Oh, what's the bloody point? [mod edit: point re-identified hurrah]

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Yeah the salary fuck-up kicked it off. Never mind I had plans for today, things to do, places to go...no, because of some fucking idiot-brained IT cuntswallow and some computer system bought for £2.99 out of fucking Dodgy Derek's of Dalston, I have to suffer. Not THEM, not the morons who caused the trouble, but ME.

And then they try to reduce my hours and on top of that I am not even going to get PAID????

This weekend of all weekends. I was really looking forward to it. My first Poptimism - another important barrier to cross. But no, it's not to be because I AM FOR WHATEVER REASON NOT ALLOWED TO LIVE. Everything I had to do today I will have to do tomorrow (assuming that the money's in by then, which is a big assumption), therefore everything I was going to do tomorrow I now can't do, including more important socialising.

Next Thursday it will have been four years. Nothing to show for it. Nothing achieved. No difference made. Everybody else has moved on. Not me. Always something, usually me, to stop me from doing that. Being systematically destroyed by the very thing I'm protecting most. How messed up is that?

Maybe I should just go to the Maudsley waving the white flag. Maybe I should have been in there a long time ago. Either that or get out of this world altogether. There don't seem to be any other alternatives.

logged out for obvious reasons (nostudium), Friday, 19 August 2005 08:14 (twenty years ago)

If you are assured of some salary being paid in the very near future, give your bank a quick call and ask for a temporary overdraft of however much you were hoping to spend this weekend, and explain that payroll messed up and your salary is on its way but will be late. They won't charge you anything for setting a temporary overdraft up, and will only charge a small amount of interest - maybe just a quid or two - for the time you are overdrawn. They do it cheaply, if you ask them first.

Then you can go out and have the fun you had planned for this weekend. Please don't get wound up and upset over what your IT department have cocked up - that part is beyond your control, but getting your end of things sorted out isn't. So make that call to your bank right now, and have a smashing weekend :)

Your other stumbling blocks are a whole 'nother thing, but ...... baby steps, baby steps ....

C J (C J), Friday, 19 August 2005 08:22 (twenty years ago)

Maybe you don't see the steps you have made. It's best not to expect too much, change is small and gradual.

Is there no way you can get money? As CJ suggested, banks will give you a little overdraft and maybe you have some money saved for emergencies?

nathalie starts to cry each time we meet (stevie nixed), Friday, 19 August 2005 08:25 (twenty years ago)

no the money's there all right, it was paid in on wednesday, i checked, but until it shows up on my account the only way of getting it out is to go to my local branch with my passbook and appropriate ID, and for various work/home distance-related reasons i can't actually do that until tomorrow morning as i don't have any of that stuff with me at work and by the time i get home the bank will be shut.

it's just a pain and has meant that my weekend has been fucked up. and out of all the weekends to fuck up, this was the one that shouldn't have been fucked up. it was sort of my "coming out" weekend. obviously however it is not to be.

perhaps i'm just not destined to find happiness again. perhaps i'm just meant to do penance for the rest of my life.

logged out for obvious reasons (nostudium), Friday, 19 August 2005 08:49 (twenty years ago)

Has it been paid into a bank, or a building society?

C J (C J), Friday, 19 August 2005 08:53 (twenty years ago)

Yes, you are destined for happiness, but it's something you do have to work out. (This probably doesn't make sense, but, heck, that's my theory...) Is there no way to get money out of the bank? Do you have a credit card? You could take money out of the cashmachine with your credit card? If I would live closeby, I'd lend you some but alas I'm stuck here. :-)

nathalie starts to cry each time we meet (stevie nixed), Friday, 19 August 2005 08:58 (twenty years ago)

I'm sure that plenty of people would offer to buy you drinks tonight, I'm sure I could give you enough to get yourself a bottle of blossom hill, num num!

It's easy for me to say, but it's not the end of the world and you need to rise above the crap and show yourself that you'll not let things outside of your control get you down.

Vicky (Vicky), Friday, 19 August 2005 08:59 (twenty years ago)

i can lend you £50 if you like

ken c (ken c), Friday, 19 August 2005 08:59 (twenty years ago)

xxpost

ken c (ken c), Friday, 19 August 2005 08:59 (twenty years ago)

Here's one reason that life is worth living - you've got people like these around ready to buy you drinks. Hell, Ken's offering to lend you fifty quid. In my country, that's an apartment block's total weekly salary.

So that's a start.

Mike Stuchbery (Mike Stuchbery), Friday, 19 August 2005 09:19 (twenty years ago)

it is all very kind, but psychologically i'm not up to tonight. maybe this if nothing else proves that i've got a long way still to go before i'm in the right state for this sort of thing.

it's like: you spend ages building your shattered confidence up again, one miniscule step at a time, and just when you think you can cope it's like the ant climbing to the top of the hill and then someone's finger knocks it back down to the bottom. so psychologically this has knocked me back down to the bottom, so to speak, so i'm going to have to do it all over again, and i really don't have the energy or patience or even much of a will to do so.

so see you all in another 12 months' time, if i'm still around, and don't bet on the latter.

logged out for obvious reasons (nostudium), Friday, 19 August 2005 09:26 (twenty years ago)

Still, the banks are - and always will be - cuntswallows. This is not a new, sudden development.

Cygne de Mort (Mike Stuchbery), Friday, 19 August 2005 09:36 (twenty years ago)

so see you all in another 12 months' time, if i'm still around, and don't bet on the latter.

So you're just going to revert back to the former you? The person that contunually alludes to suicide as if it was some kind of threat? I know this is a difficult time of year for you, but just go back & read some of the responses on this thread. People want you to attend this evening & although your financial situation is unfortunate, it's not exactly catastrophic. I've been so impressed with your "new lease of life" attitude that you've adopted of late, it would be such a shame to let that all slide now. Be grateful that you are still here & embrace those friends that you continually push away.

Panther Pink (Pinkpanther), Friday, 19 August 2005 09:39 (twenty years ago)

OTM.

Mike Stuchbery (Mike Stuchbery), Friday, 19 August 2005 09:41 (twenty years ago)

my offer is serious btw. i mean, it's only cashflow problems and it's not like you're actually broke right?

ken c (ken c), Friday, 19 August 2005 09:55 (twenty years ago)

You're clearly having a really rubbish day, and this money situation has knocked you for six and ruined your eager anticipation of your weekend of socialising. I can't begin to imagine how difficult it must be to deal with things through a fog of misery or depression which is giving you a grey perspective on everything, but please realise that the practicalities of sorting this out are really quite possible. People wouldn't be offering you advice, offering to buy you drinks tonight, or offering to lend you money if they didn't care about you, and want to see you at Poptimism. Maybe they like you or something :)

So let's sort this out, so that you can go and enjoy yourself tonight. Do you have a bank current account?

C J (C J), Friday, 19 August 2005 10:03 (twenty years ago)

no ken i'm not broke, i'll go to the abbey tomorrow morning and it will all be sorted, but i feel like i've been broken. i really appreciate your offer, it's far too kind of you, but at the moment i look like shit and feel like shit and i would just bring the evening down. you don't want another graham.

that's the thing about asperger's. the mind works in such a minutely meticulous and methodical way in that you make these elaborate, interlocking plans and you get severely distressed if said plans get wrecked by factors beyond your control.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 19 August 2005 10:05 (twenty years ago)

i agree that it might be hard to see what you've accomplished over the last few years, but it's clear to a lot of people that you have made 'progress', made friendships, and generally are a lot more pleasant to talk to around here. you're allowed to have a shit day. that kind of money situation is enough to send anyone reeling. and when combined with a sad anniversary, it probably seems like a 'sign' or something.

but it's not. as others have said, banks suck. wallow in your anger over it for a while, come out and blag your way into poptimism, and let people buy you drinks, seriously. i'll buy you one! after a bottle of cheap wine, you'll have forgotten all about stupid banks!

colette (a2lette), Friday, 19 August 2005 10:11 (twenty years ago)

xpost i understand how you mean though. and yeah you shouldn't make yourself come unless you really feel like it - plan for next month perhaps?

ken c (ken c), Friday, 19 August 2005 10:12 (twenty years ago)

I understand what you're saying Marcello, but would friends extending a helping hand to put your plans back on track not raise your spirits? Even a little?

So you look like shit - so what? I bet you scrub up okay. And an evening in the company of friends is good - especially as you had been looking forward to it so much - and it's better than an evening alone. Don't argue :)

C J (C J), Friday, 19 August 2005 10:17 (twenty years ago)

Everybody at Poptimism will look awful. That's what Poptimism is.

I hate these bank things, and gas bill things, and Telewest things, it is surprising how much they sap your strength, but it will help to bend somebody's ear about it.

Neither will it hurt to postpone your socialising until next time, in favour of a quiet night in, if you don't feel like going out.

I wouldn't recommend cheap wine though, get a decent bottle and enjoy it.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 19 August 2005 10:26 (twenty years ago)

Of course if you don't feel like going out, you should stay in. But I *always* feel like staying in when I have something planned for the same day. I have to force myself to get out of the house and have some fun. What I'm saying is, you have to *look for happiness*. It rarely comes to you. I know a difficult time is ahead, but you have so many people who care for you! Surely that will lessen the sadness a little?

nathalie starts to cry each time we meet (stevie nixed), Friday, 19 August 2005 10:46 (twenty years ago)

"Next Thursday it will have been four years. Nothing to show for it. Nothing achieved. No difference made. Everybody else has moved on. Not me."

This is simply not true and if you weren't temporarily feeling quite so shit at the moment you'd know it.

"Always something, usually me, to stop me from doing that. Being systematically destroyed by the very thing I'm protecting most. How messed up is that?"

I'm afraid that's human nature.

"it's just a pain and has meant that my weekend has been fucked up. and out of all the weekends to fuck up, this was the one that shouldn't have been fucked up. it was sort of my "coming out" weekend. obviously however it is not to be."

Shit happens, it's one of those things, it has no other or deeper meaning beyond the fact that "some fucking idiot-brained IT cuntswallow and some computer system bought for £2.99 out of fucking Dodgy Derek's of Dalston" did what that combination of those things were always and inevitably going to do eventually, so why try to invest thsi crap with some mystical significance?

"it's like: you spend ages building your shattered confidence up again, one miniscule step at a time, and just when you think you can cope it's like the ant climbing to the top of the hill and then someone's finger knocks it back down to the bottom. so psychologically this has knocked me back down to the bottom, so to speak, so i'm going to have to do it all over again, and i really don't have the energy or patience or even much of a will to do so."

Sorry, but this is a crap analogy.

OK, sure there's a metaphorical hill to climb - but real hills don't get easier and easier to climb every time you (inevitably) get knocked back down to the bottom again; and real hills do have a summit.

This isn't something you're ever going to entirely "get over" - so there's absolutely no point in beating yourself up because you haven't done so.

It is something you'll got progressively better at dealing with 'though.

Fwiw, based on the last medical reports I read, I'm expecting something very similar to what happened to you 4 years ago to happen to me at some point.

Absolutely no idea when, could be tomorrow, could be years.

I do sincerely hope you're going to be about to offer me some advice and support when it does 'though, 'cos I don't know anyone else who's been through anything similar.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 19 August 2005 11:12 (twenty years ago)

WHAT???????? Email me off board.

At the moment I am principally worried about what's going to happen if I go to the Abbey tomorrow and (a) the money hasn't been credited and (b) they won't let me have it anyway, even though they reassured me a million times over on the 'phone (after I'd prodded them a million different ways) that it would be there, Even On A Saturday, No You Won't Have To Wait Until Monday. Can't help it; I get paranoid and rather scared about these things (inbred fear of privation etc.). I just wish it was tomorrow and this whole mess was over and done with.

It hasn't stopped raining since this morning which is kind of appropriate.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 19 August 2005 11:37 (twenty years ago)

Yeh, it's pathetic.

Raston Warrior Robot (alix), Friday, 19 August 2005 11:39 (twenty years ago)

Have you ever tried CBT, Marcello?! This is a serious question btw.

toby (tsg20), Friday, 19 August 2005 12:00 (twenty years ago)

Thought about it but it would have to be very hush-hush, i.e. embarrassing for an N*S m*n*g*r to have to go for CBT.

I've never really understand why none of these problems surface when I'm actually doing my job.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 19 August 2005 12:03 (twenty years ago)

What's CBT, Toby?

nathalie starts to cry each time we meet (stevie nixed), Friday, 19 August 2005 12:03 (twenty years ago)

this.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 19 August 2005 12:05 (twenty years ago)

"Email me off board."

Done. Thanks.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 19 August 2005 12:05 (twenty years ago)

"I've never really understand why none of these problems surface when I'm actually doing my job."

Displacement activity?

+ if anything I'd imagine the Aspergers would only increase the ability / propensity to temporarily "lose yourself" in other things.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 19 August 2005 12:08 (twenty years ago)

It is also (again) a by-product of bereavement. I've had run-ins with nitwit banks in the past but Laura was always there to comfort, reassure, laugh off the problem. It didn't matter as long as there was more than one of us around. Not the same when you go home to an empty flat and there's no one to talk to.

The advantage of the Asperger's is that it gives you an analytical mind in terms of abstracts (figures, budgets, staff numbers etc.) even if you're not much good at dealing with flesh-and-blood people, and because I'm v. good at doing that it's afforded me a pretty good living these past 20 years or so.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 19 August 2005 12:10 (twenty years ago)

Thought about it but it would have to be very hush-hush, i.e. embarrassing for an N*S m*n*g*r to have to go for CBT.

would anyone have to know, though? if you could go via your GP, wouldn't it all be confidential?

if it's not an option, how about trying a book on the subject? there are some pretty good ones if you stay away from the self-help section.

this may not be any use to you - but i found it made a pretty big difference to me when dealing with similar problems, and it is all very sensible, logical stuff, so maybe it's worth a go?

toby (tsg20), Friday, 19 August 2005 12:13 (twenty years ago)

If I lived in London and knew where you worked, I'd show up there and escort you to Poptimism myself, and if you resisted, we could act out scenes from Fight Club. It would be fun either way!

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Friday, 19 August 2005 12:40 (twenty years ago)

That why you off to the SW, Stew?

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 19 August 2005 12:51 (twenty years ago)

YAY MY MONEY'S IN! :-))))))))))

Several hours late, but I just checked the cash machine and, yep, it's all there!

Gaah...end of crisis...delete thread/me...I will go to the ball after all!!!!

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 19 August 2005 12:56 (twenty years ago)

I hate happy people

C J (C J), Friday, 19 August 2005 13:01 (twenty years ago)

Oh great - beers are on Marcello!

NickB (NickB), Friday, 19 August 2005 13:10 (twenty years ago)

Does this mean we don't get to punch each other out?

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Friday, 19 August 2005 13:12 (twenty years ago)

i'm up for a fight if you fancy it RH

ken c (ken c), Friday, 19 August 2005 13:20 (twenty years ago)

Can I have that £50 now, Ken?

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 19 August 2005 13:22 (twenty years ago)

Sure thing, Ken — if we're not too busted up we can go bowling afterwards.

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Friday, 19 August 2005 13:28 (twenty years ago)

HURRAH! :-) Now I can be jealous you'll be at Poptimism. :-)

nathalie starts to cry each time we meet (stevie nixed), Friday, 19 August 2005 13:31 (twenty years ago)

Actually you can use the bowling balls to knock eachother/yourself out! Can I watch?

nathalie starts to cry each time we meet (stevie nixed), Friday, 19 August 2005 13:32 (twenty years ago)

What's all this about Marcello giving me money?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 19 August 2005 13:39 (twenty years ago)

Do keep up, Ned. Marcello's come into a windfall and is giving out cash at Poptimism tonight. You and I are not invited. : (

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Friday, 19 August 2005 13:45 (twenty years ago)

I like this thread's happy ending!

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 19 August 2005 13:47 (twenty years ago)

but rock hardy is still sad!! p.s. fight + bowl night sounds great!

PJM: I will lend you £50 on the condition that you spend all of it on chicken and chips at Chicken Cottage, in one visit.

ken c (ken c), Friday, 19 August 2005 14:17 (twenty years ago)

N.B.: Marcello Carlin disassociates himself from the above spurious predictive claims that he will be "giving out cash" tonight. He is adhering strictly to the Diet Coke drink regime.

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 19 August 2005 15:42 (twenty years ago)

i.e. downing one naked at 11:30?

ken c (ken c), Friday, 19 August 2005 15:44 (twenty years ago)

the "naked" segment is debatable. one has to be careful of cameras.

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 19 August 2005 15:47 (twenty years ago)

Ken: My head says yes, but my heart says no.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 22 August 2005 07:03 (twenty years ago)

Mercifully I did not end up naked at any point during the evening's proceedings.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 22 August 2005 07:11 (twenty years ago)


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