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I really hope this is good!

Adam In Real Life (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 21:40 (twenty years ago)

Great book. The trailer doesn't particularly excite me. Could go either way.

chap who would dare to thwart the revolution (chap), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 21:45 (twenty years ago)

'starring Rachel Weisz' = 'I'm there'

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 22:21 (twenty years ago)

I loved the book too, but usually when I like a book I am disappointed in the film. I have hopes though.

Wiggy (Wiggy), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 22:23 (twenty years ago)

i hope it's good too. my friend says it's good.

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 25 August 2005 00:24 (twenty years ago)

i heard ralph fiennes gardened constantly for 18 months to prepare for the role.

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 25 August 2005 00:25 (twenty years ago)

'starring Rachel Weisz' = 'I'm there'

is this a sequel to Teh Mummy?

DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 25 August 2005 14:41 (twenty years ago)

this was a mess - I haven't read the novel, but I suspect they tried to shoehorn as much as possible into 2 hours + the Sudan (which I assume wasn't in the LeCarre original). But it was also, I think, kind of brilliant. Incredible cinematography, amazing transitions without being showy, fine performances (though I don't recommend this for anyone wishing to perv on Weisz), Fiennes plays against type as vulnerable and kind of weak (though, you know, hunky).

With this and the Bourne series it's the Golden Age of conspiracy thriller novel adaptations, I think.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 04:20 (twenty years ago)

Loved it. Was surprisingly touched by the love story. It would almost make a good date movie... almost.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 04:38 (twenty years ago)

I felt like the love plot was my least favourite thing about it, even though I liked both characters enough.

scout (scout), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 06:22 (twenty years ago)

I thought it was excellent.

n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 13:05 (twenty years ago)

Esp. visually. Some great images and an interesting color palette. Takes its time to really get going, I thought it was better once the flashbacks were done and Fiennes started to take action and investigate, but the first half is really necessary for the second half. So I appreciate that it took the time to build and develop.

n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 13:33 (twenty years ago)

I kept having Runaway Jury flashbacks, which were bothersome. Otherwise, very good. Some hokey Mtv-circa-97 editing going on, though.

Aaron A, Tuesday, 6 September 2005 14:07 (twenty years ago)

oh, this ought to be a good autumn for the films.

N_RQ, Tuesday, 6 September 2005 14:08 (twenty years ago)

Some hokey Mtv-circa-97 editing going on, though.

I must admit, I am now officially sick to death of ShakyCam.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 14:11 (twenty years ago)

The official term is WobbleCam.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 14:13 (twenty years ago)

Adam & Joe say 'shakeycam'

N_RQ, Tuesday, 6 September 2005 14:14 (twenty years ago)

I didn't think it was so bad on the shakeycam and editing - maybe because I'm comparing it to City of God, and it's not like Tony Scott or Oliver Stone got their grubby mitts on it.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 16:08 (twenty years ago)

I say VomitCam, because that's what I did during this movie.

j.lu (j.lu), Monday, 19 September 2005 03:11 (twenty years ago)

It felt like there were some colors in this cinematography that don't show up on movie screens all that often. Not all of them probably should. But, yeah, there are some wonderful shots in here, especially that pan from the country club golf greens that sails past some rusty rail tracks and winding up 180º over, looking out on the corrugated tin roofs of the Kenyan slum.

Still, the extreme importance of all the BIG THINGS the screenplay deals with -- globalization, corporate malfeasance, Africans-as-lab-rats -- sort of superceded everything the screenplay winded up with in the last half-hour or so. I know that's sort of par for the course: political intrigue thrillers have to first expand the scope to gastronomic proportions before tightening the iris again to bring about the conclusion.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 21:23 (twenty years ago)

I thought this was fantastic. Probably not the best adaptation of LeCarre (that's gotta be The Spy Who Came In From The Cold for film or Guiness/Smiley/Karla stuff the BBC did in the early 80s if you want to count enormous TV stuff) but it still worked really well, playing a nice balance between a rather nice love story, political intrigue and political activism. Great camera-work and some really good acting (except Bill Nighy who I kept imagining had a twirly mustache--actually that's the only weak part of the movie, the "evil" guys are just too cartoonish-ly evil, real corporate bastards are actually charming and likeable as hell sadly.) I can't wait to see this guy's soccer movie.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 30 September 2005 01:18 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, they should've got a far more mild-mannered, charming guy for the Bill Nighy role. Michael Palin maybe.

Other than that and the 'here comes the message' speech from the lawyer at the end, I loved it. It's been a while since I've read the book, but it semed to be pretty faithful.

chap who would dare to thwart the revolution (chap), Friday, 30 September 2005 01:41 (twenty years ago)

i did not like this movie.

the story was very bad and uneven.

t0dd swiss (immobilisme), Friday, 30 September 2005 01:41 (twenty years ago)

actually that's the only weak part of the movie, the "evil" guys are just too cartoonish-ly evil, real corporate bastards are actually charming and likeable as hell sadly.

They shoulda made this movie a musical.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Friday, 30 September 2005 02:37 (twenty years ago)

"Where is the rent? I must have the rent. Dollars, dimes, and nickels -- I need them all right now!"

Mr. Stingly (Alex in SF), Friday, 30 September 2005 02:51 (twenty years ago)

"You know you ought to give Kenya... AIDS-plagued Kenya... a tryyyyyy!"

Eric H. (Eric H.), Friday, 30 September 2005 03:40 (twenty years ago)

Loved it.

400% Nice (nordicskilla), Sunday, 9 October 2005 06:04 (twenty years ago)

that's a BIG "Loved".

Plenty of things actually wrong with it - talky at times, totally uneven pace, "message" spelt out too literally and too often, even flashy direction, but it's still the best thing I've seen all year. The pan that Eric mentioned (and the scene that preceded it) was breathtaking.

400% Nice (nordicskilla), Sunday, 9 October 2005 06:09 (twenty years ago)

I love Bill Nighy, too!

400% Nice (nordicskilla), Sunday, 9 October 2005 06:10 (twenty years ago)

Boring!

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Sunday, 9 October 2005 07:38 (twenty years ago)

I kept thinking, well, if the drug company's ploy is real(as Le Carre claims)... can't I just read a magazine article about it? What's the point of a fictional version? (Also plot trouble: Why does she send the report through "official channels" and not just to a newspaper? And there's no conceivable reason why she needs to keep all the secrets from Fiennes -- I mean, it just makes her seem like kind of a jerk.)

Fiennes was quite brilliant, though, I thought. Weisz's early-on scene in the lecture hall made my skin crawl. (Maybe it was supposed to.)

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Sunday, 9 October 2005 07:45 (twenty years ago)

Fuck you!

400% Nice (nordicskilla), Sunday, 9 October 2005 18:17 (twenty years ago)

(haha)

400% Nice (nordicskilla), Sunday, 9 October 2005 18:17 (twenty years ago)

No, actually, fuck you.

400% Nice (nordicskilla), Sunday, 9 October 2005 18:18 (twenty years ago)

I do agree that there is no reason why she should lead this almost double life, and I never found it totally convincing that he would take up her mission with such zeal only seconds after her coffin is laid to rest. But if you could read the story or a newspaper article about this, we wouldn't have a great movie full of wonderful images and good performances!!

400% Nice (nordicskilla), Sunday, 9 October 2005 18:28 (twenty years ago)

why write novels at all?

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 9 October 2005 18:41 (twenty years ago)

I love novels!

400% Nice (nordicskilla), Sunday, 9 October 2005 18:43 (twenty years ago)

that was to chuck.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 9 October 2005 18:58 (twenty years ago)

She kept a double life because she loved him and wanted to protect him/his career. That's why she sent information through his official channels (also some naive-lefty stuff about thinking the powers-that-be might do good?) before turning completely to the NGOs (the woman in Berlin).

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Sunday, 9 October 2005 19:22 (twenty years ago)

I'll buy that.

400% Nice (nordicskilla), Sunday, 9 October 2005 19:31 (twenty years ago)

An aside - I kind of felt some of the shaky cam actually helped a few scenes that would have otherwise been an qwful lot of two-shots with dialogue. But did it betray a lack of confidence in/understanding of his actors?

I also want to know what camera they were using for all the waist-height shots where Rachel Weisz is first seen walking through the shanty towns. You still got all those rich colors and grain but it HAD to be something light and easy to carry. Was it Super 16?

400% Nice (nordicskilla), Sunday, 9 October 2005 19:38 (twenty years ago)

"Weisz's early-on scene in the lecture hall made my skin crawl. (Maybe it was supposed to.)"

Yeah I think it was. You aren't supposed to like her that much at the beginning, your feelings for her are supposed to change as you get to know her more and more as the film progresses. It's a clever trick (although it does unfortunately end up meaning the Rachel Weisz you like the most = dead Rachel Weisz--which depending on how you feel about Rachel Weisz may have been what you suspected all along heh.)

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 9 October 2005 19:57 (twenty years ago)

so...was it a prosthetic pregnant belly?

Is it weird that I find that weird?

400% Nice (nordicskilla), Sunday, 9 October 2005 19:58 (twenty years ago)

I didn't think that Fiennes reaction was unbelieveable at all though. I thought it made sense that this guy who was almost sleepwalking through his marriage would be jolted by his wife's death (AND the revelation that she was not unfaithful) and would take discovering the truth about her very very seriously.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 9 October 2005 20:02 (twenty years ago)

Weisz's early-on scene in the lecture hall

Also, am I right in thinking that this scene was shot in the Tate? Why would a diplomat-to-be-or-whatever-he-was be giving a lecture in the Tate? Are we supposed to know it's the Tate? Am I thinking about this too much?

400% Nice (nordicskilla), Sunday, 9 October 2005 20:03 (twenty years ago)

so many questions!

I also really hated that graphic for "WHD" or whatever the Canadian company was that kept popping up. It was too much Robocop sinister corporation in a movie.

But still...these are small concerns.

400% Nice (nordicskilla), Sunday, 9 October 2005 20:05 (twenty years ago)

Well we don't know exactly whose lecture it is he is reading (he's reading someone else's cards IIRC), I don't think it gets revealed, so I think it's hard to say why they would be there. I don't think it really matters though either.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 9 October 2005 20:27 (twenty years ago)

But did it betray a lack of confidence in/understanding of his actors?

Yeah, the shakeycam was OTT, I thought. Is it really necessary to WOOOAHHH SHAKEYYCAMMM while Ralph Fiennes is peeling a tangerine? Or stepping on a train? (i.e. " Look, he's on the Eurotunnel! WOOAAAAHHH..." etc.)

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Sunday, 9 October 2005 20:28 (twenty years ago)

(Also, I don't think you're meant to know it's the Tate.)

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Sunday, 9 October 2005 20:29 (twenty years ago)

Nah the shakeycam is just his schtick. He's OTT with it in City of God too. I like it actually.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 9 October 2005 20:30 (twenty years ago)

if you could read the story or a newspaper article about this, we wouldn't have a great movie full of wonderful images and good performances!!

Okay, point taken. I think I just didn't like the characters (while still admiring the acting.)

Also: SPOILER SPOILER how do the killers know where to find Ralphie at the end?

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Sunday, 9 October 2005 20:30 (twenty years ago)

More of a crutch than a stick, I thought

(xpost)

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Sunday, 9 October 2005 20:31 (twenty years ago)

(But I am happy to differ.)

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Sunday, 9 October 2005 20:32 (twenty years ago)

how do the killers know where to find Ralphie at the end?

When Ralph has his final conversation with aging-spy-with-cancer, he tells him that Crick will know where to find him, "he's been there before". It's a bit presumptuous, but it also outs Crick as the guy that carried out the hit. Even though we know that.

400% Nice (nordicskilla), Sunday, 9 October 2005 20:34 (twenty years ago)

I think Mereilles is mad talented, shakey cam or no.

400% Nice (nordicskilla), Sunday, 9 October 2005 20:34 (twenty years ago)

I just think of how so many capable directors could have fucked that whole thing up so badly. He seems to have an almost spiritual confidence in his own choices. It really come through (for me, anyway).

400% Nice (nordicskilla), Sunday, 9 October 2005 20:36 (twenty years ago)

came through

400% Nice (nordicskilla), Sunday, 9 October 2005 20:37 (twenty years ago)

This is what I posted on my blog last month:

Two films worthy of studying side by side: William Wyler's The Letter (1940) and Fernando Meirelles' adaptation of John Le Carre's The Constant Gardener. Far from a great film, The Constant Gardener is nevertheless a gripping one, suggesting the ways in which bureaucracy and a crumbling sense of entitlement become indistinguishable from totalitarianism at its most invisible and omnipotent. Justin Quayle (Ralph Fiennes) finds himself fighting a pharmaceutical company which treats AIDS-stricken Kenyans as laboratory rats -- a fight he was reluctant to pursue until his activist pain-in-the-ass wife Tessa (Rachel Weisz) is murdered by local thugs hired by said company.

Meirelles suggests that Quayle's relentlessness is in part due to his wife's considerable sexual magnetism (Weisz gives the film's best performance: fierce, sly, ironic) and not at all related to a repressed sense of justice. An unintended effect, I wager. The film's major flaw is that we never see Fiennes at work. He's supposed to be a diplomat but we get no sense of why he chose this profession (other than he's feeble and passive; not a complimentary view of the diplomatic corp, this) or what drives him other than he loved his wife. This doesn't detract from Fiennes' work. A pallid, wispy actor when called upon to project sincerity, he is entirely convincing as a man who accepts the fact that his life has changed inexorably, which makes Quayle kissing cousins with other Fiennes characters (his deformed count in The English Patient for starters).

In The Letter, Bette Davis' rubber plantation's wife offs her lover after he spurns her. She's so respectable that she can prepare breakfast for her lawyer, husband, and arresting officer minutes before being arrested (in Singapore the English ruling class stuck together). Like The Constant Gardener, Wyler's film shows the savagery into which hegemony sinks when it avoids accepting responsibility for its actions, as well as the effect on the natives hegemony's civil servants are purportedly educating. All these subtleties are apparent in Davis' performance. Pauline Kael was correct when she noted that Davis "gives what is very likely the best study of female sexual hypocrisy in film history."

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 9 October 2005 20:41 (twenty years ago)

The film's major flaw is that we never see Fiennes at work.

Definitely. I suppose we're not meant to think he does particularly noteworthy or distinguished work (just pulling weeds?), but I was saying this last night.

400% Nice (nordicskilla), Sunday, 9 October 2005 20:46 (twenty years ago)

That didn't bother me at all. Fiennes appeared to be a mid-level Foreign Service nobody - a person for whom diplomacy was a solid middle-class career and nothing more. His work wasn't even related to the film (or Weisz's work).

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Sunday, 9 October 2005 21:05 (twenty years ago)

I just didn't like the plot convenienve of how Weisz is supposed to be clever/sassy/sexy/etc (She uncovers a conspiracy! And she cares about sick children!), but at the same time dumb enough to get herself killed. She's like the artmovie version of the stock horror film character, who's too stupid get the fuck out of the scary house when she's in trouble.

I did like C.O.G. very, very much though. (And I do like Le Carre. But I think Tailor of Panama's a much better -- if more conventional -- movie.)

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Sunday, 9 October 2005 21:37 (twenty years ago)

(And there's nothing "feeble and passive" about gardening!)

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Sunday, 9 October 2005 21:39 (twenty years ago)

Spy Who Came In From The Cold blows all the rest of these out of the water, but I suspect it is a far better book too.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 9 October 2005 21:41 (twenty years ago)

It's a fantastic book! Although if you know the end from the movie, I wouldn't bother with it so much. TTSS is also vg, though, if you haven't read it.

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Sunday, 9 October 2005 21:45 (twenty years ago)

I've not read it either. I've been meaning to go through the whole Smiley series. As I mentioned above the BBC versions of TTSS and Smiley's People with Guinness are just amazing.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 9 October 2005 21:52 (twenty years ago)

(Oh, also: Hi Alex!)

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Sunday, 9 October 2005 22:08 (twenty years ago)

The Honourable Schoolboy is the only Smiley one I've read, which was great. I was travelling through the South East Asian countries in which it's set as I read it, which was a bonus.

Anyone read Absolute Friends? I thought that was breathtakingly good, especially the ending.

chap who would dare to kill all the threads (chap), Sunday, 9 October 2005 22:11 (twenty years ago)

I also loved Tailor of Panama. It was unconventional, in a way.

400% Nice (nordicskilla), Sunday, 9 October 2005 22:14 (twenty years ago)

I guess. I wish it didn't end with a freeze frame, though!

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Sunday, 9 October 2005 22:15 (twenty years ago)

I will agree that "The Tailor of Panama" and "The Russia House" are superior.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 9 October 2005 22:29 (twenty years ago)

no WAY.

400% Nice (nordicskilla), Sunday, 9 October 2005 22:35 (twenty years ago)

This is still the best movie I've seen all year.
Also,in the credits I noticed that it said Hand-held Camera: Ralph Fiennes, so I'm wondering which shaky cam shots he did and which ones Meirelles did.
I don't know if the movie does end in a freeze-frame, because I'm not sure whether or not to count the credits sequence of Tessa walking through the market as the last scene. I would like it to be the last scene.

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Monday, 10 October 2005 14:03 (twenty years ago)

I assumed Ralph Fienes just did the shots of Justin filming Tess in the bath.

chap who would dare to kill all the threads (chap), Monday, 10 October 2005 14:07 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...
Saw this tonight. I was hugely dissapointed by the film. After reading this thread and all the reviews I was expecting something amazing. Fiennes, Weisz(she has got to be the most charming and captivating actress in Hollywood - have you seen her doing interviews?) and the cinematography made it worthwile though. Such a beautiful film. Pete Postlethwaite's part was too small! I love that man.

Lovelace (Lovelace), Sunday, 13 November 2005 03:29 (twenty years ago)

John le Carre novel in pointless film about fuck all shockah.

Le Marquis de Salade (noodle vague), Sunday, 13 November 2005 03:35 (twenty years ago)

I loved this movie.

Simon H. (Simon H.), Sunday, 13 November 2005 16:05 (twenty years ago)

haha I was just searching for this

I thought the film was phenomenal

and since when can ralph fiennes act like that?

cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 13 November 2005 16:12 (twenty years ago)

I feel uncomfortable talking about it as a film though...

cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 13 November 2005 16:16 (twenty years ago)

i had a big discussion with people about this: was Pete Postlethwaite's character supposed to be south african? because a south african I know thought it was and complained about his terrible accent. I got no such sense he was, in fact, I thought he was supposed to be dutch or something

kyle (akmonday), Sunday, 13 November 2005 16:34 (twenty years ago)

Just back from this. It was flawed, but ultimately very powerful and moving. It is the sort of film that could have been too worthy and simplistic about the situation in Africa, but Mereilles and the screewriter did a fine job.

John le Carre novel in pointless film about fuck all shockah.

-- Le Marquis de Salade (noodle_vagu...), November 13th, 2005.

WTF? Like Africa and AIDS and trade/colonialism are fuck all.

Stew (stew s), Sunday, 13 November 2005 18:17 (twenty years ago)

two months pass...
Saw this last night. Kind of ambivalent about it, but the main thing I thought about was the computers: WTF was going on with those?

OSX? Windows? WHICH GODDAMN YOU?!?!

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 14:10 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...
NEW YORK - The public has seen a lot of mama-to-be Rachel Weisz lately — first at the Golden Globes in a gold Donna Karan gown and then at the Oscars in a sleek black Narciso Rodriguez gown.

Now Weisz, who is seven months pregnant, is the face of Burberry's ad campaign for the new fragrance London. The ads were shot last fall.

The 35-year-old actress, who won an Oscar on Sunday for her role in "The Constant Gardener," is a fashion-industry favorite.

"I love beautiful things and beautiful fashion," Weisz told The Associated Press in a recent telephone interview. "I like clothes that are beautifully cut that aren't too fussy."

She often attends Rodriguez's show during New York Fashion Week, but it was Burberry, which shares Weisz's British heritage, that approached her about modeling.

"I'm British. I grew up with Burberry being the ultimate brand in chic, elegance and history. My granny, the chicest lady I ever knew, had a Burberry raincoat. Now it's a cool and edgy fashion house, too," Weisz told the AP. "I was thrilled to be asked (to model). There was no hesitation."

The fragrance is light and floral with a rich undertone. Weisz said she's particularly fond of perfumes with a sandalwood base.

Weisz said her sense of smell has been heightened by her pregnancy, but, so far, there's nothing that's a complete turnoff.

However, she is craving cheese.

gear (gear), Saturday, 11 March 2006 02:53 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...
gets better with weisz dead, but this was pretty lame. the sudan stuff (guys on horseback out of 'the living daylights') was particularly bad.

25 yr old undercover cop (Enrique), Thursday, 27 April 2006 14:04 (twenty years ago)


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