Public speaking nerves

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I've recently started working in an area where I need to speak to groups (small and large) and I'm getting worse by the day. I'm starting to lose confidence and becoming so nervous that it's beginning to affect my ability to even speak one-to-one. My voice sounds nervous and my head is starting to do a weird kind of intermittent shake. That then makes me worse because I know that people are noticing and that knowledge then intensifies the shake.

If i'm in a group situtation, where we all have to take a turn to speak, my heart is racing and thumping so noticeably while I'm waiting for my turn that I'm sure everyone can see my clothes moving.

The worst thing of all yesterday was when I was speaking to a department head, my lips started twitching and I had to put my hand up to my mouth to try to control it. He obviously noticed because he then started to look awkward and almost nervous himself.

This is really starting to get me down. I love the area I work in but unless I can get this under control, I won't be able to continue. I'm confident in my ability to do the job but I just don't know what I can do to get a handle on this.

Does this happen to anyone else and how do you overcome it?

shakey head, Thursday, 27 October 2005 15:16 (twenty years ago)

Have you thought about Toastmasters? My dad was a member, and I've attended a few meetings in my adult life. It's a really good organization, but nervewracking - at your first meeting you get up and say a few words about yourself. The breakfast is good, though.

andy --, Thursday, 27 October 2005 15:27 (twenty years ago)

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andy --, Thursday, 27 October 2005 15:28 (twenty years ago)

I have terrible stagefright. The thing to do is before you go on, or even before you go into a meeting where you're going to have to speak, take a moment alone and just do some concentrated breathing exercises. That will settle you down, biologically, and the rest is all mental. Figure out how to use that nervous energy to your advantage.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 27 October 2005 15:31 (twenty years ago)

I've never considered Toastmasters, it sounds like my worst nightmare but you're right, it could possibly help.

I've tried breathing exercises and taking myself through it etc, but it just doesn't appear to be working. I'm getting worse in fact.

shakey head, Thursday, 27 October 2005 15:38 (twenty years ago)

Toastmasters is good too because you meet all these high-power business guys but they don't care that you're a nobody... I chatted for a few minutes with the CEO of a major west coast grocery chain - about fishing!

andy --, Thursday, 27 October 2005 15:42 (twenty years ago)

So there are supremely confident speakers there to begin with? Shit, I think that would make me even worse to be honest. And being judged on the very think I'm having extreme difficulty with? Eek.

shakey head, Thursday, 27 October 2005 15:46 (twenty years ago)

No, it's confronting your fears. They actually have "um" counters that tell you how many times you stammer and shit. It's a very supportive environment, plus you get to watch some pro's do their thing.

andy --, Thursday, 27 October 2005 16:05 (twenty years ago)

Toastmasters is supportive - their mission is to help people with public speaking, so you don't have to feel bad about not being a good speaker.

Another thing to remember when you speak, kind of like the picturing people in their underwear mantra only not as stupid, keep in mind that you genereally know more than most of the people you're talking to. They view you as the expert. They're not there to criticize your speaking style, they're there to get information from you. Also, remember all of the really bad speakers you've heard in your life, even at the senior level. Now, you're better than they are! You're doing just fine.

when something smacks of something (dave225.3), Thursday, 27 October 2005 17:02 (twenty years ago)

Thank you.

I'm just wondering does anyone use some kind of sedative or anxiety drug to help with this? For example, would half a valium or something help take the fear of the fear out of the situation and allow you to start building up a bit of confidence in your ability to speak publically? Could you then stop taking it after a period and find, hey presto, you're a wizz at this kind of stuff? Or is that ultimately an unhelful road to go down?

shakey head, Friday, 28 October 2005 06:53 (twenty years ago)

i've found the best way to overcome any fear of public speaking is to be totally sure of what you're saying. if you're not confident in your knowledge of the subject, it will come across in your speech, but if you know you have that shit down, you'll find you can talk forever and the time passes quite quickly.

tehresa (tehresa), Friday, 28 October 2005 07:09 (twenty years ago)

My mom does lots of lectures. I remember the first few speeches she did, because I attended some of them. Now she doesn't care about preparation anymore, she just goes in front and *does her thing*. When I asked her how she did this, she replied practice and knowing her subject.

nathalie, a bum like you (stevie nixed), Friday, 28 October 2005 07:36 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I lecture at a university, and there are a few things that've helped me:

1. Like others have said, you're generally speaking cos you know more. Remember that your audience *wants* you to succeed / communicate well - not to fail.

2. Don't be afraid to speak to the speaking process. I quite often state that, because I want to make sure that I want to get, say, all three points across, I've made a couple of notes. Then I look at them, and number my thoughts. Like "first, there's the matter of...". This sense of structure helps you, but also your audience. Comments like "I need a moment to gather my thoughts" are also fine.

3. I wouldn't go down the drugs route. Not because they're intriniscally bad, but because it means that you're creating other opportunities to cloud your head with thoughts other than the basic information you want to impart. (ie "do I seem normal? or maybe drugged?"). For me, anxiety comes from being too self-aware of other impinging factors.

4. Remember that people really don't notice as much as you think they do. A trembling lip, or sweating, or a voice cracking...these seem catastrophic to you, but my (grad) students do this stuff everyday, and I really don't even see it anymore.

paulhw (paulhw), Friday, 28 October 2005 15:17 (twenty years ago)

beta blockers (NOT VALIUM!) might hep you, shakey. i have this myself - i'll write more about it later - i don't have the time at the moment.

jed_ (jed), Friday, 28 October 2005 15:22 (twenty years ago)

It's true, you notice the fear&trembling more than the audience. It does subside, for me. I've read in noisy bars where you have to practically shout to be heard. I had a couple of drinks beforehand, and I'm kind of a loudmouth by nature, but still it was an ordeal. Exhilarating to get it done, though, and when you get laughs it bucks you up considerably. Try throwing some humor into the mix.

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Friday, 28 October 2005 15:28 (twenty years ago)

Thanks everyone for the advice. Jed, I'd really like to hear what you've got to say.

It happened again today and I felt like pretending to faint just so I could get out of the situation. I didn't though because I reckon once I start resorting to stuff like that, I may as well give up. I was really upset afterwards though.

shakey head, Friday, 28 October 2005 17:02 (twenty years ago)

Beta blockers?!? Good grief! Aren't those a bit too strong?

nathalie, a bum like you (stevie nixed), Friday, 28 October 2005 17:14 (twenty years ago)

Ask someone who was at the talk to give you some critique of your presentation. You may find that it's not as bad as you felt it was. Or if it was, maybe they can give you some hints on how to improve.

The best way to get good at it is to keep doing it - but try to get some objective criticism on how to improve as you go.

when something smacks of something (dave225.3), Friday, 28 October 2005 17:18 (twenty years ago)

Beta blockers?!? Good grief! Aren't those a bit too strong?

Check with your doctor, but beta blockers could be the answer - they slow your heart rate down and make you less panicky. I've been prescribed them a few times when I've had stressful situations coming up, and they've been really effective.

ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 28 October 2005 17:27 (twenty years ago)

I think that in situations like you describe, the purpose of prescribing meds is usually to help you get through the worst of it, i.e. to help you speak comfortably and often enough so that you become used to it, and can then go off the meds once you've gained enough confidence and experience to reassure yourself with. They're there to sort of get you over the initial, worst hurdles, and to convince you that you can do it.

I don't know if I put that right...someone who knows more can explain better, but that's the solution that was offered me when I was having anxiety attacks from the public speaking aspects of teaching. (Unfortunately I can't remember what type of medication it was suggested I try.) I eventually decided to give up my career ambitions rather than go through the daily torture of doing a job I didn't love enough otherwise, and I admire you for sticking with it. To get through the teaching until a time I could quit, the deep breathing Huck described helped immensely, as did reassuring myself that the anxiety attack would pass (simple as that sounds, it wasn't obvious when in the midst of panicking). Also it helps to remember that other people probably don't notice nearly as much as you do--they're more often concerned with how they're coming across instead.

sgs overseas, Friday, 28 October 2005 18:03 (twenty years ago)

Another tip to help relax ... have you ever been to a presentation and you found yourself writing your grocery list? That's what 75% of your audience is doing. They're listening some of the time, and hopefully getting something out of it; but chances are, they aren't really noticing anything about your speaking style. Unless of course, they have a stake in what you're talking about - in which case the presentation should be interactive, and that interaction should take some of the pressure off of you.

when something smacks of something (dave225.3), Friday, 28 October 2005 18:14 (twenty years ago)

My manager was just talking about Toastmasters the other day! She used to have the most awful time with public speaking - she would literally be sick before she had to address any group - but now she is happy and calm with the whole thing. I've seen her on telly and everything, and she comes across really well.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Friday, 28 October 2005 19:00 (twenty years ago)


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