Proposed experiment to test ILE as a registered-users only board (an RFC i spose)

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I suggested on another thread:

1 that for a period of 8 weeks starting on a date not yet decided that we make ILE reg only.
2 during this period one of the minor boards (Shed Seven perhaps) will be renamed ILE2 (or something like that)
3 when the 8 weeks expire we re-open to non-reg users for at least 4 weeks
4 in that 4 weeks we debate whether to go back to reg only based on the experience
5 we either go back to non-reg users or do not bring this up again for a long time

after "a long time" we can go through the same process. which we do now anyway, but without the experimental period

Tom has suggested that the period of 8 weeks actually be all of September and October.

You should probably read the last half of remember when ILX was good? [note: we seem to be discussing the merits of making ILE registered-users only on this thead now --mod] before getting too hot about this (you will be repeating stuff already said, and will look dumm). nay sayers, yay sayers, proposed changes all up for consideration.

― Britain's Jauntiest Shepherd (Alan), Friday, 26 August 2005 11:02 (twenty years ago)

I've nothing new to say that I wouldn't have said on the linked thread. I'm all for this experiment, then we'd actually see what (if anyhthing) it does to the board rather than endlessly speculating about it.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 26 August 2005 11:08 (twenty years ago)

4 in that 4 weeks we debate whether to go back to reg only based on the experience

presumably this will be based on show of hands/majority rule? i don't expect people's views to change much after 8 weeks so the arguments for and against will surely be the same as they are now.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Friday, 26 August 2005 11:10 (twenty years ago)

Well, I suppose I have no objections to *trying* so long as 1) we can put ILE back the way it was and 2) other boards (ILM, Freud, etc.) are left the way that they are.

As they say in Finland, try everything once except incest and folkdancing... ;-)

― Luminiferous Aether (kate), Friday, 26 August 2005 11:13 (twenty years ago)

At the end of the experiment we can have a vote - simple majority.

And yes, THIS WOULD NOT AFFECT ANY OTHER BOARDS.

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 26 August 2005 11:16 (twenty years ago)

I assume that during those 8 weeks people, especially those who're against registration, should pay attention to whether or not ILE is different and in what way, and then base their opinion whether or not continue registration based on that observation. Of course it's possible that, no matter what happens, some people will still hold on to their previous opinion regardless of the experiment, but I guess that's only human. At the very least this experiment should end all the speculation though.

(x-post to Stevem)

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 26 August 2005 11:17 (twenty years ago)

i'm registering the logged_out username

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 26 August 2005 11:18 (twenty years ago)

It perhaps seems a little complex to be, but seeing as I have no better suggestion, I'll stfu.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 26 August 2005 11:25 (twenty years ago)

I approve of this. A couple of months is a good span as well - it allows for the kind of cyclical lulls and storms we get round here, and it'll be hopefully fairly evident whether or no there's been a difference.

The best thing about this thread is that evidently I've had the power to make ILE registered users only ALL THIS TIME and never noticed.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 26 August 2005 11:26 (twenty years ago)

AdminGod gives mortals freedom of moral choice --- it's up to them to work out how to use it, for good or for Eevil

― mark s (mark s), Friday, 26 August 2005 11:28 (twenty years ago)

Is the Amazing Randy (and variants thereof) registered? Registration would suck if he stopped posting.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Friday, 26 August 2005 11:28 (twenty years ago)

Oh, yeah what about Tom's suggestion that registered users could still post as "Logged Out", but in the case of abuse mods could find out who that Logged Out is? Is this possible to implement this before the test run, I think it was an important addition to the whole idea of having a registered-only board?

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 26 August 2005 11:29 (twenty years ago)

i just wish ILE was around back in 94 when i wrote my thesis on virtual communities, this would have been a perfect case study.

― idle hands got me nowhere (idle hands), Friday, 26 August 2005 11:29 (twenty years ago)

I for one await Andrew NF returning from Vietnam and going "what the... HEY!" and pulling the plug or something ;D

(kidding, I think this is a fine idea, in that I dont mind either way and it might help head spambots off at the pass)

― Trayce (trayce), Friday, 26 August 2005 11:30 (twenty years ago)

Why don't we create a new ILE2 board?

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 26 August 2005 11:30 (twenty years ago)

No need to create a new one, just use the Shed Seven!

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Friday, 26 August 2005 11:32 (twenty years ago)

I have to say I dont get the point of this ILE2 board. Whats it going to be for? Everyone talking about this here is registered already anyway.

― Trayce (trayce), Friday, 26 August 2005 11:32 (twenty years ago)

AdminGod won't let us create new boards at the moment

(isn't andrewNF back? he has posted recently)

(when Philip Greenspun wz still the prior Elder Deity we traced the outages to the fact that the server wz kept in his garage where his dog pissed on it a lot)

― mark s (mark s), Friday, 26 August 2005 11:33 (twenty years ago)

Is this possible to implement this before the test run, I think it was an important addition to the whole idea of having a registered-only board?

user IP lookup will identify them provided their IP is distinctive enough i.e. doesn't bring up a load of different posters sharing the same range.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Friday, 26 August 2005 11:34 (twenty years ago)

as i said on the other thread, i am 100% behind alan's proposal. also, i agree with everything tuomas has said so far, so if people can read his posts twice to give the impression of me heartily echoing them, that'd be good :)

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Friday, 26 August 2005 11:35 (twenty years ago)

NO FUCKING WAY, FUCK THIS.

the trolls arent bad, and isolating ourselves as a cute little elite will atrophy the boards--i hate this idea, loathe it.

the best of ilx is free and open discourse, debating and fighting in the open.

snobbish wankery, this plan...against the whole philospohy of the place. (ie the geezers manifesto)

im gone if this happens.

― anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 26 August 2005 11:35 (twenty years ago)

ILE2 (TBFKAILSS) placates those complaining that reg only ILE will suffer from lack of anon posters.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Friday, 26 August 2005 11:36 (twenty years ago)

couldn't we have a official ile LOGGED-OUT screen name which you could only use if you were actually REGISTERED/LOGGED-IN (but only MODs wd know who you were?)

― mark s (mark s), Friday, 26 August 2005 11:36 (twenty years ago)

I still don't see how reg only ILE isolates the board. Registering takes less than a minute.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Friday, 26 August 2005 11:37 (twenty years ago)

Assuming RFC doesn't stand for Rentucky fried chicken, I vote yay.

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 26 August 2005 11:37 (twenty years ago)

its symbolic, want to be part of ilx, well fill out this form and well get back to see if yr nifty enough.

― anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 26 August 2005 11:38 (twenty years ago)

Symbolic my ass. It's simple common sense.

What do you have against the good people of Rentucky, Mark?

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Friday, 26 August 2005 11:38 (twenty years ago)

anthony now go back and actually READ the proposal PROPERLY

― mark s (mark s), Friday, 26 August 2005 11:38 (twenty years ago)

Anthony - the point is:

1. It's temporary, just to see what happens
2. WE DON'T KNOW what effect it will have, which is why we're doing it.
3. Registration takes what 30seconds?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 26 August 2005 11:39 (twenty years ago)

SPAMBOTS HAVE RIGHTS TOO

― mark s (mark s), Friday, 26 August 2005 11:41 (twenty years ago)

Anthony that's bullshit and you know it, registration is automated, there's no approval process.

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 26 August 2005 11:41 (twenty years ago)

the trolls arent bad

i think in yesterday's case, with Marcello, they certainly were bad. as they were with the Liz thread. there are countless examples of ugliness caused by anon trolls (ugliness caused by logged in regulars is a separate issue). people are sick of it and that's fair enough.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Friday, 26 August 2005 11:42 (twenty years ago)

(All the people complaining are actually logged in. I think I was the last of the long-term regulars to actually hold out and refuse to log in and never even got a login name - until some other "Kate" started posting on the DAVE MATTHEWS thread with my name. I registered pretty quickly after that.)

― Luminiferous Aether (kate), Friday, 26 August 2005 11:44 (twenty years ago)

I support this 100%. Anthony, if people want to participate it's pretty simple to say "log in" to post. They can still read. A lot of my friends post on a message board that's locked down to subscribers even to reading only, but I don't care!

― Lucretia My Reflection (Lucretia My Reflection), Friday, 26 August 2005 11:47 (twenty years ago)

i havent seen marcello and i havent seen liz. (marcello can hold his own, and the liz stuff was delting which suggests that the system is regulating itself rather well.)

tom, the simple act of requring regresitry places one step impeding access to discourse, whats next.

i doubt v. much this will stay temporary.

― anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 26 August 2005 11:50 (twenty years ago)

kate yr after-the-fact attempts to distance yrself from SPONTANEOUS DIRTYDRONEROCK DAVELOVE ENTHUSIASM have FOOLED NO ONE

― mark s (mark s), Friday, 26 August 2005 11:51 (twenty years ago)

and i dont even know how i got logged in

― anthony easton, Friday, 26 August 2005 11:52 (twenty years ago)

Can I be really stupid - sorry, haven't followed much since I discovered the gender of my baby (heheh) - but can I use my login to the registered board or do we have re-register?!?

― nathalie's pocket revolution (stevie nixed), Friday, 26 August 2005 11:53 (twenty years ago)

tom, the simple act of requring regresitry places one step impeding access to discourse, whats next.

You are being ridiculously disengenuous here, Anthony. I'm not impressed.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 26 August 2005 11:54 (twenty years ago)

you're not logged in, anthony, it would appear.

tom, the simple act of requring regresitry places one step impeding access to discourse, whats next.

OH, ARMAGEDDON, EVIDENTLY.

and the liz stuff was delting which suggests that the system is regulating itself rather well

it upset an awful lot of people and nothing was gained from it. it caused about four different people to post threads on the Mod Request board even tho it was spotted straight away. why would you want people to tolerate this sort of thing because of some bogus notion of free speech being paramount on something as trivial (ultimately) as a public msg board?

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Friday, 26 August 2005 11:55 (twenty years ago)

Yes, it places one step impeding access to discourse. That's not what you said though, you implied people screen registration, which is a lie.

If people vote against it it will be temporary, if people vote in favour it won't. Simple as that.

Nathalie - you can use your current login, nobody has to re-register.

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 26 August 2005 11:55 (twenty years ago)

im not being disengenous at all, i actually believe that by only making it a registered board, it may actually intimadate people, why do you think bugmenot exists ned?

i didnt mean at all that mods screen, if i implied that im sorry.

the weird thing is that the cool kids have already decided this months ago, and they have found a way to implement it under a seemingly democratic structure.

if you want to, go ahead.
i wont be here.

― anthony, Friday, 26 August 2005 11:57 (twenty years ago)

"and i dont even know how i got logged in "

i think this somewhat demolishes yr argument anthony

― mark s (mark s), Friday, 26 August 2005 11:57 (twenty years ago)

of course it does but how come i feel like arguments against this dont matter.

can someone explain exactly what happened to liz.

― anthony, Friday, 26 August 2005 12:00 (twenty years ago)

That's why this is an experiment Anthony to see IF people are intimidated by registration. I personally doubt they will be, its not an especially onerous process. But if they are, it''ll be reversed (and will be after two months anyway).

(xpost... ummm)

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 26 August 2005 12:00 (twenty years ago)

to be honest i don't think register only would stop the nastiness. but i don't mind either way!! i'm already logged in innit.

i will miss the stupid googlers though :( oh well i'm not a mod innit.

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 26 August 2005 12:01 (twenty years ago)

why are the feelings of people intimidated by registration more important than the feelings of the numerous people i've spoken to who have been turned off these boards because of the amount of inane behaviour by anon trolls?

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Friday, 26 August 2005 12:04 (twenty years ago)

the weird thing is that the cool kids have already decided this months ago, and they have found a way to implement it under a seemingly democratic structure.

Are you claiming that, even if the promised vote would be against an registered-only board, the admins would still go on with it? I think a lot more people than you (me included) would leave the board then. I think the only scenario where the "cool kids" would change the board without asking for anyone's opinion would be if the amount of spam got intolerable, and that I think is fair enough.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 26 August 2005 12:04 (twenty years ago)

Most arguments against (and for!) are based on speculation as to what will happen. There's an easy way to test said arguments, since the change is entirely reversible. I haven't read any convincing arguments against trying it.

xpost the best googlers are on ILM anyway.

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 26 August 2005 12:04 (twenty years ago)

i will miss the stupid googlers though

hey if they're that stupid they probably will register still, just to make their hilarious comments.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Friday, 26 August 2005 12:05 (twenty years ago)

Skipping 780 messages at this point... Click here if you want to load them all.

I would care. It would break my heart.
Poor widdle sparrows.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Thursday, 23 March 2006 02:03 (twenty years ago)

I think we should just start a "I Love Discussing Changes To ILX That Would Make it Closer To My Personal Ideal, Despite My Internal Gnawing Realization That It Will Never Happen." board. Which I could then happily ignore.

If you wish, you can make this new board Reg-Only.

― John Justen (johnjusten), Thursday, 23 March 2006 02:11 (twenty years ago)

Oh Lord. Some poor bastards out there have this thread set for email notification. May God have mercy on your inboxes.

― John Justen (johnjusten), Thursday, 23 March 2006 02:13 (twenty years ago)

Oh man, this was precious. There's like a handful of dorkus malorkii here with their panties in a knot.

Nobody gives a shit about your ideal. Your opinion isn't as important as you think.

Believe it... or not!

― Ripley's, Thursday, 23 March 2006 02:33 (twenty years ago)

You're like a thousand sparrows locked in a safe, you better believe that there's a lot of squawking and shitting going on inside, but from the outside, it doesn't matter, noone gives a shit.

It seems to get you pretty worked up, Zen Master Mike!

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Thursday, 23 March 2006 03:28 (twenty years ago)

Alan, are thread/message deletes final or are they just marked in the DB as deleted? It'd be nice to be able to see deleted stuff with showall on.

well except that would eliminate the whole goddamn point of deletion, but that aside..

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 23 March 2006 04:59 (twenty years ago)

Eeeh, look, it doesn't get me all that riled - it's more the frequency with which this old chestnut gets brought up that is a mild irritant. We all know it's going to end up in a shitfight, so why even bother?

Ignore those who annoy you, enjoy the bits that correspond with your interests, love your neighbour!

― Mike Stuchbery (Mike Stuchbery), Thursday, 23 March 2006 05:41 (twenty years ago)

Ignore those who annoy you, enjoy the bits that correspond with your interests, love your neighbour!

Y'all are going to try this'experiment' and the board is going to shimmer and disappear from it's moorings here and appear momentarily on a server in Uganda, before returning, on fire with every thread on board twisted and warped in hideous alien manners.
Experiments are always a bad idea.

-- Mike Stuchbery (michael.stuchber...), August 27th, 2005.

Obscure reference, but I made myself laugh.

What's with all the talk of indentify theft and spamming. I'm usually lurking here for a couple of hours each day - free periods and such when I'm not teaching - and I see none of this.

― Mike Stuchbery (Mike Stuchbery), Thursday, 23 March 2006 05:49 (twenty years ago)

Jon I think maybe the main thing you haven't considered with a lot of things is that everyone else in the world is not you.

Ally is hilarious!!!

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 23 March 2006 05:50 (twenty years ago)

Well, I meant nice for ADMINS to be able to.

xpost to Sterling

― R.I.P. West Village Bird Shaman ]-`: (ex machina), Thursday, 23 March 2006 06:04 (twenty years ago)

Ally and Tombot criticizing me for being a bit dickish is priceless....

― R.I.P. West Village Bird Shaman ]-`: (ex machina), Thursday, 23 March 2006 06:04 (twenty years ago)

What's with all the talk of indentify theft and spamming.

Read the admin log. Look at the amt of shit people have to delete/change.

― Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 23 March 2006 06:08 (twenty years ago)

I don't see any identity theft just spamming. Why not give regular mods the ability to lock a poster's ip out for 15 minutes?

― R.I.P. West Village Bird Shaman ]-`: (ex machina), Thursday, 23 March 2006 06:11 (twenty years ago)

If Andrew, Alan, Noodles & the ILE mods don't see a reason to do it then why bother arguing. At any rate the coding required to implement a "type the word you see in the box" feature so that spambots (I'm sorry, "proxy flooders") is probably not worth it - yet.

I can't actually see how ILE could be made worse by the implementation of this feature. One dude who bought a surplus Rockafire Explosion setup vs. Nude Spock and a host of spammers. Eventually the tide will turn in favor of registration, ILE can't remain a hippie commune free love backwater forever.

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Thursday, 23 March 2006 15:07 (twenty years ago)

http://history.acusd.edu/gen/WW2Timeline/images/28-1125a.gif

― R.I.P. West Village Bird Shaman ]-`: (ex machina), Thursday, 23 March 2006 15:17 (twenty years ago)

actually i do SEE a reason for it, but it's not my call. reg only is something that could aid the workload of the mods/admins, and would effect the culture/experience of being a poster on the board. But if a vote was called for it on ILE/M i'd still say no.

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Thursday, 23 March 2006 15:25 (twenty years ago)

Spammers will keep getting in unless we get one of those "type the number/letter sequence in the box" things. Nude spockers will still get in as long as yahoo gives out free e-mail addresses.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 23 March 2006 17:51 (twenty years ago)

http://www.mrsite.co.uk/gallerypic.asp?gallerytitle=%27Drunken+Bakers%27&gallerydesc=Characters+published+semi%2Dregularly+in+Viz%2E+Written+by+Barney+Farmer+%26+illustrated+by+Lee+Healey%2E+&url=http://www.leehealey.com/USERIMAGES/thumb_bakersCHRIS%2Ejpg

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 23 March 2006 17:58 (twenty years ago)

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2006/03/10/arts/gall.slideone.jpg

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 23 March 2006 17:58 (twenty years ago)

Spammers will keep getting in unless we get one of those "type the number/letter sequence in the box" thing.

Many spammers employ people in the third world who do this all day.

Are you suggesting we should cap registering new accounts also? ;)

― R.I.P. West Village Bird Shaman ]-`: (ex machina), Thursday, 23 March 2006 18:20 (twenty years ago)

where can I find one of those jobs?

― Miss Misery xox (MissMiseryTX), Thursday, 23 March 2006 18:21 (twenty years ago)

NOT A BAD IDEA JW

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 23 March 2006 18:22 (twenty years ago)

Anyway, Alan and the devs might do well to read this:

http://www.kahunaburger.com/index.php?p=191

I'm sure there's a PHP class that can do open proxy tests. Keep the results for an IP in memcache. (Also, I know it would be a huge PITA, but don't you think caching sql query results in memcache would help things?)

― R.I.P. West Village Bird Shaman ]-`: (ex machina), Thursday, 23 March 2006 18:24 (twenty years ago)

But, blounty m'boy, just less than a year ago you were fighting to keep ILX free!! My what a turncoat you've become.

― j blount2, Thursday, 23 March 2006 18:25 (twenty years ago)

where can I find one of those jobs?

Amazon has actually created an API for doing menial tasks that computers can't do! Seems like it would be useful for fucking captchas on a mass scale. ;)

― R.I.P. West Village Bird Shaman ]-`: (ex machina), Thursday, 23 March 2006 18:26 (twenty years ago)

Do you have something in your eye, Jon?

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 23 March 2006 18:42 (twenty years ago)

Same thing on his toes. A twinkle.

― Funny Jokemaker, Thursday, 23 March 2006 18:44 (twenty years ago)

I love that ILE still has people who come onto threads just to call everyone else losers.

Anyway, hi guys!

A) This is really pretty hardly a big deal, it occurred to me that maybe it was worth a discussion. APPARENTLY NOT.
B) It was more of a "OK must really suck that the mods have to delete 40 threads or go through skimming through faked-regular posts deleting shit, what crap, especially with certain people freaking out every time the mods, like, moderate something they don't like, wouldn't it be easier...?" idea. I mean it'd seem like they already have enough on their hands with actually registered regulars-type people calling them out as brownshirts or getting their periods and deciding to follow around other regs and harrass them for a week or two at a time or other-mods-flaking-out-and-doing-ill-advised-shit situations etc etc. I mean that's basically the reason why everyone else in the world IS reg only, because--surprise--people be batshit insane whether they register or not, just makes it easier to nip things in the bud this way.
C) the reason everyone hates /. is because of /. posters and not its moderation system or anything like that.

― Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Thursday, 23 March 2006 19:08 (twenty years ago)

C) the reason everyone hates /. is because of /. posters and not its moderation system or anything like that.

OTM. I love hearing some CS undergrad tell the world their opinion of Sun/whatever's big iron when all their experience is from installing Linux on their old Dell. Also, tired jokes

― R.I.P. West Village Bird Shaman ]-`: (ex machina), Thursday, 23 March 2006 19:11 (twenty years ago)

D) I care way too much about something I pretend not to really care about at all, basically.

― Allyzay Rofflesbreger, Thursday, 23 March 2006 19:11 (twenty years ago)

I know. It's like Something Awful but with people pretending they know what they're doing in some scientific manner, not just posting bad photoshops involving Darth Vader.

― Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Thursday, 23 March 2006 19:12 (twenty years ago)

further factioning and balkanizing of the board would be a good idea too - let's go multiverse!!!!!!!

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 23 March 2006 19:21 (twenty years ago)

T/S:

http://www.moviepoopshoot.com/comics101/images/apr23/fiveearthsremain.jpg

vs.

http://www.whom.co.uk/gfx/secretwars.jpg

― R.I.P. West Village Bird Shaman ]-`: (ex machina), Thursday, 23 March 2006 19:27 (twenty years ago)

THAT'S NOT EVEN A QUESTION

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/8a/Secretwar8.jpg/389px-Secretwar8.jpg

― Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Thursday, 23 March 2006 19:29 (twenty years ago)

sparkle motion venom

― Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Thursday, 23 March 2006 19:29 (twenty years ago)

I KEEP LOOKING FOR A CAMEL TOE

― R.I.P. West Village Bird Shaman ]-`: (ex machina), Thursday, 23 March 2006 19:30 (twenty years ago)

O RLY?

― Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Thursday, 23 March 2006 19:31 (twenty years ago)

IF IT IS SECRET WARS, DOES THAT MAKE TOM REED RICHARDS, ETC

― R.I.P. West Village Bird Shaman ]-`: (ex machina), Thursday, 23 March 2006 19:31 (twenty years ago)

does that make the anonymous troll Galactus?

― Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Thursday, 23 March 2006 19:43 (twenty years ago)

Beyonderer. Er.

― "Troll", Thursday, 23 March 2006 19:44 (twenty years ago)

Tom Jones, more like.

― kingfish ubermensch dishwasher sundae (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 23 March 2006 19:47 (twenty years ago)

I'm sorry but Beyonder was already taken by Aaron Hz. ;_;

― Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Thursday, 23 March 2006 19:47 (twenty years ago)

Beyonder
Hailing from another universe, the Beyonder traveled to Earth through a temporary interdimensional wormhole. He has the ability to create and destroy matter as he chooses and restore to life any being he desires. Only through the combined efforts of most of Earth's heroes was he sent to another dimension.

yeup that sounds like meeee!

― Beyonder, Thursday, 23 March 2006 19:47 (twenty years ago)

I'm sorry but Beyonder was already taken by Aaron Hz. ;_;

O RLY?

Does he have one of these?

http://www.infofocus.ca/images/beyonder.jpg

― Anonymoose, Thursday, 23 March 2006 19:49 (twenty years ago)

I am clearly Dr. Doom.

xpost LOLZ

― R.I.P. West Village Bird Shaman ]-`: (ex machina), Thursday, 23 March 2006 19:50 (twenty years ago)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/da/She_hulk_7_cover.jpg

note: I do not claim She-Hulk.

― Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Thursday, 23 March 2006 19:53 (twenty years ago)

Did that damn image show up or what?

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e33/rolocoaster/beyonder.jpg

― Proof of Beyondrance, Thursday, 23 March 2006 19:54 (twenty years ago)

She-Hulk = hot female NYC lawyer. If only ILX still had one of those around.

Ally, we all know who you are if we are going into superhero worlds.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 23 March 2006 23:43 (twenty years ago)

Is that the Heavy Metal chick flying above the Supreme Court? And if so, why?

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 23 March 2006 23:48 (twenty years ago)

listen, there are a lot of whys in that picture, just don't question.

Martin, unfortunately Harley Quinn was not featured in the Secret Wars :\

― Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Friday, 24 March 2006 00:19 (twenty years ago)

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