Protecting the Presidential Seal is Serious Business

Hey, this entire year has been one big joke from the White House.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/images/06/20/newseals.ap.wh.jpg

http://www.redstate.com/blogs/ilitigant/2008/jun/20/section_18_usc_713_4_arrest_obama_now

http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2008/06/is_obamas_great_seal_illegal_1.asp

You betcha it is by ilitigant
It is VERY serious stuff. You can excuse it all you want. I refuse to put up with that joker any longer. His disrepect for the nation is only topped by his disrespect for the law.
And the law is the law. Whether its liked or not. Either he adheres to it or he should be prosecuted.
There is a line that shall not be crossed and he has.
I don't need to take a breath. Anger over insult is not an emotional reaction.

'Vero Possumus'

http://www.peteykins.com/sparklepics3/KatherineHarris070506.jpg

apparently roughly translates as "Yes we can"

http://www.myramones.com/ramones/ramones_logo.jpg

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20080620/capt.003d2c72499f41c39003beeac3b60770.obama_2008_political_play_of_the_day_ilab102.jpg?x=221&y=345&sig=LniSlpT8_ta81yX28Ci8ZQ--
I AM PRESIDENT

lol so ballsy

replacing "e pluribus unum" with yr campaign slogan

classy, dude

john d seen here imitating a free republic commentator

e pluribus umad

john d seen here imitating a free republic commentator

umm or a classical studies major

"from the many, one" - pretty fucking heavy shit
"yes, we can" - slogan pablum

lol yah john i cant believe this failed to move you deeply - are you aware that it reads "YES WE CAN" in latin?

I would have preferred him to use the Ramones pastiche, but there ya go...

"from the many, one" - pretty fucking heavy shit
"yes, we can" - slogan pablum

i thought you were the 'self-government for my block' dude.

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"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. And also against John McCain, whose policies are neither as helpful nor as coherent as my own."

XD

http://www.countryaboveself.com/

creeeepy

lol @ 'traitor' beating 'patriot' in their internet poll

http://www.countryaboveself.com/usa_burn.png

the hubub over this is stupid, and I'm a huge Obama backer and contributer, but I kind of agree with John that this was just kind of a dumb move... at the very least it courts controversy to no real good end and gives food to those who claim obama is arrogant.

xp wait, thats supposed to be burning??

no thats def a turd

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"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. And also against John McCain, whose policies are neither as helpful nor as coherent as my own."

-- J0hn D., Sunday, June 22, 2008 1:43 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

dude you quote ephesians to justify everything from morbz style cynicism to jamming aesop rock it doesnt even mean anything now

yah i know i saw that deej - but its a turn for sure

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When he wins he will change it to 'Obama is America'.

pretty cheesy

The Great Seal of The Obama States of America

the obamanian league of justice!

2114 http://www.countryaboveself.com/usa.png Stephen Colbert

omg if u click on the why cant i vote link it gives u a list of ip addresses and the joke people they nominated to get banned o_O

# xx-xxx-xx-xx.xxx.xxxx.xx.charter.com submitted Wonkette as a Traitor

# xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx submitted Dick Liquor as a Traitor

[1763] http://www.countryaboveself.com/usa.png Ann Coulter
[1734] http://www.countryaboveself.com/usa.png Dr. Bill Cosby
[1665] http://www.countryaboveself.com/usa.png Bill O'Reilly

# xxxx submitted Jesus Christ as a Traitor

did everybody read the Doomed Report at that link, it is awesome

j0hn vs. congressional black caucus/jimmy carter cesar chavez

j0hn vs. zings he can't parse

this was a dumb move.

calculated (?) risk, didn't pay off.

http://www.countryaboveself.com/images/votepres_3.gif

haha, whoops

omg Hoos u are so clueless, it's way awesome to have a commmittee come up with a really lame latin slogan that in latin is completely boring and improbable! "yes we can," man, come on!

this is such a non-issue - there are plenty of other things that actually impact policy and y'know, matter, that are deserving of more attention

^ Captain Obamvious

obama has a tendency to get into situations where non issues become issues, but really how much of it is avoidable? i really doubt that the order to have the muslim women moved from behind him at a rally came from the brain trust of the organization. shit like that is gonna happen to some degree, yeah its a stupid misstep in that you know folks are gonna glom onto it but frankly this shit is gonna happen no matter what

fisa bullshit is the only thing that really rubs me the wrong way so far about his main moves

damn john do you really think barack is like defacing the presidential seal with this shit? who cares really? it's just a thing on a podium. and i dont mean this in a shakey mo Let's Talk About Policy way

no Jordan I don't actually give a shit, I'd have hoped that was kinda obvious but ethan has a way of ascribing super involved & committed passion to mindless zings, it's kinda part of his m.o.

fisa bullshit is the only thing that really rubs me the wrong way so far about his main moves

this OTOH is something I actually am very passionate about and I can't imagine how any Obama supporter could feel anything other than profound...well, to be hyperbolic maybe but maybe not, sorrow about. I was actually beginning to feel enthused about dude's campaign. Now I really do think of him as just another fucking Dem schmoe. Sure I'll vote for him, fuckin' whatever, but what a fucking asshole.

replacing "e pluribus unum" with yr campaign slogan

classy, dude

-- J0hn D., Sunday, June 22, 2008 1:10 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Link

but feel free to read this, which is really all I said, as OUTRAGE!!!1! if you like J0rdan

ehhh i dunno j0hn i think yr overstating it a bit in that i dont think ive ever had the illusion that he was gonna make some choices that would be extremely disappointing. i dont feel like im choosing between messianic or 'just another pol'

replacing "e pluribus unum" with yr campaign slogan

classy, dude

-- J0hn D., Sunday, June 22, 2008 1:10 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Link

but feel free to read this, which is really all I said, as OUTRAGE!!!1! if you like J0rdan

-- J0hn D., Sunday, June 22, 2008 5:51 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

just asking--it's the internet, y'know

to deej: yeah I rather wish he'd've let me vote for him before making the kind of decisions that make me feel like voting is more a choice of ice cream flavors than anything else. I know, ethan & everybody else can go with the ad-hom "you are morbius!" crap but fucking whatever, when a dude doesn't give two shits about the constitution my ability to feel excited about him dwindles to zero and at that point I'm only voting against his opponent. which is a fucking drag.

like sersly this shit drained all my enthusiasm from his candidacy. you wanna call me out for it, groovy. I'm hardly alone. dude seems pretty indistinguishable from the Clintons in the light of this: vote how you gotta vote to save yr skin, principle's a malleable thing. I hate that shit.

i agree that this thing is disappointing but i'd like to judge it in a larger context before i get really down on him, and i think that will only happen if he wins. you know if he goes the extra mile or two on something else we all stand for i think this could easily be filed away as "smartly picking his fights" instead "just another pol"

instead of*

oh no Obama loses big celebrity backer Jo�hn Da�rnielle of the Mountain Goats!!!!

i agree that this thing is disappointing but i'd like to judge it in a larger context before i get really down on him

yeah that's what ppl always say when somebody makes some really fucking wretched vote: "look at the big picture:

Jon W. I think you're the only dude who gives a shit about who I am but if you want an autographed pic send a SASE, sorry to let you down my #1 fan

srsly why do assholes always gotta drag my professional life into shit, fuk u u dumb fukk

when a dude doesn't give two shits about the constitution
you get this from copying the seal, or has he done something else?

lol u said you "wouldn't play a benefit for obama" the other day.

xpost

hes talking about the fisa fiasco xp

stet did you not hear about his FISA statement?

xpost deej otm

xxxp Apparently J0hn is also upset that Obama isn't prepared to start WWIII with his own party during an election year too.

banriqit autographed panties are also in the mail 4 u, thanks 4 the luv & support

ah, no, I've been travelling and sleeping for days. xpost

J0hn I feel you.

I got a real sense of disappointment, but I'ma do like deej said and do my part to hold dude's feet to the fire (just like I loudly promised to everyone I'd do to Kerry).

He hasn't lost the sheen for me, but the sheen was always more about 'hey maybe an actually liberal smart guy winning the presidency and doing some vaguely liberal shit' than about dude being Eugene V. Debs or whatever.

I'll sigh about FISA, console myself that he's right about the war, and cast my vote for him in hope that he'll work with a new Democratic majority to make some shit happen.

i think j0hn's wrong to make some sort of "well now i hate him" conclusions until you actually figure out what the effects of all this are but i dont think its wrong to call him out for playing it safe a lack of leadership on this issue

ok that fisa stuff is bullshit

xxxp Apparently J0hn is also upset that Obama isn't prepared to start WWIII with his own party during an election year too.

over 100 Dems found enuf spine to vote against it in the house!

everybody else yeah sorry to be genuinely disappointed in a guy everybody's been touting as that rarest of creatures, a Democrat with integrity. damned if you do/don't, if you don't believe he's actually gonna be diff yr a cynic, if you do you're a fucking chump.

oh yeah Jon Williams did I mention I AM THE SINGER FROM THE MOUNTAIN GOATS AND THAT'S VERY VERY GERMANE TO THIS DISCUSSION

I wish Obama had done things differently, but at the same time I don't think it was going to make any difference and duh it's politics (and guess what doofuses even politicians with integrity have to occassionally behave like politicians.) If he doesn't feel like burning political capital (with people whose support he will actually DESPERATELY need over the next six months to ya know win a fucking election) over an issue that will ultimately only please a few eggheads like us, well whatever it's Washington, J0hn.

i mentioned this in the other thread but this whole fisa update bill situation has been on some serious smokey back room business for a while - telecom immunity was reported as being all negotiated and just awaiting a meaningless vote at least twice and i was all mad - then it didnt happen

so im gonna wait and see what does or doesnt pass and what obama does or doesnt vote for this time before i get all pissy

yeah admittedly if he ends up voting against, contrary to the statement he issued, I'm gonna feel like a dumbass, but it'll hardly be the first time

oh btw I am the singer from the Mountain Goats

J0hn, you're not wrong to be pissed about this - FISA's definitely an encroachment on civil liberties - but 100 Democratic Reps. voting "no" isn't equal to 100 profiles in courage. It's easy to vote no when you know you're going to lose. I'm not happy with Obama, and not to come off like an apologist or anything (Greenwald was right about that), but he's going to have to make a few crappy choices.

Anyway, I don't know if it's as cut-and-dry as we're making it out to be. Obama's old colleague Cass Sunstein, who used to be at UChicago and is moving to Harvard Law this fall, wrote a piece saying that FISA might not be unconstitutional, and recently in the New Republic he wrote a piece saying that Obama had read the piece and called him before his vote to talk about the bill. Apparently Obama thought it was illegal, but wanted to have a debate about it (and he said they had a fascinating conversation and Obama had lots of detailed arguments/rebuttals) before making any statements on FISA to the press. Now, his vote aside, can we acknowledge the awesomeness of that - at least compared to the last eight years?

its not exactly against every statement he issued cause he did vow to fight telecom immunity - im not like totally optimistic abt this situation - but we will see!

xpost - (Um, and not to go off-topic, but your music is all kinds of great.)

it's kinda part of his m.o.

I know what this means because of Kool Keith and that is all I have to add to this thread. kthxbye

l0lhn D.

sorry im new to this thread--the singer from the mountain goats posts here?

the the singer? from the the mountain goats?!?

goat posts 'bout potus

nathan thank u for that, it helps

lol max

it's still kinda weird for me to see Frogman Henry posting text and not that pic of the kid with the flame shooting out of his ass

wrote a piece saying that FISA might not be unconstitutional

I've never thought that was a debatable issue, but I'm not a law professor, and maybe it's debatable. That'll be a grand intellectual exercise, won't it! Like a good game of Constitutional chess. What fun. Meanwhile, the Senate is about to take away the power of US courts to demand that the telecoms tell us -- tell *anybody* -- who they were spying on, who told them to do it, and just how illegal it was (and is). I can't prove anything, but I have a sneaky suspicion that there has been shit going on for the last five years that will make The Lives of Others look like a ride at fuckin' Disneyland. And FISA is nothing but a piece of legislation designed specifically to keep us from ever finding out. And I'm 100% with johnD and will get in line to kick Obama in the nutsack over this. (And then still vote for him.)