Pacific
and the Indian Ocean
During the Age of Discovery (1450-1650), some list the Seven Seas as the then seven navigable seas of the world:
Atlantic
Arctic
Indian
and Pacific Oceans
and the
Mediterranean Sea,
the Caribbean Sea,
and the Gulf of Mexico
While others disagree and report the ancient Seven Seas to be the:

Mediterranean Sea
Red Sea
Black Sea
Adriatic Sea
Caspian Sea
and the
Persian Gulf
and the Indian Ocean

― Masonic Boom (kate), Friday, 29 July 2005 10:43 (twenty years ago)

I thought the "seven seas" were actually the oceans: North Atlantic, South Atlantic, North Pacific, South Pacific, Indian, Arctic, Great Southern.

(xpost)

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Friday, 29 July 2005 10:49 (twenty years ago)

(is the Antarctic Ocean really also called the Great Southern Ocean, or an I mixing it up with that Irish railway company?)

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Friday, 29 July 2005 10:50 (twenty years ago)

In The Travels Of Captain Anderson there is some debate about whether Antartica is a continent or an ocean.

Which is quite amusing, considering that they nearly manage to run aground on it. (Sorry if that's a spoiler.)

― Masonic Boom (kate), Friday, 29 July 2005 10:56 (twenty years ago)

I haven't managed to find a copy yet. Then again, I haven't been in any bookshops lately.

(I have been trying to save money by avoiding bookshops and recordshops - because the last time I was in London I spent £100 in one trip to the Picadilly Circus branch of Virgin. However, I have since started buying photographic kit on Ebay - oops)

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Friday, 29 July 2005 10:59 (twenty years ago)

I'm going on holiday next week and hope to spend LOADS OF TIME on boats. Yay.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 29 July 2005 11:15 (twenty years ago)

Where are you going on holiday that there will be so many boats?

― Masonic Boom (kate), Friday, 29 July 2005 11:19 (twenty years ago)

I used to crew on 28 footers yachts in the Irish sea and in small races on the Mersey it was great fun.

― Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Friday, 29 July 2005 11:26 (twenty years ago)

I'll come on your boat - I think this is U&K. Kate's Big Boat Party will go down in history!

The river flows
It flows to the sea
Wherever that river goes
That's where I want to be
Flow river flow
Let your waters wash down
Take me from this road
To some other town

― Come Back Johnny B (Johnney B), Friday, 29 July 2005 11:37 (twenty years ago)

Thinking about that song lyric, that's what it's all about, isn't it? Boating = going somewhere else.

― Come Back Johnny B (Johnney B), Friday, 29 July 2005 11:47 (twenty years ago)

Yes. I think that boating/sailing for the British is the same appeal as the whole "lure of the open road" thing for Americans.

― Masonic Boom (kate), Friday, 29 July 2005 11:48 (twenty years ago)

Very true. Have you read 'Three Men in a Boat'?

― Archel (Archel), Friday, 29 July 2005 11:59 (twenty years ago)

(if you haven't, you should)

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Friday, 29 July 2005 12:34 (twenty years ago)

i want to read that book. it sounds funny.

there was once a cafe that had a poster outside had 3 blokes sharing a banana boat, with a hotdog in the background.

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 29 July 2005 13:16 (twenty years ago)

4 people can sleep on the boat and we can tie up near a campsite innit and the others can camp. there will be a big fite though about who gets to sleep on the boat! perhaps we will have do to it in shifts.

― emsk ( emsk), Friday, 29 July 2005 13:51 (twenty years ago)

It's my boat, I'm sleeping on it. End of story. Especially if I'm paying for it! Then I will be the Captain, too. Which means when we're on the water, I can do anything I like to anyone, short of get them in The Family Way. Captain Anderson, eat your heart out.

― Masonic Boom (kate), Friday, 29 July 2005 13:52 (twenty years ago)

I'm not sure that walking the plank works on a narrowboat...

― Archel (Archel), Friday, 29 July 2005 13:53 (twenty years ago)

I want more pics. I love boats. *sigh*

― nathalie's body's designed for two (stevie nixed), Friday, 29 July 2005 13:54 (twenty years ago)

Aren't most narrow canals only about four or five feet deep?

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Friday, 29 July 2005 13:54 (twenty years ago)

There's always the Tall Ships Races:

http://www.travelwithachallenge.com/Images/Travel_Article_Library/Sail-Training/Tall-Ships-Races.jpg

Too bad I'm not a senior, or I'd be on this

It's so not fair! There's tall ships sailing for disabled people, for seniors, but nothing for bored computer programmers who read too many naval novels.

― Masonic Boom (kate), Friday, 29 July 2005 13:56 (twenty years ago)

If it's photos you want, here's a lovely one:

http://www.travelwithachallenge.com/Images/Travel_Article_Library/Sail-Training/Sailing-Ships-Night.jpg

(Or did you want narrowboat photos?)

― Masonic Boom (kate), Friday, 29 July 2005 13:58 (twenty years ago)

Any boat's good. I love boats. I want to live on a boat and sail away never coming back. *sigh*

― nathalie's body's designed for two (stevie nixed), Friday, 29 July 2005 14:00 (twenty years ago)

Kate, sail your narrowboat up the liverpool leeds canal so Ormskirk ILX can join in!

― Matt (Matt), Friday, 29 July 2005 14:00 (twenty years ago)

Another narrowboat - for kids only. Do you think I could hire one and get all the ILX0rs to pose as my youth group? Or could we borrow some of Ed's youths?

http://www.tideways.org.uk/narrowboat/images/theo1.jpg

― Masonic Boom (kate), Friday, 29 July 2005 14:00 (twenty years ago)

Nath, that's a lovely fantasy!

Matt, don't tempt me.

And also, I misunderstood that site there! You can get *certification* as a narrowboat DRIVER so you can drive kids around! I want to do that!

― Masonic Boom (kate), Friday, 29 July 2005 14:01 (twenty years ago)

Lauren, you may be looking at a Reclaim the Beach party. I have friends who have been to them, apparently they're a lot of fun.

― Anna (Anna), Friday, 29 July 2005 14:02 (twenty years ago)

sail your narrowboat up the liverpool leeds canal so Ormskirk ILX can join in!

Noooo, drive it up the Sheffield And South Yorkshire Navigation - that's the nearest decent canal to me!

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Friday, 29 July 2005 14:04 (twenty years ago)

Maybe once I've been at this job a few years, and saved a few bob, I should forget about buying a house, and just buy a canal boat and spend the rest of my days just puttering from canal to canal.

If I could get a decent wireless connection, I could set it up on my boat and do consulting from the privacy (I nearly typoed piracy) or mine own cabin!

― Masonic Boom (kate), Friday, 29 July 2005 14:26 (twenty years ago)

Yarr.

In cambridge you can get teh houseboats pretty easily.

― tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Friday, 29 July 2005 14:27 (twenty years ago)

Using Soulseek on a boat, piracy on the information superhighseas.

― Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Friday, 29 July 2005 14:29 (twenty years ago)

hey, you know if i live on international waters, does that mean i don't have to pay tax?

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 29 July 2005 14:30 (twenty years ago)

or will i be paying tax to every national in the world?

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 29 July 2005 14:30 (twenty years ago)

get one to Sealand

http://www.sealandgov.com/

― Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Friday, 29 July 2005 14:31 (twenty years ago)

Oh, you should also sail up the oldest canal in the country: the Foss Dyke.

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Friday, 29 July 2005 14:31 (twenty years ago)

Blimey! Apparently this is the ship from Hornblower:

http://www.oakweb.freeserve.co.uk/ships/turkstern.jpg

And the captain's cabin:

http://www.oakweb.freeserve.co.uk/ships/turkcapt.jpg

Captain Anderson could have grown an entire forest in there quite easily!

― Masonic Boom (kate), Friday, 29 July 2005 14:32 (twenty years ago)

i prefer Sailor Moon

― g-kit (g-kit), Friday, 29 July 2005 14:40 (twenty years ago)

It's true, High Seas and Seven Seas sound great.

Kenneth, you should pay me some money, that would be enough.

I one wrote a poem that started with some kind of reference to Pound's borrowed line about going to the sea in ships. It is queer to see it rear its figurehead again here.

― the pinefox, Saturday, 30 July 2005 09:22 (twenty years ago)

2) Join a sailing club in or near London and take lessons and/or get involved in some community boating thing?
Yes. Buying a boat isn't expensive, it's storing it, docking it, paying for maintence and repairs that's expensive.

Seattle has the Mt Baker boathouse, does London have something similiar?

Also, do you guys have Sunfish and Laser sailboats over there? You must! I love those boats- more especially Sunfishes because of the lanteen sails. Or because they're the first boats I was ever on, my dad started taking me out on them when I was a weeks old, and they're stuck in my unconscious. :-P

― lyra (lyra), Saturday, 30 July 2005 14:58 (twenty years ago)

Ah, Sealand, a country so fair and egalitarian that everything is welcome on their servers.

Everything.

― Matt (Matt), Saturday, 30 July 2005 23:30 (twenty years ago)

Legbreaking bastards, British Pee Shower were supposed to play a gig in Sealand, weren't they?

Anyway, yes, I've seen little boats like Sunfish and Lasers in the Thames when we were walking in Oxford, so surely there has got to be somewhere to get at them. I mean, now the working London docks have been moved so far downstream to Essex, there should be more pleasure sailing in the Pool of London, one would think.

We should probably be making plans for our canalboat excursion. Second or third weekend of September? Ed? Emma? Midshipman Barlow?

― Masonic Boom (kate), Monday, 1 August 2005 06:39 (twenty years ago)

Don't they still have barges of crap going up and down the Pool? Not to mention all the riverbuses, of course.

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 1 August 2005 06:42 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, well they have bleeding OIL TANKERS going back and forth in New York Harbour and people still go pleasure sailing around them. Gingerly.

― Masonic Boom (kate), Monday, 1 August 2005 06:43 (twenty years ago)

two months pass...

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― adname, Sunday, 2 October 2005 02:49 (twenty years ago)

ahh yes
good ol' "wanking dmx"

― kurt broder (dr g), Sunday, 2 October 2005 02:52 (twenty years ago)

Huh? Is that spam? I'm confused.

― Paranoid Spice (kate), Monday, 3 October 2005 07:41 (twenty years ago)

It's spam, in Chinese. Which, when rendered with a Roman font, looks like meaningless noise.

(which it probably is in Chinese, to be honest, being spam)

(Well, it's a non-Roman language, but I'm guessing it's Chinese from the URL)

(incidentally, have the mods noticed that the URL is still linked, presumably by the auto-linker in the parser)

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 3 October 2005 08:08 (twenty years ago)

The reason I originally clicked on this thread, though, was to tell you that I saw someone building a very nice-looking boat on Saturday. Sadly, I don't think it would float very well, as it was designed to run on rails, using either wind or gravity power.

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 3 October 2005 08:13 (twenty years ago)

A boat on rails? That's not a boat! It's a train!

Railboat, indeed. I laugh with the same degree of uncontrolled hillarity that Captain Anderson laughed at the idea of steam-powered battleships.

― Paranoid Spice (kate), Monday, 3 October 2005 08:15 (twenty years ago)

Did we do our "ILX on a Boat" thing in the end? I don't think we did. It's too late in the year for it now, worse luck.

― Come Back Johnny B (Johnney B), Monday, 3 October 2005 08:15 (twenty years ago)

I have searched the net for pictures of this particular boat on rails, but unsurprisingly - as it's still being built - there aren't any.

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 3 October 2005 08:20 (twenty years ago)

D@r@ wants to do it when she comes in November, but I can't imagine it will be very pleasant. Then again, you never can tell with English weather.

x-post

― Paranoid Spice (kate), Monday, 3 October 2005 08:20 (twenty years ago)

Also, how do you do screengrabs on a Mac? There are several lovely scenes of the Pandora (Captain Anderson's boat got a name in the film, though he never got one) and the Alcione and the making of which I'd love to post here.

― Paranoid Spice (kate), Monday, 3 October 2005 08:23 (twenty years ago)

Apple+Shift+3

― Ed (dali), Monday, 3 October 2005 08:26 (twenty years ago)

Ooh! Ooh! Thanks, Ed! (You know you are in for it now. Heh.)

― Paranoid Spice (kate), Monday, 3 October 2005 08:28 (twenty years ago)

This is not the boat I saw being built. It is, however, the picture its builders were using as a model.

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 3 October 2005 10:52 (twenty years ago)

That is not a boat. It is a sailtrain. I think Captain Anderson would approve. (He likes sail, block and tackle, and nothing of steam about him.)

― Paranoid Spice (kate), Monday, 3 October 2005 10:55 (twenty years ago)

He'd like the place I spent the weekends at, then - a railway that is famous for, for many years, not bothering to use engines when it could just let trains roll downhill under their own weight.

(that's famous among train-geeks, obviously)

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 3 October 2005 10:58 (twenty years ago)

(and, incidentally, the sail isn't part of the original picture, but they're tacking one on to the new Boat just to see if it works)

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 3 October 2005 10:59 (twenty years ago)

three weeks pass...

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― ×¢²á¹«Ë¾, Wednesday, 26 October 2005 22:09 (twenty years ago)

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― f_z_ff_ (FE7), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 22:12 (twenty years ago)

"Blogbus"?

― kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 22:27 (twenty years ago)

This is the boat I was talking about upthread:

http://www.festrail.co.uk/images/VW05/TheBoat.jpg

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 27 October 2005 04:58 (twenty years ago)

thirteen years pass...

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/27/world/europe/france-barrel-atlantic-jean-jacques-savin.html

Drifting in the ocean in a sailboat at the mercy of winds and currents would be a nightmare for many. But a 71-year-old Frenchman with a taste for adventure has found a new way to conquer the Atlantic Ocean: in a barrel.
The adventurer, Jean-Jacques Savin, set sail on Wednesday from El Hierro, the smallest of the Canary Islands, the Spanish archipelago west of Morocco. He will attempt to reach the Caribbean with only ocean currents and trade winds propelling his capsule, according to a Facebook page set up to document his project, where he plans to post daily updates including GPS coordinates tracking the journey.

― j., Friday, 28 December 2018 02:46 (seven years ago)

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