Australian politician fails to disprove 'stupid drunk male' stereotype

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Even John Howard couldn't defend him. But I'm sure the ILX contingent down there can say more...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 29 August 2005 04:35 (twenty years ago)

Very typical behaviour of many Australian men.

― Oh Lord, My God, is there no help for the widow's son? / Kate (papa november), Monday, 29 August 2005 04:41 (twenty years ago)

yeah, but he apologized and stepped down.

bigger man than most american blowhard conservative politicos.

― kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 29 August 2005 04:42 (twenty years ago)

He's just an idiot. Same with his counterpart Robert Doyle in Victoria. Although Doyle disperses his idiocy over about a dozen laughable comments each week rather than blowing it all on one big sackable offence.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 29 August 2005 04:48 (twenty years ago)

I read that headline as "NSFW politician quits after slur."

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Monday, 29 August 2005 04:49 (twenty years ago)

Brogden went down real quick, I expected this to drag on for weeks, purely because these kind of comments I hear so often.

― Mike Stuchbery (Mike Stuchbery), Monday, 29 August 2005 04:51 (twenty years ago)

"The comments I made were absolutely and completely inappropriate. They are not true and I apologise for them fulsomely and genuinely," he said.

Not many people who use the word 'fulsome really know the meaning of the word do they? It's a bit like 'obtuse'.

― moley (moley), Monday, 29 August 2005 04:53 (twenty years ago)

I'm surprised he didn't step down last week actually - it may be a stock-standard racist slur but that's almost precisely the point: even the more objectionable Lib politicians tend to know that they have to code such sentiments in confusing politico-speak i.e. random jingoism (see Brendan Nelson, Peter Costello etc. of late) rather than in shockingly straightforward and utterly superfluous ad hominem attacks on family members etc.

Actually the superfluousness is kinda key here: the fact that there's no political mileage to be gained makes it seem so much more of a kamikaze act, such that it would seem odd if he tried to stay on.

x-post fulsome and obtuse are the aussie equivs of behoves!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 29 August 2005 04:56 (twenty years ago)

It behoves us all to be less obtuse in our use of the word fulsome.

― moley (moley), Monday, 29 August 2005 04:57 (twenty years ago)

Indubitably.

I totally missed all this, thats what I get for doing the night shift and missing the news I guess!

― Trayce (trayce), Monday, 29 August 2005 05:04 (twenty years ago)

careful col, you'll get drafted by the liberals with a tongue like that.

― haitch online poker (haitch), Monday, 29 August 2005 05:10 (twenty years ago)

"ILX moley in shock canberra push"

― haitch online poker (haitch), Monday, 29 August 2005 05:11 (twenty years ago)

Usage Note: Fulsome is often used to mean “offensively flattering or insincere.” But the word is also used, particularly in the expression fulsome praise, to mean simply “abundant,” without any implication of excess or insincerity. This usage is etymologically justified but may invite misunderstandings in contexts in which a deprecatory interpretation could be made. The sentence I offer you my most fulsome apologies may raise an eyebrow, where the use of an adjective like full or abundant would leave no room for doubt as to the sincerity of the speaker's intentions.

― gear (gear), Monday, 29 August 2005 05:11 (twenty years ago)

I knew someone would trump my smartypants post. Get your gear off, gear!

― moley (moley), Monday, 29 August 2005 05:15 (twenty years ago)

robble

― gear (gear), Monday, 29 August 2005 05:16 (twenty years ago)

I must admit I didnt know of fulsome's mean undertone of usage.

― Trayce (trayce), Monday, 29 August 2005 05:20 (twenty years ago)

Get your gear off, gear!

"mole for PM campaign in crisis after lewd comments scandal"

― haitch online poker (haitch), Monday, 29 August 2005 05:25 (twenty years ago)

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― gear (gear), Monday, 29 August 2005 05:31 (twenty years ago)

It's amazing. He was probably the only Liberal state leader in the country who possibly maybe almost might have won an election, and now this! I've only lived in NSW for 8 months and even I think Labor are on the nose.

But Brogden, always hated his guts, anyway. Good riddance to bad rubbish. Helena Carr is, from all reports (i.e. a guy I know who used to drive parliamentary cars and such) a lovely woman.

― edward o (edwardo), Monday, 29 August 2005 05:51 (twenty years ago)

As an interesting (and maybe obvious) adjunct to this, I am reminded of the story my grandad told me once.. he has for many years done a lot of work for Rotary, got an order of Aus medal for it etc, and in the charity work he's done he's attended the Australia Club in Canberra (one of those exclusive powerful men's do's) quite often. Once he made a comment that of all the revolting behaviour he's seen, it was there - rich and powerful men, getting arsefaced, and groping the female wait staff at the Club, leering at them and being complete wankers. Pollies and CEOs and stuff.

I should be suprised but I'm not really.

― Trayce (trayce), Monday, 29 August 2005 06:33 (twenty years ago)

But some of his best friends are mail-order brides! The guy just needs a better spin-meister.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Monday, 29 August 2005 13:13 (twenty years ago)

In my hometown of Akron, OH the mayor is in some hot water because he got into it with a valet parking guy (he wanted to park his own car, the guy wouldn't let him), screamed obscenities at him and eventually said "i fucking own this town." he then proceeded to get the valet guy fired.

the valet guy fought back, told the press and now everyone is calling for the mayor to resign because 1) he got a good family man fired and is taking food out of the mouths of his babies and 2) he's a total dick. the mayor decided to forego one day's pay, in order to show that he's sorry. this resulted in calling attention to the fact that this guy makes $500 a day. people got even MORE angry.

i don't live there anymore, but it sounds exciting. i don't think he has any inclination to step down though, since he has been in office for almost 20 years, if memory serves. i guess this story has no racial slurs, but lots of pompous behavior.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 29 August 2005 13:22 (twenty years ago)

Brogden attempted suicide last night.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/nsw-libs-pause-after-brogdens-suicide-bid/2005/08/31/1125302594749.html

Seems some more damaging media chicanery was about to come out about him, lord only knows if it was even relevant stuff. He stabbed himself. He's in hospital.

― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 23:37 (twenty years ago)

Fucking Hell.

― Oh Lord, My God, is there no help for the widow's son? / Kate (papa november), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 23:39 (twenty years ago)

The man may well have been a bit of a git (I dont know TBH) but the media really do stink, sometimes.

― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 23:40 (twenty years ago)

he must have lost a fair bit of blood, as he was unconscious when they found him. but he's apparently being released tomorrow. i'm confused about whether i feel sorry for him or if such a colossal display of stupidity is his fault or if he really was the victim of the hard right of the nsw liberal party, or even if he was just too young and inexperienced to be leading the opposition in australia's most populous state. i'd say their hopes of winning in 2007 are pretty well down the toilet now though. barry o'farrel has pulled out, though they won't elect a leader till later in the week now anyways. a sad state of affairs for all concerned, seeing as the alp is foundering a bit itself and personally i think it would benefit on a policy-basis from a stronger opposition.

― gem (trisk), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 23:41 (twenty years ago)

to be fair trayce i don't know that it can be all put down to the media - they kept the story quiet for a month. it is unclear whether the pressure for it to come out was sourced at the daily tele or within the liberal party itself - certainly brogden himself is blaming the leader of federal young libs to some extent.

― gem (trisk), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 23:42 (twenty years ago)

I found Brogden a bit odious, but at least he was a bit of a moderate, and politically, I didn't have too much of a problem with him, and 3 years of the Liberals in NSW wouldn't have been so bad - Iemma, iuck. Brogden was the only Liberal leader of any ability in the country (actually, Lawrence Springborg's a nice bloke, but he's a Nat) and pretty much any chance at holding Labor to accountability is gone.

Factions, factions, factions, what are they good for? It is that Brogden was from the Lib left wing and the young lib guy is from the right, that's the thing, right gem?

― edward o (edwardo), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 00:10 (twenty years ago)

Is it just me, or is our whole country seriously in need of some actual strong clear leadership we're sorely lacking? Seems both sides of the fence are floundering at both state and federal level, and only little Johnny is barreling forth, wrecking everything as he goes.

Maybe this is why I rarely bother keeping up with politics. It all smells of the same shit to me.

― Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 00:15 (twenty years ago)

is there ANYTHING worse than young liberals??

― haitch online poker (haitch), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 00:16 (twenty years ago)

OLD ONES OBVIOUSLY. Oh wait.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 00:18 (twenty years ago)

Mikey to thread, his lady wrote an interesting post on LJ about how Farrago had to be hand-distributed this week because after the Young Libs got accused of trashing the womens room at Melb Uni, they started stealing all the copies of Farrago?!

― Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 00:18 (twenty years ago)

yep that's it. the young lib guy is well right, a staffer for david hawkes i think. brogden was quite the progressive for the libs, i thought it was great to see someone from the left of the party getting a leadership role - pretty unusual, leaders are usually centre or right. but that meant he was always going to face considerable opposition within his own party i guess.

however, no matter what the factional issues were, there was simply no excuse for his behaviour at that AHA function. and while i don't know that the media were to blame for the initial furore, certainly they may be leaping on the bandwagon now with later reports of his personality/inappropriate behaviour to women. later reports remain 'from an anonymous source' though, while the earlier reports were confirmed by named journalists.

― gem (trisk), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 00:19 (twenty years ago)

I think the young liberals are under the thrall of one Tony Abbott, aka The Commander of the Wombs aka the Member for Shopping-List Catholicism.

― edward o (edwardo), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 00:19 (twenty years ago)

ahahaha you're a corker edward

young libs are definitely the most frightening of the incredibly fucking scary law students at my uni. i got into an argument with one in a con law tut last week over her vilification of drug users and how they are the ROOT OF ALL EVIL dum dum dummmmm. lucky there are a fair few lefty law students too.

― gem (trisk), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 00:22 (twenty years ago)

Sex before marriage: YES!
Abortions: NO.

I AM TONY ABBOTT! My mother, a staunch Labor voter except during the Whitlam years, admires him. She's a shopping-list Catholic too.

― edward o (edwardo), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 00:23 (twenty years ago)

god, I'd love to go one-on-one with him armed with a claw hammer.

― haitch online poker (haitch), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 00:24 (twenty years ago)

also I will always believe the fantastic abbott & costello story from that bob ellis book. they are both so slimy, you KNOW it's the truth.

― haitch online poker (haitch), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 00:26 (twenty years ago)

A friend of mine is convinced that Tony Abbott basically drooled all the way through his appearances debating Julia Gillard because the adversarial nature of their dealings has caused him to get a MASSIVE horn for her.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend; get well soon J-Bro, I guess.

x-post WATCH OUT FOR FALLING LAWSUITS HAITCH.

― edward o (edwardo), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 00:26 (twenty years ago)

yeah it's funny how the catholics admire him! he's not only a 'bad' catholic but also he tells fibs a lot and gets caught out (usually by tony jones) and then stutters along trying to dig his foot out of his mouth. i think catholics think he's some kind of underdog because he's a mick AND in the libs? my mum, also catholic, likes him too.

― gem (trisk), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 00:27 (twenty years ago)

such a shame that the ILX server is based in australia, ed.

― haitch online poker (haitch), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 00:49 (twenty years ago)

And all of this right-badmouthing is probably coming from COMMUNIST INSTITUTIONS like LIBRARIES and UNIVERSITIES and such --> THEY ARE EVIL AND MUST BE PRIVATISED.

― edward o (edwardo), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 00:56 (twenty years ago)

correct ed! and don't you think someone should cancel any kind of budding union movement within those pinky hotbeds of socialism POST HASTE?

― gem (trisk), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 00:58 (twenty years ago)

Oh you criminals. I'm-a turning you all in.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 00:58 (twenty years ago)

we had a bit of a roffle here at work when the "issue" of "postmodern teaching methods" blew up last week.

― haitch online poker (haitch), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 01:00 (twenty years ago)

Actually, this is going off on a tangent, but "TURNING YOU ALL IN", right.... If I have had some dealings with someone recently, googled them and found out they are an extremist holocaust denier and such, should I be informing ASIO, and such?

― edward o (edwardo), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 01:01 (twenty years ago)

if they are making such denials publicly i imagine asio already has a file on them. has this come to light because of that neo-nazi chap that got knocked back for a visa last week? or do you just want an excuse to see if the peopel working at asio really look like that chick on alias?

― gem (trisk), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 01:03 (twenty years ago)

A little from column A, a little from column B...

Just got off the phone to Da Boss, who's back from a month overseas. She heard about the mail-order bride thing, but I just told her about the attempted suicide.

"Hmm. He can't even do that properly.".

I laughed. How awful of me.

― edward o (edwardo), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 01:07 (twenty years ago)

What's the protocol for telling ASIO about this sort of thing? Mail? Fax, ooh, I've been looking for an excuse to fax SOMETHING for ever... SECRET ENCRYPTED SUBMISSION ON THE INTRANOT?

― edward o (edwardo), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 01:08 (twenty years ago)

do you just want an excuse to see if the peopel working at asio really look like that chick on alias?

SO busted.

― haitch online poker (haitch), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 01:16 (twenty years ago)

by all accounts asio is a haven for nerds so i reckon they would love it if you secretly encrypted your missive! fax is kinda old school though, retro-chic maybe. also when we have to transfer cabinet docs between offices we usually do it by fax so maybe that is the correct answer! i've always wondered if hte risk of getting the wrong number is really outweighed by the risk of electronic forwards. yeah i guess it is.

― gem (trisk), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 01:17 (twenty years ago)

I'd love to work at ASIO. I'm a nerd, and unassuming looking. But I think you need to be able to drive :(

― edward o (edwardo), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 01:38 (twenty years ago)

a friend of mine went through the recruitment process for asio's grad program a couple of years ago, it was a multiple-day camp sort of affair involving a lot of group exercise type things. he said the other candidates appeared to be scarily unbalanced but also mostly genius-like. he knocked the job back though, he felt he was too normal to fit in. but i'm sure they have a need for unassuming spies on bicycles edward!

― gem (trisk), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 01:41 (twenty years ago)

I was interviewed by ASIO, cos I was lined up to work for Defence! Verrry interesting interview. Which ahem I'm not ever supposed to say I've had of course ;)

In the end I ended up at Foreign Affairs instead but that be cool, I got top secret clearance at one point :D

― someone (trayce), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 01:49 (twenty years ago)

I keep planning to buy a bicycle, but I never do! I quite like the idea of zapping around the quiet streets of suburban Wollongong on a bike, STALKING MY PREY, waiting for them to slip up and then reporting them for unsavoury, unaustralian activities.

― edward o (edwardo), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 02:04 (twenty years ago)

haha for some reason i can't picture there being that many unaustralian types in suburban wollongong? maybe a few stray vegetarians i guess

― gem (trisk), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 02:10 (twenty years ago)

Some of my fondest childhood memories are of Woollongong.

― Oh Lord, My God, is there no help for the widow's son? / Kate (papa november), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 02:13 (twenty years ago)

i don't even know where it is. my own lack of understanding of the east coast of australia makes me feel ashamed a lot of the time.

― gem (trisk), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 02:13 (twenty years ago)

Well, that's good, gem, that they're all savoury, because I'm a coward! It's about 80km south of Sydney.

― edward o (edwardo), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 02:14 (twenty years ago)

Don't fret Gem, I don't know shit about W.A.

― Oh Lord, My God, is there no help for the widow's son? / Kate (papa november), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 02:18 (twenty years ago)

Ive been to the 'gong once, in year 12 - we went to some art gallery nearby to the Grace Bros/shopping mall thingy, for a HSC art exhibition.

― Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 02:20 (twenty years ago)

YOOOOOU RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANG?

Yeah, Caitlin's been in on a lot of this stuff. Seems one of the Farrago editors was working late one night when he heard noises coming from the direction of the Women's Room. Turns out that a fucknob called JULIAN BARANDSE, known associate of young lib firebrands MIRANDA AIREY-BRANSON, ALEX LEW and ROAN D'SOUZA - dudes who have caused quite a bit of shit lately (Google me you fucking cunts, I don't care, sue away!) was trashing the room. The editor told them to come with them to security, they told him to get fucked and made his escape.

Farrago broke the story, the Young Libs threatened to steal and destroy every copy, hence the paid volunteers handing it out.

If I meet any of those named one day, there WILL be violence. No joke, there is a lot of bad blood between them and a lot of good friends.

― Mike Stuchbery (Mike Stuchbery), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 02:27 (twenty years ago)

oh yeah are they the ones that there was a kerfuffle over with andrew bolt's column a while ago? i honestly have a bit of trouble comprehending how uni students can be into young libs politics. i'd like to think it's just ignorance. but i have my doubts.

― gem (trisk), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 02:30 (twenty years ago)

wasn't one of them pretending to be a lawyer and threatening people or some such?

― gem (trisk), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 02:32 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, Alex Lew. He was threatening all the blogs giving Miranda shit, giving a qualification that he didn't really had. One of daddy's friends sat him down and had a quiet word with him and he dropped the matter quick smart.

― Mike Stuchbery (Mike Stuchbery), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 02:34 (twenty years ago)

Everybody else, google 'Pandagate' for the sorry tale of MIRANDA AIREY-BRANSON, clueless conservative bint.

― Mike Stuchbery (Mike Stuchbery), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 02:35 (twenty years ago)

i'd like to think it's just ignorance.

surely it's also to do with the massive amounts of ~~COCAINE~~ ego they possess.

― haitch online poker (haitch), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 02:36 (twenty years ago)

yes that seems to be it. also i think that ego is properly described as utterly impenetrable. some of the conversations i've heard around the law school about the VSU debate beggar belief. i've had to learn to just keep my mouth shut.

― gem (trisk), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 02:37 (twenty years ago)

I can't even talk about them without completely losing my cool. There's a couple of them who hate me because I was once featured looking extremely angry at a VSU rally that Channel 7 covered.

― Mike Stuchbery (Mike Stuchbery), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 02:41 (twenty years ago)

they had a pic of the farrago editors in the age on saturday. those girls are cuet! I will always side with hott leftys over "horsey girl" young liberals, and I'm sure the wider public feel the same way.

― haitch online poker (haitch), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 02:46 (twenty years ago)

...an' my Caitlin writes the funny horoscopes and does reviews and all kind of ace stuff so you should read it even if you ain't a unimelb hawthorn livin' supreshoppin' yuppie scumbag.

― Mike Stuchbery (Mike Stuchbery), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 02:51 (twenty years ago)

This is goddamn OUTRAGEOUS!

― Mike Stuchbery (Mike Stuchbery), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 02:53 (twenty years ago)

One MP said the Young Liberal Movement was being "infiltrated by far-right zealots".

"infiltrated"

― haitch online poker (haitch), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 02:58 (twenty years ago)

miranda airey-branson is such a young libs cliche it's hard to believe she's even a real person

― gem (trisk), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 03:04 (twenty years ago)

It was funny when she sicced her law student boyfriend onto them and then Bolt got involved and was roundly PWNT.

― Mike Stuchbery (Mike Stuchbery), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 03:06 (twenty years ago)

I like the way it says 'I am woman, hear me roar' on that far wall.

― moley (moley), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 03:08 (twenty years ago)

xpost - yeah that was amusing actually, i think that's how i came to know about it - crikey maybe?

it'd be alright if they were all in a little nitwit playpen where they couldn't affect anyone else - i'd just brush it off and be content that they all deserve each other. but they seem to be some kind of early indicator of the direction of politics in australia.

― gem (trisk), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 03:10 (twenty years ago)

I remember when I was at uni in the late 80's they were walking around with T-shirts saying 'Greed is Good' with a picture of Michael Douglas as Gordon Gekko underneath (from Oliver Stone's movie, 'Wall St'). As someone once remarked to me at the time, 'I can't see their head office approving of that'. Plus ca change.

― moley (moley), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 03:17 (twenty years ago)

Well, they're certainly getting away with Wall Street craziness at Melbourne, with them ripping off the union, it collapsing and skivving off into other comfy student positions.

I both love and loathe the University of Melbourne.

― Mike Stuchbery (Mike Stuchbery), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 03:20 (twenty years ago)

no doubt you're right moley.

mmmm and guild and student society elections are coming up at uwa too, i hope they don't start taking tips from melbourne!

― gem (trisk), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 03:22 (twenty years ago)

A couple of mates and I were considering some kind of 'Martial Law' hijinks/fauxtest at the height of the union-collapsing craziness, but the thought of being headlocked by three hundred kilos of Tongan security staff and a paucity of military uniforms prevented it.

― Mike Stuchbery (Mike Stuchbery), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 03:24 (twenty years ago)

yeah that must have been some crazy atmosphere at uni when all that happened. nothing scandalous like that has happened in all the years i've been a uni student. i feel a bit deprived in some odd way!

― gem (trisk), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 03:25 (twenty years ago)

I was only really aware of it over a couple of months. The rest of my university experience was rampant drug use, binges at the Clyde and canoodling in the Rowden White.

All soundtracked by that Manic Street Preachers song 'A Design For Life'.

― Mike Stuchbery (Mike Stuchbery), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 03:27 (twenty years ago)

Same up here. Nobody gives a fuck about the union or SRC or anything. Just getting their marks and getting a job.

xpost

― Oh Lord, My God, is there no help for the widow's son? / Kate (papa november), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 03:28 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, that's why I freaked out end of second year and went into teaching.

(BTW Mongs, school doesn't make me wanna pop caps anymore)

― Mike Stuchbery (Mike Stuchbery), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 03:30 (twenty years ago)

yeah the amount of people that care about the guild at uwa is disappointingly low - i can't talk as i don't get involved in it either, mainly due to lack of time. and while i love our labor club, we get great speakers pretty frequently, they're not exactly activists - more about having cups of tea and practising their essay topics during question time.

― gem (trisk), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 03:30 (twenty years ago)

Going to the college of art means the left is pretty dominant and the handful of libs would harassed out of town if they piped up.

― Oh Lord, My God, is there no help for the widow's son? / Kate (papa november), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 03:32 (twenty years ago)

The irony of the whole melb uni student union fiasco is that the libs (intentionally? unintentionally?) provided the Govt with the best argument for VSU ever!

Makes me happy to be at Monash - proudly hippie left!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 06:11 (twenty years ago)

My problem with the anti-VSU campaigners, at least at my uni, is that in protesting in their various blocs, they give ammunition to those who say "Oh, the money only goes to fund specialist groups nobody gives two shits about", when, as any fule no, it also funds things used by everyone.

― edward o (edwardo), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 06:13 (twenty years ago)

I saw this on the news. The guy has tried to commit suicide.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4199748.stm

― Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 14:19 (twenty years ago)

Ahh i see Trayce already posted about it. I really should scroll up 1st.

― Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 14:21 (twenty years ago)

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