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For me, fishing's ok, hunting isn't. My rationale/rationalization:
fishing does not involve weapons, but rather enticement, guile and a sort of extrapolated wrestling (or tug of war).

Please chastise, educate or commiserate.

― M. V. (M.V.), Friday, 19 August 2005 22:24 (twenty years ago)

They're the same thing. Stalking and killing. I fish alot, but always let them go as I don't like cleaning them.

― andy --, Friday, 19 August 2005 22:39 (twenty years ago)

oh great, another hunting thread. This will end well.

at any rate, i come from a fishing/hunting family, tho neither i nor my siblings do either.

― kingfish fucked up his login (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 19 August 2005 22:42 (twenty years ago)

I have fished before, never hunted. I don't like the idea of fishing much, and hunting even less. My friends who fish rationalize it by pointing to the research that says fish don't feel pain. They say it's less about actually catching fish and more about just being outdoors and relaxing, almost meditating. When I go with them now, I do the being outdoors and relaxing part and leave the fishing part to them.

― oops (Oops), Friday, 19 August 2005 22:43 (twenty years ago)

Catch and release seems wrong. If you're going to fuck with and pester the fish, you should at least be doing so because you're going to eat it. But it's not like I want to condemn those who catch and release to hell or anything.

― oops (Oops), Friday, 19 August 2005 22:46 (twenty years ago)

What's disturbing is those hunting shows on TV. "Wow Bob, look at that. What a beautiful animal. Amazing. Just stunning...You got it in your sights? OK good now KILL IT"

― oops (Oops), Friday, 19 August 2005 22:47 (twenty years ago)

There's no contradiction there, oops.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 19 August 2005 23:00 (twenty years ago)

The Onion did a bit on the Outdoor Life Network some months back, where they watched the channel for 24-36 hours. They mentioned the number of shows all of the beauty of God's Creation, and how much fun it was to destroy it, run over it, eat it, shoot it, drive diesel-powered vehicles thru it, etc.

Lets just say that the idea of "stewards of the land" doesn't get all that much airplay.

― kingfish fucked up his login (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 19 August 2005 23:02 (twenty years ago)

The alternative to catch & release is catch & kill... I think most fish would prefer the former.

― andy --, Friday, 19 August 2005 23:09 (twenty years ago)

here it is: http://avclub.com/content/node/24628

Try the Outdoor Life Network, a 24/7 cycle of frugal productions that balance a love of the outdoors with an utter contempt for nature. While the pansies at The Nature Channel or Animal Planet are off observing the wild, the folks at OLN are doing something about it, whether blasting away with double-barreled shotguns or traversing land and sea in souped-up stock cars, "super boats," and all-terrain vehicles...

― kingfish fucked up his login (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 19 August 2005 23:10 (twenty years ago)

Who said there was a contradiction, tracer?

andy, my point was that catch and release seems like torturing an animal for no reason other than to provide you with entertainment, whereas if you catch and kill and, most importantly, eat then it has an, imo, legitimate purpose.

― oops (Oops), Friday, 19 August 2005 23:13 (twenty years ago)

tho the Onion's line of "So where in the vast expanse of cable television do Red State people turn for entertainment?" shows the fallacy of that demarcation, since "non-urban dwellers in every county of north america" is really what's meant.

― kingfish fucked up his login (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 19 August 2005 23:14 (twenty years ago)

i mean, it's disturbing precisely because there's no contradiction.

― oops (Oops), Friday, 19 August 2005 23:15 (twenty years ago)

wow more sneery condescending bullshit from the onion

― 3, Friday, 19 August 2005 23:26 (twenty years ago)

don't worry they're not trying to usurp you

― oops (Oops), Friday, 19 August 2005 23:28 (twenty years ago)

11 p.m.: PBR World Finals (Rerun).

Even better the second time. And after 12 hours of OLN programming, including the throngs here and at Ocean Beach, there's still not a single black person in sight.

yeah unlike yalls writing staff right?!

― 3, Friday, 19 August 2005 23:29 (twenty years ago)

You're not torturing the fish, you're teaching it to be wary.

(Though sometimes, when they swallow the hook for instance, no good comes out of it. I fish because it's a compulsion and I want to master the environment. Fishing is very ancient, it's like an instinct... I get all Ishi and shit.)

― andy --, Friday, 19 August 2005 23:30 (twenty years ago)

xpost suck my dick you leatherfaced dipshit

― 3, Friday, 19 August 2005 23:32 (twenty years ago)

The second and third time I went fishing, my friend hooked turtles. They would freak out and flail around which made it nearly impossible to get the hook out without mauling the turtle and getting blood everywhere. I didn't want to throw a line in the water after that.

― oops (Oops), Friday, 19 August 2005 23:35 (twenty years ago)

I am interested in hunting. Something like a deer -- something edible and large and common. Fish... I dunno... catching and killing and eating a fish always seemed very impersonal and easy (and I've already done it. I'm mostly interested in hunting something bigger than me).

― The Original Jimmy Mod: Kind Warrior (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Friday, 19 August 2005 23:50 (twenty years ago)

...with a smaller gauge rifle. None of this laser sight kill from 600 yards in a blind thing.

― The Original Jimmy Mod: Kind Warrior (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Friday, 19 August 2005 23:51 (twenty years ago)

are you interested in THE MOST DANGEROUS GAME OF ALL!?!

― 3, Friday, 19 August 2005 23:52 (twenty years ago)

Yes.

― The Original Jimmy Mod: Kind Warrior (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Friday, 19 August 2005 23:52 (twenty years ago)

Hunting and fishing are huge topics. Consider the difference between deep-ocean drift-net fishing, and catch-and-release barbless fly fishing for trout. Similarly, hunting can be anything from Ecuadorians with blowguns zapping monkeys in the upper rainforest canopy to shooting bears with exploding bullets from a heated shooting platform when they come to eat the goat you tethered to a stake. Obviously there's a lot of variation in play here.

― Aimless (Aimless), Saturday, 20 August 2005 14:36 (twenty years ago)

this thread = shooting fish in a barrel

― m coleman (lovebug starski), Saturday, 20 August 2005 14:45 (twenty years ago)

my mom is a big hunter

well i think my mom would agree with you on the homosociality of it all. she's definitely an outlier. she likes the outdoors, she likes meticulous processes, and waiting, and doing things that are very serious and risky but also w/ long stretches of quiet. she's not all zen about it or anything but there is definitely a huge art-appeal to her hunting beyond killing shit (and filling my freezer).

-- geoff

(from anthony's hunting pictures thread)

― geoff (gcannon), Saturday, 20 August 2005 14:50 (twenty years ago)

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