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― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 15:38 (twenty years ago)

But he's such a young and exciting leader! I know you're secretly thrilled!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 15:40 (twenty years ago)

Estaban Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 15:40 (twenty years ago)

He has a fuckable mouth.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 15:40 (twenty years ago)

Cameron, not Esteban.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 15:40 (twenty years ago)

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41092000/gif/_41092858_cameron203gettymain.gif

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 15:40 (twenty years ago)

This is where UK politics ends its long and winding journey in becoming identical to US politics.

― Venga (Venga), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 15:41 (twenty years ago)

how?

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 15:43 (twenty years ago)

which one of gordon brown or david Czzzzz is going to be bush and which one is going to be kerry?

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 15:43 (twenty years ago)

I thought this was a thread about Cozen!

― the bellefox, Tuesday, 6 December 2005 15:43 (twenty years ago)

This is where the UK ends its long and winding journey in becoming identical to the US

― Oh No, It's Dadaismus (and His Endless Stupid Jokes) (Dada), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 15:44 (twenty years ago)

b-b-but he likes The Smiths, mark

"but not the title track", oh no, gawd bless you ma'am

― zebedee (zebedee), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 15:44 (twenty years ago)

If you voted for Tony Blair, I see absolutely no reason why you shouldn't vote for David Cameron... and that's exactly what a lot of people are going to do

― Oh No, It's Dadaismus (and His Endless Stupid Jokes) (Dada), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 15:45 (twenty years ago)

people who vote are so gay

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 15:48 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, that was awful on Newsnight, but why they gave the gig to Jamie Campbell I don't know. The guy's an insipid poshboy Louis Theroux clone.

But hey. He's snorted loads of coke, so he must a cool and groovy touchy feely guy!

― Dave B (daveb), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 15:49 (twenty years ago)

Well, exercising your democratic right to vote should make you happy (xpost)

― Oh No, It's Dadaismus (and His Endless Stupid Jokes) (Dada), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 15:49 (twenty years ago)

x-post re how this makes UK = US

Two parties with a broadly similar approach to free market economics, with one being slightly more liberal on social issues. Also, the point where the personality of the party leader has completely eclipsed policy and ideology in terms of their electability.

― Venga (Venga), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 15:50 (twenty years ago)

I blame Clinton. Or maybe I blame the hippies. I think Bob Shrum should be shot though.

― Dave B (daveb), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 15:51 (twenty years ago)

I still blame Thatcher... no particular reason, I just do

― Oh No, It's Dadaismus (and His Endless Stupid Jokes) (Dada), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 15:55 (twenty years ago)

did people really vote in the USA for George W's personality?

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 15:55 (twenty years ago)

Oh come on, he's an amusing little chap

― Oh No, It's Dadaismus (and His Endless Stupid Jokes) (Dada), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 15:56 (twenty years ago)

haha that is true

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 15:56 (twenty years ago)

if jim davidson ran for prime minister i'd vote for him

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 15:57 (twenty years ago)

Two parties with a broadly similar approach to free market economics, with one being slightly more liberal on social issues. Also, the point where the personality of the party leader has completely eclipsed policy and ideology in terms of their electability.

-- Venga (des230...), December 6th, 2005.

haha WHICH IS WHICH?

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 16:03 (twenty years ago)

Even if DC isn't instinctively much more right wing than TB (and I do think he is, fwiw), he'd still find it necessary to differentiate himself from Labour. So I reckon there'll be some kind of Tory internal reinvention to do with procedures or rebranding or something, but as far as policies go he'll try to maintain the clear-blue-water-between-them thing.

― beanz (beanz), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 16:08 (twenty years ago)

On the contrary, tho I think he will striving to maintain clear blue water between himself and Gordon Brown, I don't think he will discouraging comparisons between himself and Tony Blair, I think he'll be encouraging them

― Oh No, It's Dadaismus (and His Endless Stupid Jokes) (Dada), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 16:11 (twenty years ago)

did people really vote in the USA for George W's personality?

yup.

well, that and fear.

― kingfish trampycakes (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 16:12 (twenty years ago)

... it'll be, tacitly, if you vote Cameron you'll be voting for Blair/New Labour, if you vote Brown you'll be voting Old Labour (xpost)

― Oh No, It's Dadaismus (and His Endless Stupid Jokes) (Dada), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 16:13 (twenty years ago)

kingfish, it wasn't fear the first time. i think a lot of people voted out of boredom in 2000. we'd seen gore for 8 years and the press told us all this crap, remember? gore wears EARTH TONES. gore needed coaching from a lady on how to be a man. gore says he invented the internet. gore is a serial fabricator. and well, gore is just condescending enough in his style of speechifying that people were eager to believe it. well that and the fact it was drilled into their heads day after day by a weirdly vicious press corps. who believes these things now?

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 16:18 (twenty years ago)

I think inventing the internet is enough for anyone to not want to vote for him. Thanks for reducing the productivity of the world's office workforce by 95%! nice one!

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 16:22 (twenty years ago)

posho

― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 16:22 (twenty years ago)

Tracer, i agree with you completely about the 2000 election. shit was all bullshit narrative.

hell, they even had cowboy hats at the goddamn national convention! the daily show book made a joke about this(marketing an ivy league multi-millionaire legacy as "outsider").

but instead of derailing a UK politico thread into another US one, let us just agree that bullshit narratives can play more a part of one's politics than one would necessarily like.

― kingfish trampycakes (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 16:25 (twenty years ago)

It would be better if he was actually called david czzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz and he was a robot, and all his speeches went rrrrrzzzzzzzzzz tzzzzzzzzz zzzzztzzzzztztzzzzz. I'd vote for that.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 16:28 (twenty years ago)

http://members.tripod.com/~Magnesite/waltlogo.jpg

― Oh No, It's Dadaismus (and His Endless Stupid Jokes) (Dada), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 16:31 (twenty years ago)

i doubt they will try to make cameron look like an outsider or a non-posho. labour didn't even bother making blair look like a non-posho.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 16:34 (twenty years ago)

I think they'd struggle with the non-posho disguise

David Cameron is the cousin of the Conservative political journalist and editor Ferdinand Mount and the grandson of Sir William Mount, 2nd Baronet. Through the Mounts, he is related to many British aristocratic families, being descended from the 7th Earl of Denbigh, the 1st Earl of Ducie, the 1st Earl of Carnarvon, the 2nd Earl of Egremont, the 6th Duke of Somerset and the 2nd Earl of Shrewsbury, as discussed here. He is also related to the British Royal Family by descent through his paternal grandmother from King William IV and his wife is a descendent of King Charles II.

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 16:38 (twenty years ago)

cameron is more of a posho

crosspost

― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 16:38 (twenty years ago)

england loves poshos. its reassuring. and everybody knows non-poshos are thick - just look at that horrible slob prescott and his unspeakable unspeakability. yuk!

didn't they posh thatcher up a fraction?

― Pete W (peterw), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 16:39 (twenty years ago)

If it worked for George W., it can work for Czzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

― Oh No, It's Dadaismus (and His Endless Stupid Jokes) (Dada), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 16:39 (twenty years ago)

Cameron = posho
Brown = Scottish

Cameron wins I fear

― Oh No, It's Dadaismus (and His Endless Stupid Jokes) (Dada), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 16:40 (twenty years ago)

english thick people don't have 'down-home' charm though.

blair = posh scot

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 16:41 (twenty years ago)

Blair isn't really Scottish

― Oh No, It's Dadaismus (and His Endless Stupid Jokes) (Dada), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 16:42 (twenty years ago)

that's how posh he is!

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 16:42 (twenty years ago)

As a posho what do you think Cameron makes of Pulp's Common People?

― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 16:44 (twenty years ago)

That depends on how it will affect his vote in Middle England

― Oh No, It's Dadaismus (and His Endless Stupid Jokes) (Dada), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 16:44 (twenty years ago)

I think he finds it strangely uplifting.

xpost

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 16:46 (twenty years ago)

i think a fair few posh people like(d) pulp.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 16:47 (twenty years ago)

xxxpost

thatcher had elocution lessons.

one reason why David Davis wasn't gonna win was cos the grassroots would always think him a bit vulgar; a bit council. (look at that stupid DD t-shirt stunt)

english electorate has problems trusting scots (with some good reason what with them having their own parliament but being allowed to nevertheless partake of ours).

blair and brown should still easily enough waste cameron and osborne at the dispatch box to win in 2009. Brown's analytic ability/grasp of policy will stand in particular contrast to Cameron once he becomes leader and it'll be a refreshing contrast after 2 years of cameron/blair airy rhetorical competition. after that, brown should appear as the grounded alternative. all these machinations could work out very well for him in the long run, if he's allowed to play it right.

― barbarian cities (jaybob3005), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 16:49 (twenty years ago)

xxpost

those who tended to sing along to common people most in popscene and the like were the exact posh public school subjects of the song

― barbarian cities (jaybob3005), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 16:50 (twenty years ago)

ironing

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 16:54 (twenty years ago)

blair and brown should still easily enough waste cameron and osborne at the dispatch box to win in 2009.

Performance at the dispatch box doesn't count for much. William Hague was widely considered to have performed well in parliament, but that didn't do him much good at election time. What counts for more is performance on TV, and Cameron has more natural charisma and easy-going charm than Brown. Depending on the state of the economy in a couple of years' time, I think Cameron stands a pretty decent chance of beating Brown at the next election.

― jz, Tuesday, 6 December 2005 17:01 (twenty years ago)

Bit like the people who sang most to Girls and Boys were the slutty boys and girls, he said with barely disguised resentment at not getting much as a teenager.

― Dave B (daveb), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 17:01 (twenty years ago)

i bet jarvis himself is fairly posh these days

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 17:02 (twenty years ago)

'Appen 'e's still common as muck

― Oh No, It's Dadaismus (and His Endless Stupid Jokes) (Dada), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 17:03 (twenty years ago)

do "real" poshos have naturally trilling elocution or something? some genetic oral advantage?

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 17:07 (twenty years ago)

i think u pick up a lot of yr accent from home; also the english public school was practically invented to give the umid classes a definable, non-regional accent.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 09:40 (twenty years ago)

That photograph makes him look like Data.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 09:54 (twenty years ago)

I see he's in the commons now, and accused T.Blair of "living in the past". Good to see shining wit is his forte, or did he spend a week thinking up that one?

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 17:49 (twenty years ago)

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