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everyone, probably, has a diff opinion about this but, since there are only, really, two opinions possible, someone must be able to back-up one or the other, to a reasonable degree. anyone?

"no one" or "no-one"?

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 12 August 2005 08:40 (twenty years ago)

let's not even mention "noone"

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 12 August 2005 08:40 (twenty years ago)

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Friday, 12 August 2005 08:45 (twenty years ago)

There's a time and place for both. Keeps things interesting.

― tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Friday, 12 August 2005 08:45 (twenty years ago)

no-one most certainly for me

― Ste (Fuzzy), Friday, 12 August 2005 08:46 (twenty years ago)

I can never decide, therefore 'nobody'.

― Mädchen (Madchen), Friday, 12 August 2005 08:47 (twenty years ago)

no-one

― N_RQ, Friday, 12 August 2005 08:49 (twenty years ago)

no one.

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 12 August 2005 08:49 (twenty years ago)

no-one for me. Also "to-day".

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 12 August 2005 08:49 (twenty years ago)

rof-lmao

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 12 August 2005 08:50 (twenty years ago)

see there's no hyphen for "no one" in x-files (as opposed to xfiles)

http://xfang.customer.netspace.net.au/xfiles/pics/trustno1.jpg

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 12 August 2005 08:51 (twenty years ago)

Surely no one has used "to-day" since the days of Jane Austen!

― Alce Tea-Skirt (kate), Friday, 12 August 2005 08:51 (twenty years ago)

I hate the look of hyphenated words. Obv you do need to hyphenate no-one if there would be a confusion with 'no one' meaning 'no single one', but like Madchen I'd just use 'nobody' instead.

'To-day' is mentalism!

― Archel (Archel), Friday, 12 August 2005 08:52 (twenty years ago)

maybe it should be noone.

cooperative or co-operative?

― N_RQ, Friday, 12 August 2005 08:53 (twenty years ago)

I say "no one".

I am backed up by the Times and Guardian style guides.

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 12 August 2005 08:53 (twenty years ago)

to-day rox0r, fuck the hate-ers.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 12 August 2005 08:54 (twenty years ago)

co-operative. cooperative = something to do w/ where chickens live.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 12 August 2005 08:55 (twenty years ago)

I want that X-Files grab to say 'Trust Noone'

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Friday, 12 August 2005 08:57 (twenty years ago)

i hearby register tobe noone as my nome de plume

― tobe noone (bulbs), Friday, 12 August 2005 08:59 (twenty years ago)

I think no-one is one word

do people think it is...two words?

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 12 August 2005 09:00 (twenty years ago)

http://www.keener13.com/images/peter_noone_med.gif
And in his eyes you see nothing.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 12 August 2005 09:01 (twenty years ago)

cooperative. and coordinate. Everyone knows what they mean and it doesn't distract the eye with unnecessary punctuation.

― Archel (Archel), Friday, 12 August 2005 09:02 (twenty years ago)

it is one word and microsoft agrees.

alba: how does a hyphen 'distract'. what's distracting is how the make a 'coo' sound.

― N_RQ, Friday, 12 August 2005 09:03 (twenty years ago)

I am not Archel.

(I prefer "no one" to "no-one". The style guide here, begun by someone of this parish, recommends wimping out of a decision and using "nobody" instead, but I think "nobody" is uglier.)

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 12 August 2005 09:05 (twenty years ago)

Perhaps it should be... noöne?

I love the prissy way the New Yorker persists with "coöperate".

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Friday, 12 August 2005 09:10 (twenty years ago)

Madchen thinks that if you write no-one, you should you also write some-one, which is quite clearly wrong, so no-one must be wrong also. Noone looks funny, so nobody is the only answer. This is logick, not wimpishness.

― Mädchen (Madchen), Friday, 12 August 2005 09:10 (twenty years ago)

(makes mental note for future use - "some-one")

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 12 August 2005 09:11 (twenty years ago)

cõ-öperatê

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 12 August 2005 09:11 (twenty years ago)

some one remind me when the language was guided by logic.

― N_RQ, Friday, 12 August 2005 09:12 (twenty years ago)

It is

no one

RJG.

Trust me.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 12 August 2005 09:13 (twenty years ago)

ask that esperanto dude

xpost

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 12 August 2005 09:14 (twenty years ago)

Logick, not logic.

― Mädchen (Madchen), Friday, 12 August 2005 09:14 (twenty years ago)

there's nothing wrong with using a hyphen to separate two vowels and avoid confusion: cf re-educate, redefine.

the "correct" (ie oxford) answer is that it's "no one". but the h3r4ld's new style book, on which i have toiled like a mutha for more than a year, will advise "no-one", for reasons lost in the mists of time (but very much to do with the breaking of words over narrow columns).

actually, in all seriousness: it will also advise "nobody" wherever possible. do you want a job, mädchen?

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Friday, 12 August 2005 09:16 (twenty years ago)

My Canadian Oxford Dictionary says "no one (also no-one)", so that's no good whatsoever.

I hate "coworkers" -- I always see it as "cow-orkers".
And "weeknights" = "wee knights". Bring on the dancing hyphens, say I!

― Surfer_Stone_Rosalita (Surfer_Stone_Rosalita), Friday, 12 August 2005 09:17 (twenty years ago)

I don't like Nobody. It sounds so... well, all that physical corporeal nastiness of bringing BODIES into it. One must avoid that kind of thing at all cost!

― Alce Tea-Skirt (kate), Friday, 12 August 2005 09:19 (twenty years ago)

NO-ONE!

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 12 August 2005 09:20 (twenty years ago)

"No one" is such a beautiful, elegant phrase.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 12 August 2005 09:20 (twenty years ago)

omg, that's the most britishes thing i've seen kate say yet! good work!

― N_RQ, Friday, 12 August 2005 09:22 (twenty years ago)

"Nobody" sounds like something they'd use in Chigley or Camberwick Green. It almost rhymes with "Mr Blobby". It should be avoided in serious prose.

Alternatively, try "nae cunt".

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 12 August 2005 09:24 (twenty years ago)

'None' could be used as an alternative in many cases, says I.

― NickB (NickB), Friday, 12 August 2005 09:25 (twenty years ago)

Grimly, I will certainly work for you if I can use "nae cunt".

― Mädchen (Madchen), Friday, 12 August 2005 09:25 (twenty years ago)

I don't think it can be "no one" if it isn't "some one" and "every one" and "any one"

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 12 August 2005 09:26 (twenty years ago)

RJG gets it.

― Mädchen (Madchen), Friday, 12 August 2005 09:28 (twenty years ago)

omg, that's the most britishes thing i've seen kate say yet! good work!

Oh, come off it!

(I blame Katie Fox and Watching The English I think it's made me hyper aware of this sort of thing.)

― Alce Tea-Skirt (kate), Friday, 12 August 2005 09:28 (twenty years ago)

nobody makes you want to pronounce it like "nob ody"

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 12 August 2005 09:28 (twenty years ago)

I think I am right

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 12 August 2005 09:30 (twenty years ago)

also: coworker is a terrible work to start with anyway, with or without the hyphen. "colleague" is so much nicer!

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 12 August 2005 09:30 (twenty years ago)

RJG's opinion is right.

― N_RQ, Friday, 12 August 2005 09:32 (twenty years ago)

coworker works if your coworkers are cows.

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 12 August 2005 09:32 (twenty years ago)

Yes it can and it is, you are wrong.

Collins has no-one as their first choice, so it must be wrong.

It's not Feng-Shui, is it?

Or is it?

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 12 August 2005 09:33 (twenty years ago)

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Oops.

― Mädchen (Madchen), Friday, 12 August 2005 11:33 (twenty years ago)

Geoff Ho-on.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 12 August 2005 11:34 (twenty years ago)

I *know* how to pronounce zoology, cooperation and coordinate, hyphen or no hyphen. If other people can't figure it out that's their problem.

― Archel (Archel), Friday, 12 August 2005 11:37 (twenty years ago)

people really should be spelt without the o to make it easier to pronounce.

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 12 August 2005 11:40 (twenty years ago)

people really should be spelt without the o to make it easier to pronounce.

That's a slippery slope that ends in "color".

― theantmustdance (theantmustdance), Friday, 12 August 2005 11:43 (twenty years ago)

well, anyway, consensus has been reached: it's no-one. sorry haters!

― N_RQ, Friday, 12 August 2005 11:45 (twenty years ago)

I prefer 'no one' as well - 'noone' is clearly disastrous, if only for Herman's-Hermits-related reasons; and I don't see the point of a hyphen where no ambiguity is possible unless some lunatic creates it by hideous and deliberate contrivances. People who will write in that way may as well use a space, hyphen or the combined word as they will, since nothing can save their writing.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 12 August 2005 11:48 (twenty years ago)

No one, not even the rain, agrees with N_RQ and RJG and all the other people who have names made up from letters that don't go together.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 12 August 2005 11:52 (twenty years ago)

get you!

― N_RQ, Friday, 12 August 2005 11:53 (twenty years ago)

I am with The Beatles.

(& P_J Miller)

― Mooro (Mooro), Friday, 12 August 2005 12:21 (twenty years ago)

argument won, the 'non-one' team retire to the bench.

― N_RQ, Friday, 12 August 2005 12:23 (twenty years ago)

my letters don't go together??

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 12 August 2005 12:25 (twenty years ago)

ihttp://www.toothpastefordinner.com/081005/grammar-police-arrest-this-man.gif

― Archel (Archel), Friday, 12 August 2005 12:29 (twenty years ago)

http://www.toothpastefordinner.com/081005/grammar-police-arrest-this-man.gif

― arche1 (ken c), Friday, 12 August 2005 12:31 (twenty years ago)

if momus were her
He never her!

― k/l (Ken L), Friday, 12 August 2005 12:35 (twenty years ago)

http://www.pietalent.com/artists/peternoone.jpg
I'm not no one, I'm 'En-er-y the Eighth, I am I am

(But Alba already pwned this)

― k/l (Ken L), Friday, 12 August 2005 12:39 (twenty years ago)

Yes, your letters go together beautifully, as do N_RQ's, I just felt I had to resort to underhand tactics to ensure victory.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:04 (twenty years ago)

Underscore tactics.

― Archel (Archel), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:09 (twenty years ago)

No one looks fine, whereas no-one or noone look wrong. There, I've settled it. End thread.

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:12 (twenty years ago)

NO-ONE

― N_RQ, Friday, 12 August 2005 13:13 (twenty years ago)

no_one?

― Archel (Archel), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:14 (twenty years ago)

It takes one to no one.

― NickB (NickB), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:15 (twenty years ago)

n0on3

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:16 (twenty years ago)

xpost roffle

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:16 (twenty years ago)

No0ne.

― spontine (cis), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:17 (twenty years ago)

/\/() @|73

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:18 (twenty years ago)

http://aquabluemusic.users.btopenworld.com/prodigy/howard.jpg
No one is to blame

― k/l (Ken L), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:38 (twenty years ago)

No one in the world ever had a love as true as my love

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:39 (twenty years ago)

http://a.abclocal.go.com/images/kabc/kabc_092704_chaka.jpg
Ain't nobody, punctuate better

― k/l (Ken L), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:43 (twenty years ago)

Oh no I didn't.

I don't think I voted yet: "No one" for the reasons given by Alba, Martin and others.

― k/l (Ken L), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:44 (twenty years ago)

http://www.bondmusic.de/images/Single_7_TSWLM_Simon_back.jpg

STOP GETTING PUNCTUATION WRONG

― N_RQ, Friday, 12 August 2005 13:46 (twenty years ago)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v229/rob_brennan/ilx/noone.jpg

― robster (robster), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:47 (twenty years ago)

http://www.h4.dion.ne.jp/~sonoro/nobody3.jpg

― k/l (Ken L), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:55 (twenty years ago)

http://www.modjourn.brown.edu/mjp/Image/Flaxman/Cyclops.gif

― k/l (Ken L), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:56 (twenty years ago)

I am trying to find a record sleeve with "nae cunt" written on it.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:59 (twenty years ago)

No one painting was a problem.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 12 August 2005 14:21 (twenty years ago)

god I'm glad I missed this. Still:
noöne.

― stet (stet), Friday, 12 August 2005 14:30 (twenty years ago)

I've always used "no one" and in fact didn't even realize that "no-one" was acceptable, which is worrying, since I'm a copy editor.

I am also dismayed that I was not the first to make reference to Jeff Noon (although bizarrely I thought it was Geoffrey Noone? Oh wait, I'm thinking of Geoffrey Beene, never mind, carry on), nor the first to mention skiing, which I always wondered if the New Yorker would spell skiïng. Ditto Hawaiïan.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 12 August 2005 14:39 (twenty years ago)

Actually I'm not sure Hawaiïan makes sense, although Hawaiï might.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 12 August 2005 14:42 (twenty years ago)

(Yes, I know, neither of them really make sense, since it's a place name.)

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 12 August 2005 14:43 (twenty years ago)

no-one

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 12 August 2005 14:43 (twenty years ago)

scarecrow
scarecrow
scarecrow

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 12 August 2005 14:45 (twenty years ago)

scar e-crow

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 12 August 2005 14:46 (twenty years ago)

ihttp://www.maccafan.net/Friends/p/NobodyIknow.jpg

― k/l (Ken L), Friday, 12 August 2005 20:06 (twenty years ago)

PF?

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 15 August 2005 19:04 (twenty years ago)

PF has been surprised by my flagrant disregard for the hyphen before, so I suspect he favours no-one, or at least sees nothing wrong with it.

It's no one, btw.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 15 August 2005 20:07 (twenty years ago)

NEVER hyphenate "no one"

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Monday, 15 August 2005 20:27 (twenty years ago)

no-one

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 15 August 2005 20:50 (twenty years ago)

Matos reminds me that Jess should really be reading these grammar threads.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 15 August 2005 20:53 (twenty years ago)

OH SHIBT

― everyone has aibds, Monday, 15 August 2005 22:16 (twenty years ago)

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