'Jackie Brown' is a great fucking movie.

actually i think this one is worse because of the scenes in the mall food court which gives me bad memories

yeah, great movie.

If one doesn't exist, I'm starting a Killing Zoe thread!

Lee G. said something to me when it came out about how he DID think QT was in it, suspected that his voice might have come over the loudspeaker in one of the airport scenes.

i need to re-watch this.

WRONG.

Also: I love Keaton in this.

And it certainly is Keaton's best recurring role, maybe his best role ever. Well, until Multiplicity 2, The Beginning: This Time It's Personal is finally released.

Three movies in a row with no guest starring role from the director gives me hope that he finally realizes he's not an actor.

He couldn't resist, though. He's the "automated" voice on Jackie's answering machine.

dude!

Is Get Shorty any better or worse as source material? I found that entertaining and immediately forgettable; for me, 95% of Jackie Brown's greatness is in the casting (starting with Forster & Grier, but literally every principal besides).

Get Shorty was a pretty good read, but I don't really remember any part of it being that different than the movie. That movie has a really killer cast too outside the main rolls too...Delroy Lindo, Dennis Farina, Danny DeVito, James Gandofini etc.

I bought 52 Pick-Up on Blu-Ray last year. It's just as sleazy as you remember. Clarence Williams III and John Glover are amazing in it.

Get Shorty is better as source material, but it adapts so well to a light (crime) comedy flick because it’s a very slight Leonard. You could knock it over in an afternoon if you do wanna check it out

That movie has a really killer cast too outside the main rolls too...Delroy Lindo, Dennis Farina, Danny DeVito, James Gandofini etc

Right but the main roles - Hackman, Russo, Travolta - have nothing on the Jackie Brown cast. Anyway it's a very different kind of movie. light comedy otm

Anyone seen the Burt Reynolds-directed Stick (1985)?

52 Pick-Up is one of the few movies I watched as a kid where I just sat there thinking "I really shouldn't be watching this."

I really need to watch the later seasons of Justified. I got to the end of the Margo Martindale storyline/season and never watched the rest. Considering the stories and characters in Miami of these various Leonard stories intertine in some ways, you could easily see that one could do a prequel series with all of them in one (Chili Palmer meets Raylan meets Max Cherry etc.) if done right.

Probably impossible to get made with Elmore Leonard being gone, but one could see how it could work.

I haven't seen Stick but I love the the poster -- it's such an iconic "VHS my parents won't let me rent" image.

lol yes!

out of sight is another great leonard adaptation imho

made point a while ago of trying to watch as many of them as i could but looking at imdb i didnt make it that far lol

OOS has the best bourbon sipping scene at a hotel bar with Clooney and J-Lo in cinema history

Are there others?

you don't own the George Clooney and Jennifer Lopez sipping bourbon in a hotel bar anthology?

Phaidon's coffee table edition is beautiful!

i saw 52-pick up when it came out in the theaters
teen (15?) had no idea about elmore leonard - who he was etc
went to see it solely for fact that Vanity was in it (as a Prince & Vanity 6 fanboy)
also reason saw The Last Dragon in theaters, which was a much more enjoyable experience
sleazy is still how feel when think of 52 pick-up decades later

but to reaffirm thread title Jacki Brown is great

at age 10 or saw, went to see Foxy Brown 4 times in the theater (Addis in late 70s and early 80s hads wildly varying times of whem novies would arrive and some jarring juxtapositions on saturday matinees when you'd go in for 3 movies back to back)

my parents did not accompany me to any of my foxy brown screenings and def would not have approved if aware but i loved it and pam grier ever since

The Grier & Forster casting sends this movie to a level it couldn't have touched with any other pair of actors. Together they make the movie. Well scripted, too. I'm not sure Tarantino added much to the project compared to some other director working with the same script & cast.

I'm not sure that the guy who wrote the script for that cast added much to the project by the guy who wrote the script for that cast

Aimless:

After completing Pulp Fiction, Quentin Tarantino and Roger Avary acquired the film rights to Elmore Leonard's novels Rum Punch, Freaky Deaky, and Killshot. Tarantino initially planned to film either Freaky Deaky or Killshot and have another director make Rum Punch, but changed his mind after re-reading Rum Punch, saying he "fell in love" with the novel all over again.[4] Killshot was later adapted into a film, produced by Jackie Brown producer Lawrence Bender. While adapting Rum Punch into a screenplay, Tarantino changed the ethnicity of the main character from white to black, as well as renaming her from Burke to Brown, titling the screenplay Jackie Brown. Tarantino hesitated to discuss the changes with Leonard, finally speaking with Leonard as the film was about to start shooting. Leonard loved the screenplay, considering it not only the best of the twenty-six screen adaptations of his novels and short stories, but also stating that it was possibly the best screenplay he had ever read.[4]

Tarantino's screenplay otherwise closely followed Leonard's novel, incorporating elements of Tarantino's trademark humor and pacing.

afaics, Tarantino's best contribution was ensuring Pam Grier played the lead character and bringing Forster in for the main supporting role. The script, as noted, closely followed the novel. If Tarantino had bowed out early and handed over the same cast and script to another director, the movie would probably have worked out just fine.

did you read the script before or after you saw the film?

(xpost) As much as I agree that the performances of Grier/Forster are central--and as much as I'm far from a Tarantino lover--I do think he brought a lot to this that another director wouldn't have. Sam Jackson is, for me, as crucial as Grier/Forster, and I suspect he and Tarantino really worked together to craft that character. Or little things like Johnny Cash as Ordell sits outside Jackie's apartment; that's Tarantino.

The script, as noted, closely followed the novel.

Aimless, did you read the excerpt explaining Tarantino's changing Jackie to a Black woman? That's a major change!

I found this pretty empty and tedious when it came out; but very curious to rewatch as an older viewer -- perhaps the slower rhythms will make more sense. Not a big fan of the novel either - I think it’s the nearest Leonard got to producing a stock “Miami caper” novel.

perfect line

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3e7wbs_xfas

tarantino’s fingerprints are all over this movie, from the script to the soundtrack to the camera angles to the dialogue to the casting to the editing.. ffs just look at get shorty or true romance for a taste of what a “replacement level director” would bring to a story like this

A "script" isn't even a play -- it's a network of suggestions that a resourceful director will modify.

The source material maybe helps the pacing of the movie somehow? I dunno. But t has a much more relaxed vibe than anything else he’s done and I love it so much. It moves at the speed of Forster’s character, and with his same intensity

There's a shot of Forster walking out of a screening at an AMC mall theatre, his hands in his pockets, that's so casually good, so redolent of the character he plays, that no one else could've realized it.

he's walking out of an weekday afternoon screening!

that's a great shot

It’s such a *casual* film, even when shit gets wild.

yeah exactly

It's a great movie, great cast, great book, but to argue any Tarantino movie doesn't have his fingerprints all over it (for better or worse) and that anyone could have done it is crazy

AND he's literally the only director on Earth who was going to cast Forster and Grier as the leads in a movie in 1997

I remember reading an interview with Stephen King where he said his reward for finishing a novel was reading an Elmore Leonard book. I thought that a really wonderful compliment.

it’s a really great version of the kind of films and TV shows I normally hate

and yeah, Tarantino’s fingerprints are all over it. It is a movie out of time, like Forster & DeNiro & Grier, so all the locations & cars & outfits have a very specific 70’s look while also seeming like present day…down to like, the car Forster drives or the loungey carpeted bar they go to, Grier’s airline & uniform. Tarantino cares enough about that granular stuff to hire the kind of ppl who *also* care. Same with the music. To me his specificity is what defines his style

Y'all are my people, y'all know this.

But

https://i.imgur.com/hfHQVoB.gif

lmao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZNufFkpgIc

sry pplains

please pass the milk, please

AND he's literally the only director on Earth who was going to cast Forster and Grier as the leads in a movie in 1997

yes, and probably the only one with the confidence to play out the entire heist scene twice & at that pace. The film is a miracle.

lol pp

Tarantino more about footprints anyway surely

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QT while he's editing one of the numerous female foot shoots in his movies

Oh no, someone accidentally added sexual overtones to the scene in Jackie Brown where the first woman Louis has seen in many years seduces him, in a manner that establishes her propensity for boundary-pushing. No wonder Sally Menke got fired for this blunder.