the Tories - classic or dud

Robinson

Robinson

(The Tories - vermin, or lower than vermin?)

I'll never forgive the bastards for a list of crimes longer than I care to jot down now.

I had hoped that at the last General Election the Lib Dems would finally have beaten the Tories into 3rd place and started them on their slide into well-earned obscurity.

Dud, most definitely.

Slightly less deceitful...I suppose you could say that, they're unapologetic about being bigoted scum after all.

what a fantastic psychological insight.

And your point is? Most parties have touchstone 'feelings' which can't even be put into policy, less still coherently argued into ideological standpoints. Labour's is an instinctive antipathy to 'the establishment'. The Tories is an instinctive antipathy of the different. I think the LDs struggle because they find it harder to motivate a tribal unifier in the same way.

hay guyz have you ever noticed that politics is like, such bullshit?
-- traejr2 (traejr...), August 10th, 2005.

OTM, but the kneejerk 'all Tories are racist' thing still bugs me a lot.

Maybe not, but I've yet to meet one who isn't.

Tories antipathy to the different = they are the different.

xp -- [libel]

-- N_RQ (bl0cke...), August 10th, 2005

Well, of course they do, but not to the extent the Tories do.

As for the Tory = Racist homophobe meme. I've seen so little evidence to disprove it (ie. none) that I don't even bother questioning it any more. And whilst I do realise this is inductive reasoning and therefore inherently flawed, I think I'll be going with it anyway.

My sense of disappointment and betrayal by New Labour does not outweigh my consuming hatred for the Tories.

As for the reeling off of lots of areas where Labour _are_ the establishment. I wasn't talking about the objective content of the idea that labour were the anti-establishment party. It's a fantasy the party sells itself to maintain coherence, and clings to all the more as the fantasy becomes more apparent (ie, as it straws further from the objective reality of increasing subsuming within the establishment).

On the ground, the sentiment has great sway - much like the Tories in Parliament are often urbane and cosmopolitan in contrast to their members and supporters.

as for tories -- i honestly think economics, the economics of the small business, is more important to the r&f than immigration or what have you. a lot of tory rhetoric (which, of course, has some truth content) is against waste of public resources, and this comes from a small business mentality.

The Tory party, though, oscillates between laughable and odious. Their election campaign made me very angry, the absolute worst kind of focus-group policies. They seem to have decided that pandering to fear, bigotry and stupidity is their best card.

So who do Tories actively enjoy as a Tory politican these days? Most of yr Conservative Home/Iain Dale crowd see Johnson as a useful idiot, Davis as a loose cannon, Cameron as Blair Mk2, and have a loathing of 90s Tories (Clarke, Portillo, etc) that pretty much outstrips any venom the left has for them. Are we basically seeing a socialists-in-96 "Eh, we'll marry him then he'll settle down" approach to New Labour, except on the other side? Or do they just think every Tory should be William Hague? I don't get it.

i think they like hague. could anyone like george osborne or michael gove? it's hard to believe.

I get the feeling that Hague is easily the most popular Tory amongst Tory faithful: he's Northern, he's got that whole "posh-yet-earthy" schtick about him, he's pretty zingy. It'd be nice for Labour to have an equivalent, tbh. Oh wait, we've got Bob Marshall-Andrews. That's alright then

could anyone like george osborne
http://www.francesosborne.com/images/francesosbornePHOTOSMALL.jpg?

Odd picture to choose to illustrate your family on your homepage?
http://www.michaelgove.com/images/govefamily3.jpg

I'd hit it (xpost!)

Michael Gove was up at LMH the same time as me but I don't especially recall him.

Tory mate of mine is a big fan of Davis now. He hates Boris though and thinks he's going to be an embarrassment.

Iain Dale doesn't really like anyone, he's a right curmudgeonly ol' sod, although occasionally amusing with it. Reading various tory blogs it's clear they hope Cameron to revert to his old Thatcherite self once in power but things like Boris sacking someone for a bit of casual racism make them doubt. Eric Pickles seems quite popular, so yeah, Yorkshiremen. I don't really know any young tories, but presume they like Cameron if only because he will give them power and he likes the same music as them.

David Icke v David Davis? We can but hope...
http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/14054/82/

everyone is foreign to someone

DUD. They are waaaaay too white. If Leo Sayer was a Tory I'd be much more appreciative and also the thing is the level of smug superiority they exhibit is really shameful, like not even Whitney Houston is that much of an egoist. They are constantly,consistently arrogant and meaningless. They offer some seriously empty platitudes and this rubbish they're trying to insist on about class not being an issue is a fucking joke. Times must be desperate when David The Forehead Cameron can sound convincing.
It's not a when at all. They'll never do it. The race card is too important to their core supporters; who must wake up every day thanking God they weren't born black or foreign.

Slightly less deceitful...I suppose you could say that, they're unapologetic about being bigoted scum after all
Exactly.
Fuck voting.