Hey baby, what's your RISING sign?

kingfish superman ice cream, i don't know if chinese zodiac has a rising sign, but I doubt it.

in fact, im a triple gemini just like kylie minogue. JEALOUS????

Sun: Sagittarius

I don't believe in any of this hocus-pocus but I do think the descriptive aspect of astrology as being a predecessor to psychology.

sort of. the astro.com reading of my whole chart makes much more sense though.

I love this - it's like those old SNL Nostradamus predictions: "The influence of Neptune can also add an element of glamour or mystery to your appearance. [theremin] You can for example, either photograph extremely well or your likeness on film may be extremely poor."[/theremin]

The Chinese system would classify me as a Metal Dog. RAWK!

Metal Dog! Wood Tiger! Excellent!

Dragon people are the most eccentric in the Chinese Zodiac. Soaring high into the serene heavens, they can be stubborn, passionate, excitable, honest, and brave, wear purple and walk barefoot in public fountains. They listen to their own drummer, thank you very much, while the rest of the world stands in amazement. People always admire their individuality and feisty personality. Dragons are capable of doing great work for mankind and they inspire trust in almost everyone. The Dragon symbolizes life and growth and is said to bring the five blessings: harmony, virtue, riches, fulfillment and longevity.

Chicken Soup and Bamboo Shoots are among keys to even greater good health!

Downright electrifying, Fire Dragons breathe vigor and power. These natural leaders smile at adversity, turn complainers into optimists, and lead lives as inspired as a Beethoven Sonata. They are square shooters in dealing with individuals and are often called upon to mediate disputes. Because they care so much about people, Fire Dragons like to support charitable causes and bring friends together for elegant evening soirees. These Dragons are fired with ambition, unflagging enthusiasm, and intelligence and enjoy most impressive careers as a result. Despite all the money they make, Finance is a big question mark. Money is easy come easy go. Until they control their spending habits, money will just go flying in the wind. Romantics at heart, Fire Dragons can't help playing Matchmaker. They're pretty lucky, too! As for themselves, they ooze charisma and never need anyone to fix them up. Successful in love, often placed on pedestals, Fire Dragons are attractive and have fire in the belly. The opposite sex feels very secure.

xpost In China, I'm a tiger.

I'm an iron monkey!

Also, it has my rising sign in Pisces, and I'm a lot more prone to believe that, since it asked for the exact minute of my birth and the city it happened in. And my moon is in Aquarius, though I don't know what that means. Mostly I'm a pretty water-sign kinda guy.

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Holy shit, me too. And we have pretty much the same job — freaky.

Rising sign: Cancer (everyone I tell this to says "no wonder you're manic depressive.)

Cancer Rising makes you ambitious and dedicated, but deceptively vulnerable. possibly true You are cautious and not inclined to make the first move until you are sure of your ground. very untrue, I always look before I leap Unfortunately, you seem to attract unsuitable partners and may even be subject to a somewhat traumatic marriage. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha OTM Your tendency is to marry late in life, and to seek older or more mature partners, or those who represent an authority figure. as if!

You view everything through an emotional glaze, my dears and though you try to hide your vulnerability behind a tough front, this does not fool anyone for long. yes especially stalkers and psychotic boyfriends Be that as it may, you do not usually allow emotional vulnerability to interfere with your ambitions and you have considerable personal magnetism. do I? excellent! That emotional commitment makes you work twice as hard as anyone else and generally leads to success. sssssh, don't let my boss know. You love to spend time at home and could be successful in any home-based enterprise.

Ruled by the silvery moon, you have a changeable personality, who, me? although you can be quite caring and sympathetic when your nurturing instincts are stimulated. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA, me? nurturing? To my plants, maybe. You like to be "mothered" and may be guided in life by a strong person (usually female). true Consciously or subconsciously you respond to the influence of others, even adopting the latest fashions or modes of behaviour whether or not they really suit you or express your deeper character. BWAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH AHAH HAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. Oh dear. A tendency to undertake those activities, or studies which appear to improve social standing should be carefully watched, especially when these activities are not actually enjoyable in themselves, nor in keeping with your real inclinations. What? This is about as far from me as possible You are instinctively good with the public and have an affinity with children. In what universe is this?

You are a natural cook, Cook? Does Thing count? and possess strong design or architectural ability, or at least take great interest in them. I failed Design three times at Art School, but architecture, yes. Roundness of face, whoops, what to do about my long horseface, then? pale, sensitive skin, and baldness or finely textured hair are characteristics of Cancer Rising. The old bod has a strong tendency to retain water, groo and your emotional orientation (water=emotion) reveals an addictive nature. You seem to attract excess weight - and addictive substances. Oh dear. You can even be addicted to people. Breasts, stomach, and digestive system are vulnerable areas. No wonder I've got flatulence this morning. And I thought it was the beans I ate last night!

God, what a load of baloney. And I "believe" in Astrology.

I'm a Kenneth Anger film or a rubbish early 90s indie band.

Pisces Rising gives a flexible personality, with which you can easily hide your own traits and take on the characteristics of others. Despite your pleasant disposition and willingness to adapt to changing circumstance and the demands of other people, you can be surprisingly strong and determined. The strength of your character, however, is also determined by other important factors in your background.

You have a highly emotional nature, with a quiet, shy personality. Compassionate feelings can be overwhelming, and you must watch the tendency to become a victim of your own vulnerability. Almost before you realize it, or in some cases because you actually seek it, you become your own worst enemy. You are not above using subterfuge and game-playing rather than direct confrontation to get what you want. If however, you develop self-confidence, these less-than-honest emotional ploys are not apt to surface in your personality or behaviour patterns.

Pisces is ruled by Neptune, lord of illusion and imagination, so you have little understanding of how you appear to others. The influence of Neptune can also add an element of glamour or mystery to your appearance. You can for example, either photograph extremely well or your likeness on film may be extremely poor. In either case, photographs fail to capture your true appearance. Pisces is also ruled by Jupiter, lord of inspiration and drama. Neptune and Jupiter blend together to create a highly imaginative personality and one which views life the way you want it to be, rather than the way it really is. Prone to feelings of abandonment, you often feel sorry for yourself and are easily disillusioned.

Your extreme sensitivity generates artistic or poetic talent as well as psychic abilities. Pisces endows a spiritual or philosophical bent, and great appreciation for education, even should your own have been limited. You love travelling, dancing, and sports and although it is by no means universal with Pisces Rising, you may be less-than-average in physical stature with a tendency to retain fluids. An addictive nature makes you extremely vulnerable to habit-forming substances. Sensitivity to medicine and anaesthesia and problems with the feet are typical physical complaints.

Astrology is just a bit of fun. It's no more or less relevant than any other psychological divisions (see also those silly tests my mum had to take that I posted a few weeks ago) as far as I'm concerned. I don't think it's anything to do with the position of the stars or anything, but the time of year/weather around the time of your birth, and shaping your earliest memories probably does have some kind of effect on you psychologically. This may not work if you live in the antipodes.

But it explains why so many of my best friends are bolshy Aries girls!

I think there is a popular belief by believers in astrology that the planets are just representations of otherwise invisible forces and visible planets were like signposts. I certainly have distinct seasonal feelings and distinct hourly feelings, but blaming my moods on the clock or the season doesn't really make that much sense, either, unless you take it in that same "signpost" sense. The clock isn't making me feel a certain way, it just so happens that at 7am I am angry.

Libra Rising implies a distinct mental orientation. Expressions and mannerisms can give a scholarly appearance, even if you are not particularly learned. You are indeed fond of books, music, or art and though you may seem emotionally detached, your disposition is friendly and eagerly cooperative. However, should something in your physical or mental environment be off balance, you can become cross, demanding, or even tyrannical, until you manage to restore your personal equilibrium. I am sure boyfriends past and present will back this up. I think I am something of nightmare princess to go out with.

Libra is ruled by Venus, planet of sensuality and beauty, so you are fortunate enough to be physically attractive. Aww thanks Even if you are not thought of as being physically beautiful, that charming personality will enhance your actual appearance. You are fond of personal luxuries, physical comfort, dressing well, and enhancing your appearance with cosmetics and other beauty aids. Boots make a fucking fortune out of me

Venus is the planet of romance and sociability, so you are romantic, charming, and gracious. You may have a strong spirit of co-operation and diplomacy, but not necessarily the Libran ability for strategic planning and organization Ha! Orga-what?. The negative potential of a Libran ascendant includes the possibility of individuals who are shy, rude or antisocial. It also can mean individuals with either total disregard for their appearance, or the reverse, a vain obsession with retaining youth and beauty at all costs. ouch

You have a definite appreciation for the arts and may be artistically or musically skilled. Interior design, architecture and the law are other areas in which you may take particular interest. You are just as good at taking photographs as you are at posing for them I always look shocking in photos and tend to cut heads off. Common physical complaints are apt to be lack of energy yup, and ailments that result from addiction to rich foods, particularly sweets or cheese.

But believing in "invisible forces" that shape our personality is just as silly as believing in planets shaping it, since no one has ever discovered such forces. Common sense says that personality is shaped by our genes, the people close to us, and our immediate environment, the search for any outside mystical forces seems totally unnecessary to me. Also, seasons and the time of day are not signifiers of some mystic forces either, they affect us in a rather straightforward manner. Many people get more depressed in the winter because the lack of sunlight enhances depression. I am often angry at 7AM too, but that's not due to some mystical cycle, it's because I have to get out of bed and go to work. Nothing mysterious about that.

People say some "force" drew them to this or that. This is just another way of expressing something inexpressible. What is the "force" of an emotion? So, putting a planet's face on the ungraspable "force" makes some sense. It's the same concept as naming things to better understand them.

I don't disgaree with this sentence, but what's the need for astrology then?

And get back to laughing at how accurate/inaccurate these descriptions are?

Anna, yours is hillarious. We should try and get Frances to take it to see all the disparity in our Bolshy Aries-ness.

I don't know, I guess it must fulfill some need in some people. To me, it's more of a "legacy issue." The first attempts at science had people filling books of recorded observations and eventually someone said, "Hey it seems to me that everyone born at this time is like this" and "every day, when the sun is at this point in the sky, people are like that." Sweepingly generalized and to a certain extent stereotyping people, sure, but it seems that enough people must have agreed on the details over the years.

I personally just like to read each description because I find them generally insightful. Whether or not I'm a Taurus or a Libra, some aspect of my personality is dissected there in any sign and they tend to have "psychological folk remedies" for personality disorders like: "until you learn to resign yourself to the fact that you're argumentative and people don't like you because of it, you will have Problem A. But, if you restrain yourself, people will see you as more mature and like you just fine, then Problem A will go away." The actual "meat" of it is very direct. It is just couched in unnecessary symbolism, which perhaps acted in a God-like fashion (the planets were represented by Gods) by providing a religious sense of duty and resignation.

Yeah, I like horoscopes as another kind of insight into self/others. It's interesting. (I am an Aquarius with Libra rising, Gemini moon! So. Much. Air.)

Your sun sign is Scorpio. This is the sign in which the Sun is in your birth chart. Your Ascendant is in Sagittarius, and your Moon is also in Sagittarius.

Once I saw the words: intellectual, ability to make money through hard work... I gave up and realized they were talking about someone else.

Aha! That's sidereal astrology. Clearly Tropical astrology is the correct option as I am clearly an Aquarius Rising and, as The Ceiling At Grand Central points out above: to think of actual PLANETARY FORCES doing some ACTUAL CONTROLLING is just stupid!

"Sidereal astrology is the practice by some western and all Indian astrologers of basing their study of the sky on the actual position of the planets in relation to the starry background. Most astrologers in the Americas and western Europe adopt the tropical zodiac approach and base their study on a notional view of the heavens which does not match the actual present positions of the stars. The sidereal zodiac is used everywhere else. "

:-)

"Tropical astrology segments the sky into twelve equal 'signs' of thirty degrees each. The tropical zodiac always begins and ends with the spring equinox, the moment that day and night are equal in length coincides with the moment that the sun moves into aries. So that segment of sky you see the sun in on the equinox will always be zero degrees aries.

So, being an aries only means that you were born after the equinox but before the sun moved into the segment of sky known as taurus. The sun may have passed through the constellation of pisces at the moment you were born, but as i said, the constellations have nothing to do with western astrology, aside from the naming convention that is.

1. the tropical zodiacal system assumes that the constellations are all the same size, which they are not.

A: The tropical zodiac delineates the passage of the planets through segments of the sky based on the seasons, not the stars. tropical astrologers (unless they are neophytes not fully conscious of the system they use) do not claim to use the constellations. though they do occasionally utilize fixed stars, which i have only recently began to look into so cant comment on that.

2. the tropical zodiacal system neglects the constellation of Ophiuchus, which was recognized as a constellation of the sidereal zodiac at least 1,700 years ago"

A: Yes, the tropical system neglects all the constellations when it comes to the zodiac.

3. due to precession of the equinoxes, there is a difference of about one zodiacal sign between the two systems. (The earth's rotating axis)"

Yes, any questions? hehe

The efficacy of the tropical system has no relation to the stars, whatsoever, except when the occasional astrologer relates the position of a planet or point(mid-heaven/ascendant) to a fixed star."

Now, also what I've noticed is that astro.com combines both sidereal and tropical into something in-between! They don't use Ophiucus and therefore they don't change your main sign, yet they still somehow use the relative position of the planets instead of a fixed idea based solely on the sun. In true sidereal astrology, I'd be a Pisces instead of an Aries with a Sagittarius Rising instead of an Aquarius Rising. Astro.com split the difference.

So there you have it. What a load of shit! ;-)

Actually, Sidereal = Vedic. The post just above explains all the differences. Astro.com combines them both and splits the difference. Personally, it seems you should choose one system and stick with it.

Further research seems to indicate I should read Jung's "Synchronicity"... I'll see if I can find it used somewhere.