POX: Moments from "Heat" (Michael Mann)

De Niro is from the Bay Area. YEAH RIGHT!

Val Kilmer's swelled elbow aka "swellbow."

"Like risk versus reward, baby!"

"Run the name 'Slick." You'll get the phone book but do it anyway."

"It keeps me sharp. [snap] On the edge. [snap] Where I gotta be."

Pacino likes to just hang up the phone without saying goodbye.

Tom Noonan as the wackjob info-guru.

Bud Cort as the mean diner manager.

"This shit sells itself."

I feeeeel the heat!

DON'T WASTE MY MOTHERFUCKIN' TIME

"dead-tech, postmodernistic bullshit house"

-- N_RQ, Monday, August 1, 2005 7:41 AM (2 years ago) Bookmark Link

When Ashley Judd slowly draws her hand across the railing, indicating to Val that it's a setup.

Next time you watch, notice how fast DeNiro is able to get a pot of coffee brewed in the scene where he visits Kilmer on the morning after Ashley splits.

tryna watch this shit on cable. muting it and playing records during all the boring parts. you know, it may be 3 1/2 hours but if you cut out all the crappy talking to women about our feelings seqs and just watched the awesome parts it would be a 20 minute movie.

I don't mind this film, to be honest - the end scene at the airport is great, as is the de Niro/Pacino coffee date standoff/discussion. Been a while since I've seen it though. Also lol at Rollins being beaten up.

Can anyone remember how Pacino disposed of Sizemore in this? I know Tom was holding a kid hostage, but i just watched Miami Vice and I thought I saw a similar scene where the Aryan skinhead was holding a detonator and the cop took him down with a 'now you talk' distraction method - which i thought might have been similar to something i saw recently.

Is it a Mann thing

Sizemore leaves and picks up a child as hostage. Pacino is like 25 meters out and when Sizemore turns around, facing Pacino, he gets a bullet in the head. Everytime I watch that scene I feel like yelling at Pacino for is surely unnecessary risk-taking. I mean, what if you shot a few centimeters lower and to the right, straight into the kid's face?

hmm, so it's not the movie i'm thinking of. cheers

anyone know of another movie where someone shoots someone in a stand off, by distracting them into thinking 'okay lets listen to watch you gotta say' but then BLAM.

That rings a bell yeah. But I cant seem to remember where other than in Miami Vice I saw that.

I've seen it like in the past couple of weeks. I'll try and recall the films I've watched..

any of these?

Casino Royale
Die Hard 4
French Connection
IRobot
Enemy of the State

Maybe Die Hard 4. But I've kind of forgotten all about that film.

haha me too, the only thing i can remember is when some car plows through a factory while a woman is typing at a terminal

That and the car jumping off the divider into a helicopter.

who? who? what're you a fuckin' owl or something?

Great film.

Great film yeah, except I keep falling asleep while watching it. Everytime a friend comes over and it's late and I've had far too many beers, he chooses to watch Heat. I must have seen the movie about 6 or 7 times but only twice in full.

http://i.imgur.com/dXfyjqI.jpg

“I don’t know if this has gotten out much. I might be breaking the law now, but I’ll say it. The character I played is a guy who’s been around, he’s done a lot of stuff, and he also chips cocaine. And I always thought that was a choice we made, but yet not showing it because it would be somewhat…”

http://www.slashfilm.com/al-pacinos-heat-character/

found this from an MTV interview in 2007:

"I was in a movie once, which will go nameless, and I did a certain thing in this movie: I based my entire character on a scene of me snorting cocaine," he continued. "And no, this isn't 'Scarface.' There was just one little scene of me chipping cocaine, so that's what I did. Well, they cut that scene out of the picture. They had their reasons for it, legitimate reasons I'm sure. But what happened is I based my character on the fact that he chipped cocaine, so my interpretation — my reactions to things — were colored by that. It's like, 'What's that guy so nervous about?' It would be the same as watching 'The Godfather' and never knowing about the gun in the toilet. I assume everybody knows that scene."

wow huh

Chips is such a specific drug use word

man I hope they give that restoration a cinema release

Hoo ha indeed

they could just dub in some loud sniffs whenever they cut to another person in a conversation scene and pacino is offscreen. or after the line "...GREAT ASS!," just have pacino loop an additional line, "is sound like this because i'm SNORTING COCAINE, see?" when they cut to his partner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSNgMSvaHZ8

elite unit of cops led by an unorthodox dude chasing after (and making it known to them that he's chasing them) a gang of professional thieves who rip off an armored truck and then risk it all on a huge score. the credits even mention a character named "Bosco."

i didn't even notice there appears to be a post-heist street shootout of some sort. wondering if Bosco gets shot in the neck and dies in the street in this one too.

fun fact: this movie sucks and is bad

Gerard Butler appears to be letting his badge and his toothpick do the heavy lifting when it comes to acting here.

is that movie as HEAT-like as the trailer makes out? because it looks like a remake.

fun fact: this movie sucks and is bad

think you're overselling it

it was fucking agony in the cinema, would've walked if i hadn't been with other people

in the new version, the line is "her ass SUCKS and is BAD"

the love the subtext of the cops being as bad if not worse than the bad guys is revealed by Gerard Butler holding up his badge and saying 'you're not the bad guys, we are'

So many good Pacino unnecessarily loud non sequiters in this

fun fact: this movie sucks and is bad

― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 4 January 2018 17:29 (six months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"dead-tech, postmodernistic bullshit house"
― N_RQ, Monday, August 1, 2005 2:41 AM (twelve years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

even as a teenager this line stuck out like a sore thumb and made me lol

"The information's out there - you just gotta know how to catch it" or w/e

"This Dead-Tech, Postmodernistic Bullshit House: Noir as Form and Function in Heat"

So many good thesis titles in this movie.

pic.twitter.com/yJGV6A5mXd https://t.co/j1PcI3VBTW

— robert franco, wandering ronin (@responsiblerob) December 22, 2021

What’s the Fieri connection to den of thieves?

There's a great French movie called Braqueurs (Netflix changed it to the ultra-generic The Crew) that's like Heat condensed to 80 minutes. It's directed by Julien Leclercq; worth finding if you can. Here's an unsubtitled trailer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jBC7XBVhH8

there’s a series called ganglands, same director

fun fact: this movie sucks and is bad
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this is the best gay movie of
all
time

I mainly remember the use of Neubauten's Armenia as a theme for one character. Is it Val Kilmer's wife. a snippet crops up each time they appear.
wondered if it had anything to di withh Rollins being in the film. He has a large EN symbol on his arm

I think it reappears a couple of times in the Informant too

I have very little memory of the movie (except Ashley Judd's heartbreakingly poignant warning move). My main association is now the Moby cover of "New Dawn Fades"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynA1dO9Kx8s

That's the version that's on the 24 Hour Party People soundtrack; there's a different version in the film, which is okay but a bit more plodding and lacks the requisite urgency

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fN5hSvu1dzw

Podcast that does a Minute by minute analysis of the movie
https://open.spotify.com/show/39GMGljDTd8maGzNhK4enI?si=TlQ4F90LTzOE2B6NHAZi_g

https://i.imgur.com/lzmRj7N.png

This must have been one of my first 15 or 20 mp3s in the early days of Napster:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHc-3tNoAB8

just discovered the joy of watching movies through Snapchat filters pic.twitter.com/80b7kuoSah

— Russell (@RussellHFilm) May 26, 2022

So here's a thing

https://fxrant.blogspot.com/2023/01/heat-alternate-edit-of-coffee-shop-scene.html

Fellow "Heat" (1995) fans - I just found an amazing Easter Egg on the Blu-ray. It's an early edit of the infamous Pacino/De Niro coffee shop scene, created early in the film's production when director Michael Mann wanted the scene to be shorter and have a lot less dialogue. It's much moodier and more threatening than the final version, if you ask me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JllQtCEkhpA

lol I thought that was silly, almost like a fan-edit gag. What I appreciate in the original/film is the familiar Mann motif of men so wed to their professions that it encompasses their life at the cost of everything around them. The characters are fully aware of the price they are paying but are compelled, even doomed to their respective pursuits all the same. I didn't find either cut particularly menacing or threatening. If anything I love how mundane it is, underscored by Hanna's line "We're sitting here like a coupla regular fellas," even though both understand they are anything but.

JOSH

hahaha omg

Oh, wait, is it a fan-edit gag?

It's still hilarious/fascinating to see the true first draft of this scene, part of the first version of Heat: Mann's TV-movie L.A. Takedown.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ye6tmftzMoI

That edit has me on the floor! Lol

Watched this last night, I hadn't seen it since it first came out and my wife had never seen it. When it was over, she said, "If I had known this was the greatest movie ever made, I would have watched it a long time ago." She's now trying to figure out how to see it on a big screen, up to possibly renting out our local indie theater just for that purpose.

Your wife OTM

I saw this on the big screen a year or two ago and was reminded that the bank robbery shootout is LOUD

I’d forgotten so much of it, all the intricate side stories, how generous it is with screen time for even minor characters like poor Dennis Haysbert. An epic! *Pacino voice* SHAKESPEAREAN!

Overlooked / under-used “Pacino on coke” perspective

the way Dennis Haysbert says "the hell are you proud of me for?" kills me every time.

such a well-acted scene

We watched this tonight. My wife’s concluding comments were “well that was long”. Smh

Also that was Henry Rollins???!?! Man was made to be a goon!

Poor Ralph

A guest host on a movie review podcast just described Heat as “hot men being sad”

I didn’t think Ralph was that hot

But he was sad

how generous it is with screen time for even minor characters like poor Dennis Haysbert

a perfect scene

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QhttjrOg5A

Goddamn that scene!!!

I'd have to revisit Thief again, but otherwise Heat is probably the one Michael Mann film I'd watch and enjoy again. It's the quintessential Mann film, for better and worse. It's great how even a minor character like Haysbert can feel so tragic, but the film's also marred by things like "I've got three dead bodies on a sidewalk off Venice boulevard, Justine, I'm sorry if the goddamn chicken got overcooked."

“You ex/husband’s post modern dead tech bullshit house”

"marred"

Maybe I've missed it, but I'm surprised there hasn't been a scene in a Michael Mann film where two guys sit down and simply go "WOMEN. Am I right??"

His name is Michael Mann for <a reason>

Maybe in “Ferrari”

lol I forgot Henry Rollins and Tone Lōc were in it

https://bsky.app/profile/jimmycthatsme.bsky.social/post/3lhnjxn4ao22c

That's some next level "Airplane!" shit.

"SHUT UP, RALPH! SIT DOWN!"

the film's also marred by things like "I've got three dead bodies on a sidewalk off Venice boulevard, Justine, I'm sorry if the goddamn chicken got overcooked."

I watched Heat last week for the first time in a while and (had never thought of doing this before) just skipped the domestic scenes up until the two parallel dinners with the cops and the thieves. Gave it some good momentum, skipped the weakest scenes.

These days every time I see an armored truck driving down the street I imagine a semi hitting it at speed at the next intersection

"You could get killed walkinyourDOGGY!"

― Leeeeeee (Leee), Friday, July 29, 2005 9:55 PM bookmarkflaglink

somehow the Pacino delivery that sticks with me the most

https://i.imgur.com/qk6PShM.png

finished reading the book. if Michael Mann can pull off the film version, it'll be pretty wild. i appreciate him shoehorning his interests in international crime as seen in Blackhat and Miami Vice into this new story. I can imagine some areas where he'd edit certain aspects out, but I hope he just goes completely for broke because it feels like something that should run 200 minutes. if Scorsese can do it, let Mann off the leash!

Heat 2 felt like he used all of his file cabinets of research from past crime films. The US/Mexico border section is the part that stays with me the most four years after reading it.

What was kind of surprising to me was how it seemingly set up a possible Heat 3.