'Goodfellas' the 'Citizen Kane' of the UK

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I remember enjoying the film, but I doubt it would make my top #100... not intentionally omitting it, but I just wouldn't have thought of it.

If you Brits think that's good, we'll send over some others you might REALLY like.

― andy --, Tuesday, 25 October 2005 15:21 (twenty years ago)

Oh wait, it's 'FIGHT CLUB', then Citizen Kane. Right.

― andy --, Tuesday, 25 October 2005 15:22 (twenty years ago)

Total Film is a silly magazine that nobody in Britain takes seriously.

Goodfellas IS great, though.

― Super-8 Movie Shoot in the Chinese Quarter (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 15:24 (twenty years ago)

"total" film

crosspost

― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 15:25 (twenty years ago)

Once again, I think these lists are compiled to cause shock, outrage, and indignation, and draw a little attention to lackey rags.

― andy --, Tuesday, 25 October 2005 15:26 (twenty years ago)

And once again, everyone in Britain reads the same magazine and agrees with one another about absolutely everythng

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 15:27 (twenty years ago)

tokyo story seems kinda out of place in that top 10!

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 15:45 (twenty years ago)

i prefer 'fight club' to 'citizen kane'.

― Enrique, naked in an unfamiliar future where corporations run the world... (Enri, Tuesday, 25 October 2005 18:08 (twenty years ago)

Where is Screwed starring Norm Macdonald, Dave Chappelle and Elaine Stritch?

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 18:09 (twenty years ago)

i prefer 'fight club' to 'citizen kane'.

Go back to Sheffield, Benedict Arnold!

― andy --, Tuesday, 25 October 2005 18:14 (twenty years ago)

england needs to get over it's glorification of american gangster films, it's embarassingly 90's of them

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 18:19 (twenty years ago)

i'm trying to construct a response to enrique that doesn't sound like dr morbius but i'm failing miserably.

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 18:20 (twenty years ago)

Enrique is correct in his film assessment.

― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 18:21 (twenty years ago)

I don't want to sanctify "Kane" anymore than it's been, but I thought Fight Club was smugly self-concious (wink-wink style) and I found it completely forgettable. Apples and oranges, though.

― andy --, Tuesday, 25 October 2005 18:26 (twenty years ago)

Kane is great but not as good as A Touch of Evil or The Third Man, and all three are better than Goodfellas, which is much, much better than Dude Where's My Car, which was better than Fight Club.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 18:27 (twenty years ago)

it's embarassingly 90's of them...

here, here.

― andy --, Tuesday, 25 October 2005 18:28 (twenty years ago)

Whatever.

― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 18:31 (twenty years ago)

stop being so noughties, haters, you'll look all washed up in four and a bit years.

― Enrique, naked in an unfamiliar future where corporations run the world... (Enri, Tuesday, 25 October 2005 18:31 (twenty years ago)

I'm trying to think if I've ever seen a worse film that "Fight Club"

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 18:32 (twenty years ago)

If the worst film you've ever seen stars Edward Norton than, really now, you're not doing so bad, in terms of your viewing choices, are you? Why don't you go watch that fucking Mae West-Timothy Dalton trainwreck sometime and then come back here and give us hyperbole, eh?

― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 18:34 (twenty years ago)

... not counting films made by Spike Lee (of course). I know I've rarely seen a worse actor than Edward Norton.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 18:35 (twenty years ago)

no shit. Please view this piece of shit and then tell me Fight Club sucks. (xpost)

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 18:36 (twenty years ago)

It looks more promising!

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 18:36 (twenty years ago)

Hahaha OMG did you ever seen the one that seems in a similar genre of bad B-list romanticoms, the one with Russell Crowe and Salma Hayek??? WTF! That thing was so bad.

― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 18:37 (twenty years ago)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096037/

!!!!

(Still enjoyed it more than fight club.)

― andy --, Tuesday, 25 October 2005 18:39 (twenty years ago)

Well no wonder, it's got Debbie Harry AND Steve Cropper in it!

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 18:41 (twenty years ago)

i guess the real question is which is more annoying, film polls that consistently vote CK the best film ever or peers who consistently tell you that FC is the best film ever.

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 18:42 (twenty years ago)

Do people really think "Fight Club" is good?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 18:42 (twenty years ago)

Sorry, if that it seems like a silly question!

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 18:43 (twenty years ago)

There is a LOT of room for "best film ever" in the statement, "I prefer to watch Fight Club to Citizen Kane," Justyn.

― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 18:44 (twenty years ago)

Actually the only thing pro Fight Club coming here is that it doesn't suck as bad as the Mae West-Timothy Dalton romance or Love Potion #9, but it is better than Citizen Kane. There is like 10000000000 miles of leeway there between whether or not anyone in the room is deeming Fight Club best film ever.

I mean, I know, I know, you watch AFI specials enough and it's like hypnotizing, you cannot believe CK isn't the best film ever so obviously anyone who compares it to Comparison X is saying Comparison X is best film evahhhh...

WTF!!!

― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 18:46 (twenty years ago)

>tokyo story seems kinda out of place in that top 10!<

It's called tokenism, JD, and the day you could convincingly sound like me ain't coming.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 18:48 (twenty years ago)

It was re-released in British cinemas a couple of years ago - that's why it'll be in the list

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 18:49 (twenty years ago)

i really like 'fight club', i think. i haven't seen it in a long time (same goes for 'kane') but i really liked it when i was all fucked-up, when i was 19. i don't have a best film ever, but i think you should go all-out and polemical and say what you feel. so for me it's never going to be 'tokyo story', and it might be 'fight club'. when 'fight club' came out, i would have said 'the big lebowski' was the best film ever (in fact i did, in my student paper).

but throwing it back, how is 'kane' better? a lot of the things people like about 'kane' (the cinemtographic things) you can EASILY say about 'fight club' -- they're both state-of-the-art movies. i think 'fight club' CLEARLY has the better performances, and the better jokes.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 18:50 (twenty years ago)

That story makes it seem that the list was compiled by 'experts,' not the viewing public, which makes some of the rankings surprising. If it was truly joe six-pack, it'd be like:

1. Dance w/ Wolves
2. Forrrrrest Gump
3. Top Gun
4. Fight Club
&c., &c.

― andy --, Tuesday, 25 October 2005 18:50 (twenty years ago)

Why is it better? Because "Fight Club" is fucking shite that's why. Come on, it's got Edward Norton AND Helena Bonham Carter in it! Ha ha

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 18:51 (twenty years ago)

yeah i know ally, i didn't really mean anyone on this thread, i'm just sick of everyone i know going on about FC! i guess most people prob feel the same way about CK, but i first saw it when i was like 9 (don't ask) before i was aware of its Best Film Evah repute so the hype hasn't really affected my view of it.

the day you could convincingly sound like me ain't coming.

thank god for that.

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 18:52 (twenty years ago)

a lot of films get rereleased, dada!

xpost: AND??!!

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 18:52 (twenty years ago)

i like 'goodfellas' too. i've seen it more than almost any other film.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 18:54 (twenty years ago)

Oh don't tell me you like Helena Bonham Carter - are you mad?!!?!

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 18:55 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, little boy, why would you possibly revise the opinion you had of a film made for adults after first seeing it at 9?

I love Goodfellas, and it's no King of Comedy.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 18:56 (twenty years ago)

how is 'kane' better? a lot of the things people like about 'kane' (the cinemtographic things) you can EASILY say about 'fight club' -- they're both state-of-the-art movies.

the 'groundbreaking' stuff in kane is kind of a red herring - it's dazzling but little of it was new. i think it's a deeper and more interesting film, tho - i've prob seen it more than any film ever and i'm still seeing new stuff in it.

x-post: fuck off, you miserable prick.

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 19:00 (twenty years ago)

just so we're clear, how old were you when you saw 'king of comedy'? i wouldn't want to think you were basing it on anything less adult than, ooh, 22, 23.

xpost

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 19:00 (twenty years ago)

Citizen Kane is no Touch of Evil.

― Are You Nomar? (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 19:01 (twenty years ago)

and they're both no chimes at midnight.

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 19:05 (twenty years ago)

I'd laugh at idiots if they were just a wee bit more coherent.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 19:05 (twenty years ago)

jesus, the original audiences of 'touch of evil' and 'kane' would have thought you guys really fucking weird: WHY and HOW is 'touch of evil' better than 'training day'?

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 19:06 (twenty years ago)

christ, enrique, what kind of 'defense' do you WANT of these films? watch whatever you want, no one's forcing you to think orson welles was a good director.

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 19:10 (twenty years ago)

http://www.blaxploitation.com/images/poster_gifs/poster_thing_with_2_heads.gif

This was #65. Miland wasn't finished with "Lost Weekend," apparently.

― andy --, Tuesday, 25 October 2005 19:11 (twenty years ago)

Touch of Evil didn't have an original audience. It bombed completely.

― Are You Nomar? (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 19:11 (twenty years ago)

Skipping 210 messages at this point... Click here if you want to load them all.

I'm actually planning to have a party and show The Other Sister, Radio, I Am Sam and that Rosie movie (if its out on DVD) someday.

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 20:15 (twenty years ago)

The Grudge had some good scares - the very first one when the girl pokes her head into the attic (fuck a spoiler, anyone who wants to see this already has) actually made me jump back in my seat.

I rarely ask that my b-grade horror movies provide much in the way of acting or plot, just give me atmosphere and scares, and I'm happy as a clam.

― Are You Nomar? (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 20:16 (twenty years ago)

I still cannot figure out what kind of sucker actually paid Juliette Lewis and Giovanni Ribisi to "act" like retards.

― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 20:17 (twenty years ago)

are there any other choice star-as-retard movies out there? Gilbert Grape doesn't count because I actually think DiCaprio was great in that. I want ham.

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 20:17 (twenty years ago)

Nell?

― Are You Nomar? (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 20:18 (twenty years ago)

what cinema has taught me is that retards communicate by talking loudly and holding their right hand perpetually up in a half-closed fist, and will do stupid things at the wrong time, but just when you need a nugget of simple wisdom, they'll say something like, "don't worry, the sky is boo, and always will be, and that's what you should think about", at which point the cynical stockbroker brother will get all misty and say, "that's right...it always will be", put his arm around the simple-minded philosopher, and walk off. then we fade to the cynic finally coming around and seeing that his buddy's caretaker is a sweet and actually rather hot woman who he'll pwn by story's end.

― gear (gear), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 20:18 (twenty years ago)

xpost - I think you even get Jodie Foster tittays in that one.

― Are You Nomar? (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 20:19 (twenty years ago)

we already had a thread about this...

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 20:19 (twenty years ago)

OMG "Radio"!!!!!!!!!!!! Cuba Gooding Jr seriously needs to scale back on his cable so that he doesn't have to do such fucking horrifying movies.

The Grudge had some good scares - the very first one when the girl pokes her head into the attic (fuck a spoiler, anyone who wants to see this already has) actually made me jump back in my seat.

The best part about that was the timing! Usually in these movies, there's some time spent setting up an atmosphere of dread and unease before things start popping out at you but here they were all, "Eh, mood-setting is for pussies! Let's start chewing people up right away."

Not changing the actors who played the ghosts was a wise, wise decision because THEY WERE FUCKING TERRIFYING.

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 20:19 (twenty years ago)

I really wanted to love the Grudge and was pretty engaged with it until the last 20 minutes or so when I realized it wasn't going anywhere. I think if I found it scarier I would have enjoyed it more but that little boy was just too cute.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 20:20 (twenty years ago)

Rosie O'Donnell Playing a Retarded Person on Hallmark TV Movie

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 20:20 (twenty years ago)

Did anyone see the Dark Water remake? I just couldn't bring myself to pay money for a movie about the evils of leaky pipes.

― Are You Nomar? (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 20:22 (twenty years ago)

Cute????? He was demonspawn! (Although he wasn't nearly as creepy as the mom or the dad.)

The "not going anywhere" thing seems like a gigantic red herring to me, as the story definitely does go somewhere; it just doesn't go where you want it go.

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 20:23 (twenty years ago)

Where does Benny & Joon fit into the pantheon of mentally-disabled movies?

― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 20:23 (twenty years ago)

Because I've always wondered, I mean whatever is wrong with Joon is completely nondescript and doesn't actually seem to be anything at all, besides being slightly odd.

― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 20:24 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I didn't know that "being an odd, selfish bitch" was actually covered in the DSMR-IV.

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 20:26 (twenty years ago)

But her brother treats her like she's completely mentally handicapped, like he is always alluding to this big mysterious issue she has and why he cannot let her like do anything by herself or ever ever date Johnny Depp (that is probably smart of him though).

― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 20:27 (twenty years ago)

I've always suspected that this is because the brother is fucker her (a la The Carpenters).

― The Ghost of Libel-A-Go-Go! (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 20:32 (twenty years ago)

I've always suspected that this is because the brother is fucking her (a la The Carpenters).

(dammit I bet this has already posted with the typo)

― The Ghost of Libel-A-Go-Go! (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 20:32 (twenty years ago)

The "not going anywhere" thing seems like a gigantic red herring to me, as the story definitely does go somewhere; it just doesn't go where you want it go.

I thought it was trying to be the Ring which was not that scary to me (though much scarier than the Grudge) but was infinitely more interesting because it was more of a mystery than a horror film. In the Grudge I expected something to develop beyond the obvious "something bad happened in this house" to make up for the fact that it was only mildly frightening.

Raimi's The Gift is another film that mines the mystery + mild horror thing much more successfully than the Grudge (if you can get past another horribly out of place Keanu appearance).

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 20:33 (twenty years ago)

BASTARD ILE I HATE YOU WITH THE BLAZING FURY OF A THOUSAND SUNS

(xpost: I didn't think it was trying to be "The Ring" at all; I thought it was trying to be its own thing.)

― The Ghost of FUCKER FUCKSTICK McFUCKINS (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 20:35 (twenty years ago)

"Trying to be the Ring" not in terms of the original japanese films (which I haven't seen) but in the sense that it was an attempt to make a successful American crossover of a hit Japanese horror movie. I realize that this sounds suspiciously like I'm saying that all japanese horror films look the same to me.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 20:41 (twenty years ago)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00005JKWE.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

― gear (gear), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 20:44 (twenty years ago)

yellow card: Keanu Reeves improves every movie he's in, you never need to get past his appearance in anything.

― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 22:51 (twenty years ago)

i like Keanu Reeves!

― gear (gear), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 23:00 (twenty years ago)

I like him sometimes. I'm not buying him as a wife beating redneck though.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 23:02 (twenty years ago)

you people are insane.

Keanu's only watchable when no acting is required, a la The River's Edge.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 23:02 (twenty years ago)

Now there's a movie that's better than Citizen Kane.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 23:08 (twenty years ago)

hahaha

maybe

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 23:09 (twenty years ago)

for some reason I just thought thayt Adrien Brody and Keanu Reeves weren't too far off, then my mind flashed to Keanu Reeves as if he were in The Pianist.

― gear (gear), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 23:10 (twenty years ago)

song lyrics composed of lines from River's Edge vs. song lyrics composed of lines from Citizen Kane

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 23:10 (twenty years ago)

http://www.screenselect.co.uk/images/products/3/11903-large.jpg

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 23:15 (twenty years ago)

Keanu Reeves would've been GREAT in the Pianist.

― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 23:40 (twenty years ago)

"You have to hide here. I'll come once a week with food."

"Bro, bring me some pringles and natty light."

― gear (gear), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 23:57 (twenty years ago)

What was the move where the evil aliens had British accents and the good ones spoke Italian?

― knife (nordicskilla), Thursday, 27 October 2005 00:14 (twenty years ago)

I was going to say "All of them" until you threw that spanner in the works with the Italian.

― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Thursday, 27 October 2005 00:18 (twenty years ago)

that would be:
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0009F43W2.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

― howell huser (chaki), Thursday, 27 October 2005 00:20 (twenty years ago)

Genuine PG rated fun!

― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Thursday, 27 October 2005 00:20 (twenty years ago)

As opposed to that ingenuine pg rated fun.

― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 27 October 2005 00:21 (twenty years ago)

disingenuine. gah. i'll be in the sauna.

― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 27 October 2005 00:23 (twenty years ago)

Ingenue pg rated fun?

― John Justen (johnjusten), Thursday, 27 October 2005 01:17 (twenty years ago)

Unguent pg rated fun.

― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 27 October 2005 01:20 (twenty years ago)

Nice.

― John Justen (johnjusten), Thursday, 27 October 2005 01:24 (twenty years ago)

Armond White wrote Denzel was playing King Kong.

As usual, Armond White is a complete idiot. King Kong ain't got shit on Denzel.

― The Yellow Kid, Thursday, 27 October 2005 03:47 (twenty years ago)

hahaha... quoting that line is so retarded if you haven't seen the movie

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 27 October 2005 14:41 (twenty years ago)

I can't even figure out what Michael Jackson is doing in that movie poster, I've lookd at it like 17 times now.

― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Thursday, 27 October 2005 14:45 (twenty years ago)

Eric Roberts AND Evan Marriott!!!!!!!!

― The Ghost of Best Movie Ever (Dan Perry), Thursday, 27 October 2005 15:47 (twenty years ago)

I want to say that Charlie Schlatter redeemed his existence in some movie, but I can't remember what it was.

― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 27 October 2005 15:48 (twenty years ago)

Trivia for
Miss Cast Away (2004)

* Filmed on location at Michael Jackson's Neverland Ranch.

* Bob Denver's final film.

― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 27 October 2005 15:49 (twenty years ago)

trailer here

― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 27 October 2005 15:53 (twenty years ago)

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