Ben Bernanke, the replacement for Greenspan

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Okay economics wonks, have at it. Kudlow muttered this at NRO world:

CEA chair and former Fed governor Ben Bernanke is about to be nominated to succeed Alan Greenspan as Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board. In my view it is a good choice. Though Mr. Bernanke is not a hardcore advocate of the price rule, he does favor an inflation target, which is the second best option. Noteworthy is the fact that in recent speeches he has emphasized the slow and steady 2 percent zone of core inflation and inflation less energy. So he is not as militant as some of the crazed Fed presidents. Bernanke does watch financial market indicators such as the inflation-adjusted Treasury bond and the TIPS spread.

Bernanke will also support an extension of Bush’s tax cuts for capital gains and dividends, and he has told me in the past that raising tax rates would only harm the economy. He is widely respected in the economics profession as a former chairman of the Princeton Economics Department. Thank heavens that Fed board member Donald Kohn, who is a demand-sider and a Phillips Curver, did not get the nod.

That second paragraph strikes me as a very bad thing.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 24 October 2005 15:53 (twenty years ago)

...tho not too surprising.

kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 24 October 2005 16:01 (twenty years ago)

Princeton????? ELITIST SCUM! I don't trust anyone who didn't learn their economics from a swamp rat.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Monday, 24 October 2005 16:03 (twenty years ago)

i was hoping for
http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/04-25-05/16414288.jpg

_, Monday, 24 October 2005 16:05 (twenty years ago)

Princeton????? ELITIST SCUM! I don't trust anyone who didn't learn their economics from a swamp rat.

not only that ... he recruited PAUL KRUGMAN! wingnut heads oughta be exploded en masse across the country now.

(seriously, this is a very good choice.)

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 24 October 2005 16:26 (twenty years ago)

Capital gains tax cuts would put alot of Cream of Wheat in poor chilluns' bellies.

andy --, Monday, 24 October 2005 16:31 (twenty years ago)

Bush: "I had sexual intercourse with perhaps three or four, I don't remember the exact number, women, at different times. In Thailand once, I have a pretty clear recollection that there was one time in Thailand and in Hong Kong."

Brown (attorney Marshall Davis Brown): "And you were married to Mrs. Bush?"

Bush: "Yes."

Brown: "Is that where you caught the venereal diseases?"

Bush: "No."

Brown: "Where did you catch those?"

Bush: "Diseases plural? I didn't catch..."

Brown: "Well, I'm sorry. How ... how many venereal diseases do you suffer from?"

Bush: "I've had one venereal disease."

Brown: "Which was?"

Bush: "Herpes."

_, Monday, 24 October 2005 16:52 (twenty years ago)

That last Neil statement should be in the present tense since herpes has no cure.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 24 October 2005 16:59 (twenty years ago)

"have one venereal disease"!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 24 October 2005 17:04 (twenty years ago)

i found that while looking for the hilarious court transcript of him saying he never realized that the sexy thai women who came up to his room, had sex with him and then showed up on his hotel bill were actually prostitutes

_, Monday, 24 October 2005 17:07 (twenty years ago)

"I don't know, they just fell naked onto my bed!"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 24 October 2005 17:08 (twenty years ago)

The Bush divorce, completed in April after 23 years of marriage, was prompted in part by Bush's relationship with another woman. He admitted in the deposition that he previously had sex with several other women while on trips to Thailand and Hong Kong at least five years ago.

The women, he said, simply knocked on the door of his hotel room, entered and had sex with him. He said he did not know if they were prostitutes because they never asked for money and he did not pay them.

"Mr. Bush, you have to admit it's a pretty remarkable thing for a man just to go to a hotel room door and open it and have a woman standing there and have sex with her," Brown said.

"It was very unusual," Bush said.

So so Krispie (Ex Leon), Monday, 24 October 2005 17:08 (twenty years ago)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Monday, 24 October 2005 17:09 (twenty years ago)

No deadpan humor can be finer.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 24 October 2005 17:09 (twenty years ago)

Brown then interrogates Bush's about his various sex partners: "Did you pay them for that sex?"

Bush: "No, I did not."

Brown: "Pick them up in a sushi house?"

Bush: "No. ... My recollection is, where I can recall, they came to my room."

Brown: "Do you know the name of that hotel? I may go to Thailand sometime."

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 24 October 2005 17:12 (twenty years ago)

ahahahahaha

_, Monday, 24 October 2005 17:14 (twenty years ago)

LYING IS SERIOUS BUSINESS

_, Monday, 24 October 2005 17:14 (twenty years ago)

Hey that's like Alan Partridge and the Bangkok Lady Boys pay-per-views!

andy --, Monday, 24 October 2005 17:24 (twenty years ago)

Was that the one with the guy showing him how to direct the hotel mirror?


"Oh, and you don't wanna look in that drawer right there."

kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 24 October 2005 17:27 (twenty years ago)

what a shame that neil wasn't caught w/ a trannie.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 24 October 2005 17:32 (twenty years ago)

Pork bellies!

iDonut B4 x86 (donut), Monday, 24 October 2005 18:06 (twenty years ago)

Ben Bernanke, I miss you already.

Confounded (Confounded), Monday, 24 October 2005 18:59 (twenty years ago)

not only that ... he recruited PAUL KRUGMAN! wingnut heads oughta be exploded en masse across the country now.

He recruited Paul Krugman to teach international econ -- you shouldn't assume any ideological crossover.

Confounded (Confounded), Monday, 24 October 2005 19:06 (twenty years ago)

Monetary policy and fiscal policy do overlap a bit, and to that extent any evidence Bernanke believes in supply-side economics is reason to doubt his savvy. But this is not, as the lawyers say, dispositive.

M. V. (M.V.), Monday, 24 October 2005 19:51 (twenty years ago)

Hopefully this guy will only be around for 4 years anyway. There's no reason the Chairmen of the Fed needs to be around for 15 years or however long Greenspan was there.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Monday, 24 October 2005 20:00 (twenty years ago)

Monetary policy and fiscal policy do overlap a bit

Yeah, but does Paul Krugman's fiscal policy overlap with Bernanke's monetary policy? I think by the time you're a superstar economist (as both plainly are), you're not recruiting for someone whose worldview matches yours.

Confounded (Confounded), Monday, 24 October 2005 20:11 (twenty years ago)

MSNBC:

"Although a Republican, he is not seen as a highly partisan figure, appearing less comfortable as White House economic spokesman than as a Fed policymaker."

Confounded (Confounded), Monday, 24 October 2005 20:13 (twenty years ago)

Kudlow's second paragraph is patently false.

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Monday, 24 October 2005 22:04 (twenty years ago)

six years pass...

Krugman in the NY Times:

Why won’t the Fed act? My guess is that it’s intimidated by those Congressional Republicans, that it’s afraid to do anything that might be seen as providing political aid to President Obama, that is, anything that might help the economy. Maybe there’s some other explanation, but the fact is that the Fed, like the European Central Bank, like the U.S. Congress, like the government of Germany, has decided that avoiding economic disaster is somebody else’s responsibility.

curmudgeon, Monday, 25 June 2012 13:34 (fourteen years ago)

Krugman is probably right enough about the Fed board being worried that any new actions to stimulate the economy would draw heavy fire from Republicans. Monetary policy has done about all it can, though, short of fully monetizing the federal debt - which even Krugman knows won't happen. It is Congress that is the key obstacle.

Aimless, Monday, 25 June 2012 14:47 (fourteen years ago)

I think Krugman wants Bernanke to act anyway, no matter what the Republicans would think

curmudgeon, Monday, 25 June 2012 15:56 (fourteen years ago)

http://deadhomersociety.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/trash-of-the-titans1.png?w=655

johnathan lee riche$ (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 25 June 2012 18:16 (fourteen years ago)

Beyond preventing a complete collapse, I'm not sure I've ever understood how additional fiscal stimulus is supposed to revive the economy. I think I may be starting to doubt krugman on this. What does fiscal stimulus do to address this:

http://www.cepr.net/index.php/op-eds-&-columns/op-eds-&-columns/the-story-of-the-housing-crash-recession-that-politicians-dont-want-to-tell

The basic story is actually quite simple. The housing bubble had been driving the economy prior to the recession. It created demand through several channels. A near-record pace of housing construction added about 2 percentage points of GDP to annual demand, or more than $300 billion in the current economy.

The $8 trillion in ephemeral housing wealth created by the bubble led to a huge surge in consumption. Tens of millions of people borrowed against bubble-generated equity or decided that they didn’t need to save for retirement. When house prices were going up 15-20 percent a year, the house was doing the saving. The result was a huge consumption boom on the order of 4 percent of GDP or $600 billion a year.

In addition, there was a bubble in non-residential real estate that followed in the wake of the housing bubble. This raised non-residential construction above its normal levels by close to 1 percent of GDP or $150 billion a year.

Adding these sources of demand together, the bubble generated well over $1 trillion in annual demand at its peak in 2005-2007. When the bubble burst, this $1 trillion in annual demand vanished as well. That is the central story of the downturn.

To recover we must find some way to replace this demand; however, that is not easy. People will not go back to their old consumption patterns because they know they need to save more. Tens of millions of people have much less wealth than they expected at this point in their lives after they saw the equity in their homes largely vanish. Tens of millions of baby boomers are approaching retirement with almost nothing but their Social Security to support them.

Given the huge loss of wealth from the collapse of the housing bubble, it is not reasonable to expect consumption to rise to fill the demand gap. It doesn’t make much more sense to expect investment to do the job. Historically, investment in equipment and software has been close to 8 percent of GDP. It is pretty much back to that level today. To fill the demand gap created by the collapse of the housing bubble, the investment share of GDP would have to nearly double to 14 percent.

This would be almost impossible to imagine at any time, but it is especially far-fetched at a time when much of the economy is operating far below its capacity. Businesses are unlikely to spend a lot of money expanding their facilities when the existing capacity is sitting idle regardless of how nice we are to job creators.

click here if you want to load them all (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 26 June 2012 14:39 (fourteen years ago)

I'm not sure I've ever understood how additional fiscal stimulus is supposed to revive the economy.

That article rightly points out that consumers are tapped out and that businesses will not expand or invest in the face of such sluggish demand. But that is precisely why fiscal stimulus is needed. Fiscal stimulus injects money into the economy via government spending, so that it is not dependent on consumers or businesses as a source.

This is basic, basic Keynesian economics. His insight was that in times of economic contraction a vicious circle can develop, where the wholly rational actions of individual economic actors (consumers and businesses) in the face of low demand for labor and for consumer goods lead to further contraction, lower demand, and therefore further contraction, lower demand, etc.

He decided that the only way to break that vicious cycle was for governments to act in a way that would be irrational if it were done by an individual or a business, namely run up its debt and spend like there's no tomorrow. This was supposed to be counterbalanced by governments increasing taxes and revenues to pay down debt during boom times, but you know how well that idea went over.

Aimless, Tuesday, 26 June 2012 16:38 (fourteen years ago)

I should also point out that fiscal stimulus is not the same as monetary stimulus, which is what the Fed does when it lowers interest rates. However, the most important thing the Fed can do to assist the goverment when the government decides on fiscal stimulus, is to buy government debt obligations (treasury bonds) and thereby underwrite some or all of the new debt the government is taking on in its effort to revive the economy.

Aimless, Tuesday, 26 June 2012 16:43 (fourteen years ago)

Well I guess I meant to say monetary stimulus then.

click here if you want to load them all (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 26 June 2012 18:38 (fourteen years ago)

Krugman has made the case for both US govt stimulus and Fed monetary policy stimulus. Wish I could explain why I think he's right about both.

Re housing sales and economic recovery:

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2012/06/us-housing-market-starting-rebound

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 26 June 2012 18:48 (fourteen years ago)

Why won’t the Fed act? My guess is that it’s intimidated by those Congressional Republicans, that it’s afraid to do anything that might be seen as providing political aid to President Obama, that is, anything that might help the economy.

the second of these might be right, but idk why krugman puts the blame on the gop house and not the hard-money hawks on all the fed governorships itself. it's an institution that has to move with unanimity otherwise markets get even more freaked -- dissenter statements whenever bernanke has persued easing have been held up in equivalent fashion to a scalia broadside-from-the-bench

pvmic bellvm (goole), Tuesday, 26 June 2012 18:52 (fourteen years ago)

There are a few problems with the supposed housing recovery imo. (1) Housing sales numbers and prices are being inflated or reflated right now by FHA-backed mortgages and absurdly low mortgage rates. (2) While I realize that there's also "pent-up demand" I wouldn't overestimate that amount -- overall household formation is down because of unemployment, student debt, etc. You're not going to see the same rate of homebuying in the current generation that you saw previously. People are still looking to get back to a "normal" that doesn't exist anymore. (3) In addition to that "pent-up demand" there's also still plenty of another catch phrase: "shadow inventory"

click here if you want to load them all (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 26 June 2012 18:54 (fourteen years ago)

xpost

yeah the hawks on the fomc are the real problem here i think. these guys have been warning about the impending inflation disaster since about...2008? It's a view that's deeply embedded in the dna of the institution.

buh, Tuesday, 26 June 2012 19:37 (fourteen years ago)

People are so traumatized by bursting bubbles that even if you pump a huge amount of money back into the system to replace all that was lost in the collapse, it still won't flow back into the market that bubbled and burst. It will flow elswhere and create a new bubble there.

Aimless, Tuesday, 26 June 2012 19:58 (fourteen years ago)


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