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Please give me some advice, going for the first time this December. I've already got a board, boots and locks.

57 7th (calstars), Sunday, 30 October 2005 19:57 (twenty years ago)

never pat a wild polar bear and be nice to your mother

StrangeDays (StrangeDays), Sunday, 30 October 2005 19:59 (twenty years ago)

Make sure you get your board set up in the right direction. And make sure you've got strong legs.

Matt (Matt), Sunday, 30 October 2005 20:00 (twenty years ago)

Weight forward at all times! You getting lessons, or going with anyone more experienced?

Oh and I would recommend kneepads and wristguards.

ledge (ledge), Sunday, 30 October 2005 20:13 (twenty years ago)

If you're facing uphill and lose your balance, do your human best to fall on your front, because the angle of slope means you've got farther to fall backwards. If you absolutely MUST topple over on your arse like a besieged colossus, try to land on nice soft powder and not bounce your head off a patch of ice. Lesson over.

Laurel (Laurel), Sunday, 30 October 2005 20:16 (twenty years ago)

And ALWAYS remember that all the tall, tanned ski instructors secretly hate themselves and are poorly endowed. This is U&K.

Matt (Matt), Sunday, 30 October 2005 20:18 (twenty years ago)

ADVIL.

What I most remember is really sore arms the next day, from constantly pushing myself after falls. My big problem with learning to snowboard is that I learned to ski when I was 2 and didn't attempt snowboarding until I was 17. I think the younger you are, the better, it doesn't hurt so much to go sliding down the hill on your stomach.

lyra (lyra), Monday, 31 October 2005 00:25 (twenty years ago)

You'll spend most of the first day falling on the ground (soreness will follow). You'll start to get the hang of it by the second day (joy will follow). You'll get over-confident by the third day and bang your head.

Bend your knees! Start by facing uphill and glide across the slope. You'll feel that balance point. after you've got that, do the same but face downhill. Then practice switching from facing uphill to facing downhill by turning the board down. Now practice the opposite, turning from downhill to facing uphill. Once you've got those four things figured out, you're done.

Watch out for other people! Enjoy.

Super Cub (Debito), Monday, 31 October 2005 01:21 (twenty years ago)

Wear a helmet.

Learn how to fall and fall often. Many people have an irrational (but understandable) fear of hurting themselves/looking like a spaz when they first learn to snowboard. Even worse, if you think too much about not fucking up vs. just having fun and learning, you WILL hurt yourself. Fuck the haterz.

Also, wear wristguards.

< / short, not very tan former ski instructor with an enormous endowment and decent to quite decent self-esteem >

giboyeux (skowly), Monday, 31 October 2005 02:02 (twenty years ago)

Wristguards are def a good idea. It seems to be really easy to break your wrists. Last winter this guy broke his wrist - wore a cast for like 6 weeks - went snowboarding again - and broke his other wrist.

Super Cub (Debito), Monday, 31 October 2005 03:30 (twenty years ago)

Your legs will hurt. Ignore it.

Bend your knees, and dip as you turn – when you start out you're most likely to fall when you try and shift from one edge to the other i.e. when you turn. So lower centre of gravity = more stable.

You need to be able to control how much grip you have on the slope with the edges of the board, and that's difficult at first, so find a steep slope and go down it on your front edge, facing the slope, like a falling leaf (like super cub said) then do it back to the slope. And don't just do it falling leaf, try doing it without going from side to side, just straight down facing the direction of travel (i.e. not with the board pointing downhill). The first time I was ever on snow I got taken to the olympic black run and told to get to the bottom. It was scary but straightforward and taught me to trust the edge of the board. But my ankles and thighs hurt all night.

beanz (beanz), Monday, 31 October 2005 09:43 (twenty years ago)

Don’t get over confident like i did on my 1st outing, i broke 2 of my ribs. It was still one of the best holidays I’ve ever had though.

not-goodwin (not-goodwin), Monday, 31 October 2005 10:05 (twenty years ago)

Weight forward, wear wristguards, get used to falling hard on your arse.

Once you're happy with using the edges of the board, learn to turn it as soon as possible. The real fun doesn't start until you can link turns but it can take a few days to get confident enough to do it.

robster (robster), Monday, 31 October 2005 10:34 (twenty years ago)

If you are over 30: On the first day, take a lesson in the morning, and keep practicing basic turns on the beginner hill until about 1:30pm. Go inside for lunch, and then sit in the bar all afternoon. There's a good chance that if you go back out after sitting down for 1/2 hour, you will be stiff and tired, and will get frustrated and possibly broken.
If you're under 30, and have been skateboarding and skiing your whole life until now: put on a helmet and point the thing downhill. After a few dozen vicious falls you'll be a pro.

superultramega (superultramarinated), Monday, 31 October 2005 16:53 (twenty years ago)

All this talk of injury and pain is even making me nervous... don't worry about it! Personally I've never had too much of a problem with aching muscles the next day. The most important thing I think is a positive mental attitude - just be confident, have fun! Yes you will fall, it may hurt, but just don't worry about it.

if you think too much about not fucking up vs. just having fun and learning, you WILL hurt yourself

Totally OTM - if you're afraid to fuck up you will fuck up. This is why I wear wristguards and kneepads - I don't need to worry about damaging my wrists or knees if I fall, and this just gives me the added confidence I need to not fall.

ledge (ledge), Monday, 31 October 2005 17:14 (twenty years ago)

Huh. I skateboarded as a kid and have been skiing for ages but snowboarding was NEWS TO ME; weirdest part was having feet strapped in and not independently mobile. Taking a lesson helped except for the aforementioned fall.

Everyone else OTM! Makes me wanna go this winter!

Laurel (Laurel), Monday, 31 October 2005 17:20 (twenty years ago)

Makes me wish I hadn't moved out of the mountains to the big dumb city.

giboyeux (skowly), Monday, 31 October 2005 17:37 (twenty years ago)

Jib, are there any decent ski resorts in WI/MN? There are several in MI but frankly a) they're too far away for you, I suspect and b) they are teh suck compared to CO/etc. I haven't tried anything on this coast yet.

Laurel (Laurel), Monday, 31 October 2005 17:40 (twenty years ago)

MN is too far, and I've skied all those out anyway (grew up there). WI is...lacking. The only one I've been to, Trollhaugen, is probably 5 hours away and not worth the drive. I'm hoping to watch the weather and scor some cheap, last minute Chi/Denver plane tickets when it's looking like there's systems moving into CO. I've still got guys out there that can put me up/snag tickets and free demos. Which is nice.

giboyeux (skowly), Monday, 31 October 2005 17:44 (twenty years ago)

skiing: edges, snow

skateboarding: moving sideways, and the abrupt stop of hitting a rock is kind of like catching a downhill edge.

Snowboarding is totally fun! I wasn't planning on going this winter due to funds and a new love of x-c skiing, but now I'm starting to think otherwise.

superultramega (superultramarinated), Monday, 31 October 2005 17:58 (twenty years ago)

MN = Great Plains = no mountains

Snowboarding is dangerous. So is skiing.

Super Cub (Debito), Monday, 31 October 2005 18:01 (twenty years ago)

You can futz around more on a snowboard, which makes easy terrain more funnable. Witness the hordes of kick-ass park and pipe technicians that hail from the Midwest and the East. Ditto Scandinavia.

xpost - So is driving and so is smoking. Whatever.

giboyeux (skowly), Monday, 31 October 2005 18:03 (twenty years ago)

So is flying. I just found out that Jetblue is about to start offering TWENTY-FIVE DOLLAR flights to New Hampster, very near where friends of mine live. So I may be doing weekends away this year. Anyone have recommendations for NH?

Laurel (Laurel), Monday, 31 October 2005 18:08 (twenty years ago)

Yes, I used to live there. Basically, the recommendation in NH is: go to VT.

Mad River Glen is totally kick-ass, but skier only (one of two or three left in the country). Jay Peak, up in VT's Northeast Kingdom is amazing, and gets as much snow a year as JHole.

Killington is big and decent. Expensive as FUCK. Pico, it's little neighboring resort, is actually pretty fun and NEVER crowded, even on a powder day.

Stowe: good. Sugarbush: good.
As far as NH is concerned: Cannon Mountain is supposed to be good. And, uh, Wildcat?


But, to reiterate: Mad River and Jay. Especially if there's fresh.

giboyeux (skowly), Monday, 31 October 2005 18:12 (twenty years ago)

Goodness, thanks for the run-down. Don't know that I'll make it to VT since I don't drive these days but will keep in mind.

Laurel (Laurel), Monday, 31 October 2005 18:15 (twenty years ago)

Mad River Glen, Stowe, Stratton = GOOD.

Laurel OTM about skateboarding/snowboarding, I hate not being able to move my feet around on a snowboard.

lyra (lyra), Monday, 31 October 2005 18:32 (twenty years ago)

Everyone is the enemy. They deserve to have you crash into them at full speed. Hell it's so hard to get at that speed they should feel honoured you can hit them that hard.

It hurts but you get to sit down a lot which, as a lazy person, is perfect!

Kv_nol (Kv_nol), Monday, 31 October 2005 23:52 (twenty years ago)

Turning and stopping (which obv. you should try to get a hang of early on) require unweighting (to release an edge) and unweighting (to set an edge), using the legs as your springs. While your legs follow the board's turns, the upper torso and head face the general direction of travel, just as in skiing.

Practice by going down a wide, mildly inclined run and see if, through a series of linked turns using this weighting-unweighting movement, you can actually *accelerate* through the turns (much as one pumps to go higher and faster on a playground swing). If you can achieve something of this feeling, even fleetingly, you've found the key.

Collardio Gelatinous (collardio), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 00:36 (twenty years ago)

Oops, first line above should read: "...unweighting (to release an edge) and weighting (to set an edge)..."

Collardio Gelatinous (collardio), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 00:38 (twenty years ago)

While your legs follow the board's turns, the upper torso and head face the general direction of travel, just as in skiing.

That's one school of thought - the other says you turn with your whole body, using your upper body to initiate the turns. I'm sure they both work, it's just whatever you feel comfortable with.

ledge (ledge), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 08:32 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, using the upper body to "initiate the turns" is a better description of what I'm trying to get at (which is basically that, contrary to some novice's tendencies, the orientation of the strapped-in feet need not dictate the orientation of the upper body).

Collardio Gelatinous (collardio), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 15:20 (twenty years ago)


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