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When I was a little kid I used to amuse myself trying to visualize a fourth dimension (that is -- a 4th spatial dimension, not 'time'… so really a 5th dimension…) and I caused myself a lot of weird and incommunicable anxiety re. hypercubes and Mssrs. Kaluza-Klein. I've always been fascinated by the interjunction of mysticism and physics… and when I'm in any sort of altered / chemically enhanced state this is where my mind tends to lead me. Also, when I'm really buggin' I sometimes get turned on by flowers and/or snow.

Anyhow… last night I was having trouble sleeping and the following idea passed into my head:

What if the this-dimensional ego of each of us is just one'subprocess' of a multidimensional self that's our 'overarching' being and could serve to each of us as an individual god. And what if in a multitude of dimensions all possibilities of each of our lives are being simultaneously played out?

Like a string tied at two points but always minutely vibrating, with a TENDENCY to be at certain points at certain times … what if all of our lives have certain predilections but no 'absolutes' which allows us to conceive of a touch of free will and a touch of determinism. e.g.: in 2/3 of N possible universes we inhabit, we die at age 88 of lung cancer, BUT all other possibilities (never being born, SIDS, every conceivable injury, illness, freak accident, etc.) does occur in parallel to the life we know.

And what if THIS life, the one any of us in this Universe is occupying right now, is just one particular collection of probability-matricies? It seems we're in a universe where MOST of the time the most probable thing occurs… but there are definate exceptions. Which makes a lot of sense, because most of the time, in most of the universes things would be mostly consistant. Though I'd like to flip over to a universe that wasn't this way, once in a while. Fuckin' ride a firebreathing dinosaur down Hollywood Blvd and shit.

Remy (x Jeremy), Saturday, 29 October 2005 18:15 (eighteen years ago) link

NB: the best way I've found to conceptualize a 4th spatial (or 5th general) dimension is to take an inert but omnipresent characteristic of the universe as it now exists and expand it to infinite depth.

I came up with this in 5th grade when I imagined these little beings called 'pencilpointpeople' that lived on the different pages of my notebooks. And the only way they could evolve was to think spatially and discover the 3rd dimension by interpolating it from an (inert but omnipresent) characteristic in their 2-D college-ruled world. I was very influenced by Edgar Rice Burroughs' The Land that Time Forgot. A few of the pencilpointpeople made it from the front of the notebook almost all the way to the back, but then I left it on the bus and when I came in the morning my little universe had disappeared.

Remy (x Jeremy), Saturday, 29 October 2005 18:21 (eighteen years ago) link

A few of the pencilpointpeople made it from the front of the notebook almost all the way to the back, but then I left it on the bus one afternoon and when I came to search for it the next the morning my little universe had been disappeared.

Remy (x Jeremy), Saturday, 29 October 2005 18:22 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.richardsonfarm.com/images/aerial2004.jpg

Remy (x Jeremy), Saturday, 29 October 2005 18:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Coincidentally, I am currently watching My Dinner With Andre.

M. V. (M.V.), Saturday, 29 October 2005 18:55 (eighteen years ago) link

duuuuuude what if like weed was legal and you could smoke wherever you wanted

Mickey (modestmickey), Saturday, 29 October 2005 19:46 (eighteen years ago) link

imagine if that FIELD was all WEED

gear (gear), Saturday, 29 October 2005 19:52 (eighteen years ago) link

dude i am so stoned right now

Mickey (modestmickey), Saturday, 29 October 2005 19:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Douglas Adams has mentioned this idea in Mostly Harmless.

Heave Ho, Saturday, 29 October 2005 20:04 (eighteen years ago) link

too long; didn't read

bato (bato), Saturday, 29 October 2005 20:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Like most people, I continue to go through a maturation process. So
far, from infancy to age 31, I have gone through periods of learning,
doubt, acceptance and rebellion a number of times and expect this
cycle will continue. Doubt and rebellion are necessary. There is an
axiom that goes something like, "the phenomenal world is a spiritual
reality," so if we believe what we are told more than we can believe
our own senses, then at least we have an axiom to fall back on which
says the same thing, right? Right. So doubt and rebellion are part of
the process; part of how things "should be" and _are_, so there is no
use crying over spilt milk.

On the other hand, Christianity, for example, does just this. It
blames the "spilt milk" on Satan, Adam and Eve and they will mourn the
spilt milk, which is now the entire fabric of reality (spoiled milk),
until the day when God and his army come back to clean it all up. This
appears to be a logical inconsistancy due to the fact that the
Christain God is perfect and knows the future, which means that Satan
must have been part of the plan all along (right?), and so it stands
to reason that doubt and rebellion are, again, part of the process;
how things "should be" and therefore are. So, there is no use crying
over spilt milk, but they do anyway.

So doubt and rebellion are responsible, at least partially, for
fighting. Of course, there are reasons for doubt and rebellion. You
come to doubt a liar, rebel against an oppressor, etc. If Satan really
did rebel against God, wasn't it because God had made all the rules? (The words from The Book of The Law ring truer now, "The word of Sin is Restriction.") Life, clearly, wants to be free, not restricted. Rebellion is woven into the fabric of reality.

But, restriction is also part of reality. The Saturnian aspect of
things is the fact that they are things at all, right? Otherwise, we
would have one big expanse of no-thing. So, restriction is necessary
which means certain laws are necessary, but then we have rebellion to
overthrow those laws. Perhaps rebellion is the "death gene" scientists
are looking for? For some reason, our bodies just stop living and
start dying when certain hormones and processes reverse themselves for
no apparent reason. The body just stops doing what it used to do and
starts doing the opposite, almost as if it just decided, "Hey, I don't
want to live! I want to die!" Oddly, the Bible says that Adam and Eve
would've lived forever, but if they ate from the Tree of Knowledge,
they would die. Well, if you didn't _know_ anything, you would never
doubt anything or rebel against anything, but clearly, if there really
was a God who created us, we were meant to know things and learn
things. There is no way a mind could be free thinking without being
free to doubt certain things and rebel against certain ideas. So, once
again, limitation plays apart in our ability to contain knowledge and
yet that very limitation is part of the process that naturally leads
to rebellion.

So then, fine. Rebellion is natural and rebellion leads to fighting.
Great! Where does that leave us? War without end?

There's a bit of a debate about who the _real_ Black Brothers are.
What are "peaceful warriors?" Isn't the concept of the Mystic that
your mind rebels rather than accepts and this is the root cause of
discomfort? The idea is that you rebel against your situation and you
want to change it, right? So rebellion and desire go hand-in-hand. Get
rid of those and you can finally be at peace sitting on your bum on
the side of a dirt road with a begging bowl and a few rags of clothing
on your back. I can see how it would be preferable not to care about
anything, for true enlightenment seems to be the idea that nothing
matters, nothing makes a difference. But things do matter, things do
make a difference: things are made of matter and we differentiate them
by their differences. We are things and we are different. We can even
think about things differently. On a hugely other level, things may
not matter or make any difference, but that level is an "escape" from
this one. The mystic is an escapist! They shouldn't mind being called
that, of course, their whole point being to get the hell off this
insufferable planet as soon as possible.

But for the rest of us still living here on planet Earth, we are left
with the problem of fighting, suffering and getting hurt. "Rebellion"
of this fact seems to create religions, which is interesting. People
naturally rebel against the idea of suffering: "It shoudn't be this
way! Nobody should have to suffer! Nobody should fight! Can't we all
just get along?"

Should we fight our tormentors or should we turn the other cheek?
Should we let things irritate us or should we adopt the peaceful
attitude, "no matter, no difference?"

It's a tough question. And I, for one, am stumped.

I don't think I have to read a whole lot of Nietzsche to realize what
he went off the deep end about. I never read his book, "The Antichrist." All I had to do was flip it over and read the back cover
to find out that all his previous writing had led to this ultimate
moment: his concept of the Will To Power, what he hoped to be a Theory
of Everything, helped him to destroy Christianity in his mind.

"What is good? Everything that heightens the feeling of power in man,
the will to power, power itself. What is Bad? Everything that is born
of weakness. What is happiness? The feeling that power is growing,
that resistance is overcome. Not contentedness but more power; not
peace but war; not virtue but fitness. The weak and the failures shall
perish: first principle is our love of man. And they shall even be
given every possible assistance. What is more Harmful than any vice?
Active pity for all the failures and all the weak: Christianity."
—Nietzsche, The Antichrist.

And with that, he promptly had a mental collapse, apparently. But what
he said rings at least somewhat true, however unpleasant and "Satanic"
it sounds. He is, of course, missing a whole lot of nuances in life
that are inherent, such as love, compassion and empathy. I didn't
believe I had to read a whole lot of Nietzsche, so I don't believe I
have to read a whole lot of his critics to understand what sort of
problems they may have with his arguments. According to George
Santayana, Nietzsche was "the belated prophet of romanticism" who
preferred "the bracing atmosphere of falsehood, passion, and
subjective perspectives" to truth. Yeah, I could imagine. He seems
pretty reductionist and life seems pretty complex.

If everybody followed their True Will, would life work itself out just fine? Would fighting cease? Somebody please, just tell me the answer before I have a mental collapse like our pal Nietzsche. Thanks.

Is there a particular Tarot key that would be useful for meditation? (yes, apparently: The Moon, The Hierophant, The The Lovers, The High Priestess, Justice and probably all of the major arcana).

Human Reason = "Satan?"
Faith = knowing that your reasoning is limited and imperfect and therefore must fail due to it's incompleteness?

Reason is instinctual and separate from Divine Wisdom = the coiled serpent remains at the base of the spine, as opposed to united at the crown of the head?

When we aspire to Faith, we yearn for God and call for answers. Is the proper result of this the completion of The Great Work also known as the "Knowledge and Conversation Of The Holy Guardian Angel"? Is this also Kundalini? The Serpent rises (biological "logic") to The Crown where the newly appointed King sits (Divine Wisdom)?

Is the answer to the question of conflict and fighting, openly surrendering to God and essentially letting God act through us? Is this why the "fisher is the enjoyer of the meal" as it says in The Book of Tokens (Tzaddi, The Star); because God ultimately wins by letting the Rebel exhaust himself?

You Want To Talk Crazy, Saturday, 29 October 2005 20:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Exterminate whites

Mickey (modestmickey), Saturday, 29 October 2005 20:15 (eighteen years ago) link

What is happening in the basement of the house two doors down, right now? That is another reality you'll never know.

when something smacks of something (dave225.3), Saturday, 29 October 2005 20:33 (eighteen years ago) link

TOP SECRET: da troof

latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 29 October 2005 20:58 (eighteen years ago) link

and if you reall want crackpot metaphysics...

latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 29 October 2005 21:02 (eighteen years ago) link

I liked Remy's idea :( You're all BORING.

(Jer: I dreamt about inkypeople once, that lived inside pages! omg seriously)

Trayce (trayce), Sunday, 30 October 2005 02:03 (eighteen years ago) link

twee metaphysics!

latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 30 October 2005 02:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Hey, now that gives me a writing idea...

Trayce (trayce), Sunday, 30 October 2005 02:11 (eighteen years ago) link

what if all of our lives have certain predilections but no 'absolutes' which allows us to conceive of a touch of free will and a touch of determinism. e.g.: in 2/3 of N possible universes we inhabit, we die at age 88 of lung cancer, BUT all other possibilities (never being born, SIDS, every conceivable injury, illness, freak accident, etc.) does occur in parallel to the life we know.

And do you ever wonder if there's a way we're meant to work out how to "break through" the whatever that seperates out all these parallels, so we can move amongst all the possibles of our existence?

Im... not sure I made that make sense. But I often have this distinctly visual sense of a "barrier", sometimes it even looks like an infinitely small point in space, an epsilon, that if I can focus hard enough on it, I will come out somewhere else.

Trayce (trayce), Sunday, 30 October 2005 02:25 (eighteen years ago) link

what if sciencetists buld big magnyifing glass to heat the house with.

TIM@KFC.EDU, Sunday, 30 October 2005 21:02 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.homevideos.com/freezeframes12/ShrunkMoranis2.jpeg

Remy (x Jeremy), Sunday, 30 October 2005 21:09 (eighteen years ago) link

(yes, Trayce -- I know exactly what you mean)

Remy (x Jeremy), Sunday, 30 October 2005 21:10 (eighteen years ago) link

I figured you might :)

Trayce (trayce), Sunday, 30 October 2005 22:04 (eighteen years ago) link

maybe that is what rebellion is for ... if we all live in a teleological universe perhaps rebellion is there to serve as a tool for swapping between different designs, different realities.

If cause and effect are ... then maybe true freedom is choosing which cause and effect to be a part of ... kinda like changing horses mid gallop or maybe even which wave to surf. Rebellion serves as the instigator to say that a particular cause and effect stream are no longer working for your development as an energetic and physical being thus it is a sign to change patterns ... take the leap into the unknown and choose another design to follow. Another pattern to replicate

Or not.

StrangeDays (StrangeDays), Monday, 31 October 2005 00:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, therein too lies, perhaps, the question - is rebelling against our percieved "reality" like that just "being insane"?

I say not. I dont believe "insane" people are wrong. I believe they have a lot of insights the rest of us could well do to use.

Trayce (trayce), Monday, 31 October 2005 00:46 (eighteen years ago) link

You know what would rock?

A Klein-bottle bong.

(and yeah, I fucking know that's technically impossible)

Remy (x Jeremy), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 07:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Duuuuude.

Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 07:35 (eighteen years ago) link

The smoke jus' keeps going around... and it NEVER COMES OUT.

Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 07:35 (eighteen years ago) link

eleven years pass...

Hmmm I thought Remy's idea was p much accepted as a valid theory of universe/matter but I may be misunderstanding the specifics, the universe you experience is the one in which a certain frequency of the matter you inhabit is resonating and various other frequencies are the same matter in other universes and this would explain some fundamentals of idk energy spacetime and the missing mass of dark matter

Anyway yeah mannnn I dig it

Gary Synaesthesia (darraghmac), Monday, 16 October 2017 22:46 (six years ago) link

duuuuuude what if like weed was legal and you could smoke wherever you wanted

welcome ... to the future

the late great, Monday, 16 October 2017 22:54 (six years ago) link


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