Multi-milionaire anti-capitalist (and occassional singer) John Lennon was shot dead 25 years ago today

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But should we really care anymore? The more mawkish elements of the media are banging on as if it was a world-changing event that touched every person on the planet...

― Hello Sunshine (Hello Sunshine), Thursday, 8 December 2005 07:21 (twenty years ago)

Answer: No.

― Abbadabba Berman (Hurting), Thursday, 8 December 2005 07:22 (twenty years ago)

the media wants to turn us all into teeth-gnashing fanatics when it comes to dead celebrities, taken from us before their prime. fuck it, Lennon is dead, Cobain is dead, Princess Di is dead. at this point, who cares? move on. etc.

― gear (gear), Thursday, 8 December 2005 07:29 (twenty years ago)

In the case of Lennon, it might just as well have been cancer or a car accident or some other cause of death -- the fact that he was shot just seems to wrongly amplify his death as though it were especially meaningful, as though it had something to do with Kennedy and King, which it REALLY DOES NOT.

― Abbadabba Berman (Hurting), Thursday, 8 December 2005 07:31 (twenty years ago)

TS: articles that refer to lennon's killer as "he who shall not be named" vs articles that trot out the grotesquely overfamiliar details of the murder with a distinctly creepy relish ("as he left for the studio that day, whistling a merry irish tune, john never suspected he had but four short hours to live...")

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 8 December 2005 07:33 (twenty years ago)

I'd like to see Christopher Hitchens do a takedown obit on Lennon like he did for Bob Hope. That was awesome.

― Abbadabba Berman (Hurting), Thursday, 8 December 2005 07:34 (twenty years ago)

Erm, well I guess it wouldn't technically be an "obit" but death-anniversary piece or whatever.

― Abbadabba Berman (Hurting), Thursday, 8 December 2005 07:35 (twenty years ago)

On a pedantic side-point, there is no inherent contradiction in being a multi-millionaire anti-capitalist, as the thread title would seem to suggest. A multi-millionaire Christian, yes.

― Amity Wong (noodle vague), Thursday, 8 December 2005 09:45 (twenty years ago)

A peace activist whose contribution to world peace was lying in bed while on his honeymoon.

Did write some anthemic pro-peace tunes though, and I don't think that should be underestimated. Annoying though they are.

― beanz (beanz), Thursday, 8 December 2005 09:55 (twenty years ago)

Oh, I've got no time for John Lennon the Hero or for much of his work, but taking him to task for hypocritical lyrics is like demanding Pete Townsend died before he got old.

― Amity Wong (noodle vague), Thursday, 8 December 2005 10:00 (twenty years ago)

Also beat up at least one wife, at least once.

― beanz (beanz), Thursday, 8 December 2005 10:13 (twenty years ago)

there are many things a poor boy (and mick jagger wasn't even that poor!!) could do, other than joining a rock'n'roll band.

― N_RQ, Thursday, 8 December 2005 10:14 (twenty years ago)

Oh pack it in, the lot of you.

J.Len was alright. Had the weight of the world on his shoulders half the time, coped as best he could. He wasn't a 'savior' until after he died, for which he's probably ever thankful.

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 8 December 2005 10:20 (twenty years ago)

"Weight of the world on his shoulders"?!?!?!?!?!?!

― Amity Wong (noodle vague), Thursday, 8 December 2005 10:21 (twenty years ago)

"The way things are goin' they're gonna crucify me"

... let's face it you can't take acid every day for a year and NOT end up a little damaged

― We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 8 December 2005 10:25 (twenty years ago)

i agree w. grout, more or less.

― N_RQ, Thursday, 8 December 2005 10:27 (twenty years ago)

marcello seems to have gone dark recently, so i'll do this on his behalf:

OMG LENNON VOTED TORY AAAARGHHH!

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 8 December 2005 10:28 (twenty years ago)

I don't think it's possible to take acid every day for a year and it actually work. You build up a tolerance real quick.

― Amity Wong (noodle vague), Thursday, 8 December 2005 10:28 (twenty years ago)

as though it had something to do with Kennedy and King, which it REALLY DOES NOT.

LA LA LA LA NOT LISTENING LA LA LA LA

― Mel Gibson (blueski), Thursday, 8 December 2005 10:29 (twenty years ago)

I'd like to see Christopher Hitchens do a takedown obit on Lennon like he did for Bob Hope. That was awesome.

-- Abbadabba Berman (Hurtingchie...), December 8th, 2005.

actually, at this point i'd just like to see Hitchens shut the fuck up.

― latebloomer: The Corridor (Yes, The Corridor) (latebloomer), Thursday, 8 December 2005 10:31 (twenty years ago)

i disapprove of people like lennon being lionised

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 8 December 2005 10:31 (twenty years ago)

we don't need hitchens to do the takedown obit, j burchill has done several already

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 8 December 2005 10:31 (twenty years ago)

i disapprove of people ~~like lennon~~ being lionised

― Amity Wong (noodle vague), Thursday, 8 December 2005 10:32 (twenty years ago)

I disapprove of people

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Thursday, 8 December 2005 10:34 (twenty years ago)

I'd like to see Christopher Hitchens do a takedown on Christopher Hitchens

― We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 8 December 2005 10:35 (twenty years ago)

who are ppl like lennon, the lex? famous popstars? scousers? wha?

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 8 December 2005 10:35 (twenty years ago)

Neil Innes in the Rutles

― We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 8 December 2005 10:36 (twenty years ago)

people from crap bands

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 8 December 2005 10:38 (twenty years ago)

i'd like christopher hitchens to eat his words, a bag of dicks.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 8 December 2005 10:47 (twenty years ago)

Back to Old Lennon, I heard that famous Rolling Stone interview and, apart from being a thoroughly unpleasant self-obsessed self-indulgent wife-beating backstabbing junkie arsehole, he came across quite well

― We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 8 December 2005 10:50 (twenty years ago)

... I missed out puerile and vindictive

― We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 8 December 2005 10:51 (twenty years ago)

J.Len was alright.J.Len was alright.

http://www.delafont.com/comedians/Comedian_Images/j-leno2.jpg

― thor heyerdahl (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 8 December 2005 10:52 (twenty years ago)

... he had good points in that interview too

― We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 8 December 2005 10:56 (twenty years ago)

Jesus, you beat up one wife and you never hear the end of it.

― Amity Wong (noodle vague), Thursday, 8 December 2005 10:57 (twenty years ago)

x-post

if only Chapman had gone down that route instead...

― latebloomer: The Corridor (Yes, The Corridor) (latebloomer), Thursday, 8 December 2005 10:57 (twenty years ago)

Well, to be fair, he beat up two wives (xpost)

― We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 8 December 2005 10:58 (twenty years ago)

That supposed 'unheared' interview, published as a book back in the day. Oh, OK we hadn't actually heared it. But all the 'revelations' were printed at the time.

xpost ones he was married to...

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 8 December 2005 10:59 (twenty years ago)

Oh I know all that, but when you hear it he seems more sympathetic because he's so passionate and honest and genuine

― We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 8 December 2005 11:01 (twenty years ago)

we don't need hitchens to do the takedown obit, j burchill has done several already

if you're looking for loathsome, reactionary hypocrites, j burchill ought to be your first stop!

what everyone - hatas and worshipers alike - always forgets is that lennon's basic appeal during his lifetime was that he was generally seen as a funny guy. even his anti-war efforts generally had a "having a laugh" kind of air about them. that rolling stone interview is obnoxiously self-important, but it's also pretty hilarious - at the time it must have been pretty shocking to hear him call the beatles "the biggest bastards on earth" or compare paul to engelbert humperdinck.

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 8 December 2005 11:22 (twenty years ago)

I liked when he gave Jagger a kicking (I mean, verbally, not an actual kicking... like the one he gave Stuart Sutcliffe)

― We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 8 December 2005 11:24 (twenty years ago)

i think that is actually at the root of my dislike for lennon - i loathe that air of "having a laugh" which seems to excuse all manner of sins, from bigoted views to wife-beating to outright stupidity. especially if it's not actually funny! this is something which the kaiser chiefs have inherited.

yeah, j burchill is also obviously a reactionary hypocrite. however, she is classic because (at her best) she's genuinely witty, whereas lennon was dull ploddy laddy "having a fucking laugh".

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 8 December 2005 11:27 (twenty years ago)

Lennon was funny but he certainly not in a "just having a laugh" way! I'm sorry that just isn't him at all! The Kaiser Chiefs? You're having a laugh now!

― We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 8 December 2005 11:29 (twenty years ago)

i see you're an albert goldman fan then, dadaismus?

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 8 December 2005 11:31 (twenty years ago)

What, you're saying he didn't give Stuart Sutcliffe a good kicking?

― We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 8 December 2005 11:32 (twenty years ago)

from bigoted views to wife-beating to outright stupidity. especially if it's not actually funny! this is something which the kaiser chiefs have inherited.

Missed this, which one of these or more are the K's guilty of?

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 8 December 2005 11:33 (twenty years ago)

lex prefers his bigotry and sexism straight up.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 8 December 2005 11:35 (twenty years ago)

Missed this, which one of these or more are the K's guilty of?

1 and 3 (i know nothing of their lovelives)

lex prefers his bigotry and sexism straight up.

or at least accompanied by a clever turn of phrase

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 8 December 2005 11:40 (twenty years ago)

that book is a useful corrective to some of the bullshit that's been written about lennon, but quite a few of its more, um, unusual claims - that JL murdered two people, carried on a long-term affair with brian epstein, picked up young boys in bangkok, and was so physically inept that he could barely play guitar - would be easier to believe if goldman actually provided sources for any of them.

goldman was pretty much insane, though everything he wrote was admittedly fun to read.

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 8 December 2005 11:45 (twenty years ago)

Goldman wasn't insane.

Lennon did beat up Stuart Sutcliffe but he didn't kill him.

― We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 8 December 2005 11:47 (twenty years ago)

i suspect the goldman bio is actually the most accurate one that will ever be written just because he was the only writer not completely in awe of lennon, and willing to write about the rather ugly, depressing details of his life (esp the last ten years), but it's still a pretty one-sided portrayal. supposedly the original draft was longer and included almost as much positive material as negative (which would have to make it twice as long as it is!) but the publisher trimmed it down to emphasize the controversial stuff.

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 8 December 2005 12:01 (twenty years ago)

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Hmmm...

Well, that's valid grounds for criticism. Although noone seems to lambast the likes of Ozzy (admittedly not now but trying to kill your partner is pretty serious...), James Brown for it.

I'd like to read that interview.

― hobart paving (hobart paving), Thursday, 8 December 2005 14:44 (twenty years ago)

... the wife beater
-- We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (dadaismu...), December 8th, 2005.
What is the evidence for this?
-- hobart paving (elvistear...), December 8th, 2005 2:35 PM. (hobart paving) (later) (link)
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From John Lennon's mouth

-- We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (dadaismu...), December 8th, 2005 2:38 PM. (Dada) (later) (link)

yeah it reeks of Stella!

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 8 December 2005 14:46 (twenty years ago)

Ken.....

....errrr...

― hobart paving (hobart paving), Thursday, 8 December 2005 14:47 (twenty years ago)

cynthia lennon says in her new book that john hit her once when they were both teenagers, but never again after that. i can't recall reading that he ever hit yoko.

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 8 December 2005 14:48 (twenty years ago)

I'm pretty sure Yoko has never said anything that would suggest that.

― hobart paving (hobart paving), Thursday, 8 December 2005 14:49 (twenty years ago)

Lennon is the only star I ever really mourned, as I knew him as an animated character by age 6.

http://www.nostalgiacentral.com/tv/kids/beatlescartoon.htm

My sister and I went to the Central Park vigil the weekend after.

I'd like to see Christopher Hitchens do a takedown obit on Lennon like he did for Bob Hope.

Even since he's lost his mind, Hic-chens hasn't been nearly as funny as Son of Paleface OR Fancy Pants.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 December 2005 14:55 (twenty years ago)

And frankly, if I was hauled to account for everything I'd done whilst I was a teenager, nobody would speak to me.

I still want to believe the best of him. Yes (in answer to the question), I think what happened was desperately sad, both for him, Yoko and their children. She has said several times in interviews that she has never recovered from it. Personally, I like some of his solo stuff and most of his Beatles stuff. Even if its very unfashionable to say that at the moment..

P.S. surely its time for this backlash to turn around again? It IS the 80s again, after all, and it was okay to like the Beatles then.

― hobart paving (hobart paving), Thursday, 8 December 2005 14:56 (twenty years ago)

As I said upthread, the fact that he might have been a self-obsessed self-indulgent wife-beating backstabbing junkie and puerile and vindictive to boot, does not necessarily mean he didn't have many good qualities also!

― We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 8 December 2005 14:58 (twenty years ago)

... he was a human being after all !

― We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 8 December 2005 14:59 (twenty years ago)

i like a good hatchet job as much as the next guy but hitchens' 'takedown' stuff is way overrated (his kissinger book aside), he's much better and more interesting when he's talking about ppl he actually admires. his ronald reagan obit made a big deal about reagan being a cold, distant guy with no real friends; that doesn't make me hate RR more, it does the almost-impossible job of making me feel sorry for him!

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 8 December 2005 15:03 (twenty years ago)

In that case I await his Thatcher obit with even more interest than I would normally await a Thatcher obit!

― We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 8 December 2005 15:04 (twenty years ago)

Well, I admire his wit, his sense of the bizarre and his song-writing. Also, the fact that he cared about the world, if not enough to give up all those millions (and which of us could actually say we'd do that??) then enough to risk being assassinated for it.

― hobart paving (hobart paving), Thursday, 8 December 2005 15:11 (twenty years ago)

Errrrrrrrrrr, but that wasn't why he was assassinated

― We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 8 December 2005 15:12 (twenty years ago)

Well, it depends which version of the story you're buying..

(and no, I don't necessarily believe the conspiracy theory, but even so he was taking a risk saying and doing the things he did.)

― hobart paving (hobart paving), Thursday, 8 December 2005 15:17 (twenty years ago)

He wasn't saying or doing anything very much from 1976 to 1980

― We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 8 December 2005 15:19 (twenty years ago)

creepy moment in the film "imagine: john lennon": JL gets a letter from someone (in around 1971) warning him that he will be assassinated, and he and yoko laugh.

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 8 December 2005 15:24 (twenty years ago)

lennon's assassination certainly had a lot to do with the things he said in public, otherwise chapman would've shot someone else. JL basically offended someone every time he opened his mouth; it was only a matter of time till some lunatic fan decided to do something about it.

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 8 December 2005 15:26 (twenty years ago)

He wasn't saying or doing anything very much from 1976 to 1980
-- We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (dadaismu...), December 8th, 2005.

I was 2 in 1976, so I'll take your word for it.
On putting himself on that platform, he took a risk. Especially given the history and political climate in which he was operating.

He already had his millions.. he could have played it safe and stayed at home like so many of his fellow-band-members. He actually did give a shit, and tried to do something about it. That at least it laudable, no matter what you think of his efforts.

(and yes, by 1976, he probably was a bit tired of trying.)

errr..x-post

― hobart paving (hobart paving), Thursday, 8 December 2005 15:29 (twenty years ago)

He already had his millions.. he could have played it safe and stayed at home like so many of his fellow-band-members

Which is precisely what he did between 1976 and 1980! I'm not giving him a hard time for it by the way! What did he actually do for "peace" (conveniently vague) tho, apart from lying in his bed and planting the occasional acorn?

― We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 8 December 2005 15:31 (twenty years ago)

... or making fucking awful radical chic garbage like "Sometime In New York City"?

― We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 8 December 2005 15:32 (twenty years ago)

The book-length interviews John gave at the end of his life which David Sheff compiled have some of the funniest, truest rock star observations ever. And the object of his scorn this time was not Paulie but George. I admire how John admits that George hurt his feelings when George published his ghostwritten tome.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 8 December 2005 15:33 (twenty years ago)

Well there was already quite a bit of antagonism towards George in that 1970 interview

― We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 8 December 2005 15:34 (twenty years ago)

having one of the world's four or five most famous pop stars on the side of the anti-war movement must have been a considerable boost for it at the time, and probably got more ppl interested in it - that seems a decent accomplishment, really.

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 8 December 2005 15:37 (twenty years ago)

The whole point is that he wasn't really involved in the anti-war movement - his and Yoko's thing was more a woolly conceptual thing about peace in general

― We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 8 December 2005 15:39 (twenty years ago)

I think whether "peace" is vague is an idea for a whole other thread, and one I'm too tired to even try and get my head around today. In some ways its a vague concept, in other ways its actually very exact...anyway, another day... because that probably doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

The honest answer is that I don't know what he did. The message is there in his music..(errr... that sounds horribly Tony Blackburn but I'll leave it in) and I know he attended rallies and made speeches. But beyond that, I don't know that much. Perhaps someone else will..

Most of the media-stunts were Yoko's ideas. I know they were ridiculed at the time, but the fact that we can smile at them now shows the power they conveyed. Events less peculiar might have been forgotten..(err...like all the other stuff he maybe did for peace.. n stuff...)

I guess in that context it doesn't sound like so much after all, but its more than I've ever done.

― hobart paving (hobart paving), Thursday, 8 December 2005 15:40 (twenty years ago)

... yes, but you're not in the position where you can plant an acorn and be on the front page of the paper the next day for planting an acorn are you?

― We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 8 December 2005 15:45 (twenty years ago)

if it's planted in Bush's asscrack, maybe.

― latebloomer: The Corridor (Yes, The Corridor) (latebloomer), Thursday, 8 December 2005 15:50 (twenty years ago)

in public, i mean.

― latebloomer: The Corridor (Yes, The Corridor) (latebloomer), Thursday, 8 December 2005 15:51 (twenty years ago)

... it's something to aim for, for sure

― We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 8 December 2005 15:51 (twenty years ago)

As far as I know, "Yellow Submarine" was a Lennon/McCartney collaboration.

the songwriting credits don't reflect who wrote what song.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 8 December 2005 15:59 (twenty years ago)

"Give Peace a Chance" (Lennon-McCartney)

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 8 December 2005 16:01 (twenty years ago)

(xpost) I think he knows that, what he's saying is that "Yellow Submarine" actually was a Lennon/McCartney collaboration.

― We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 8 December 2005 16:02 (twenty years ago)

Well there was already quite a bit of antagonism towards George in that 1970 interview

Not really. He actually reprimands Yoko for her catty dismissals of George's Hari leanings ("He still believes in Santa and all that shit").

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 8 December 2005 16:04 (twenty years ago)

He's very reluctant to praise George's new album or to praise George at all, his attitude was "Well he was in a band with two genius songwriters, he's bound to have picked up something". In some ways, it's the tone of his voice when talking about George that's most revealing rather than what he actually says.

― We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 8 December 2005 16:07 (twenty years ago)

That is true. Regarding All Things Must Pass, he says something like, "It's OK...it's better than Paul's...it's not the kind of music I'd play at home," haha.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 8 December 2005 16:13 (twenty years ago)

haha and on ringo: "it's good but i wouldn't buy it."

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 8 December 2005 16:14 (twenty years ago)

I know he's generally petulant and antagonistic throughout the interview but he sounds really "Oh fuck, look I just can't be bothered" when asked about George - mind you, he was probably sick by then of everyone going on about how good "All Things Must Pass" was.

― We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 8 December 2005 16:16 (twenty years ago)

There's some funny stuff in In His Own Write/A Spaniard in the Works like "The Fat Growth on Eric Hearble."

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 8 December 2005 16:37 (twenty years ago)

POP STARS IN POST-BREAKUP CATTINESS SHOCKAH

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 December 2005 16:39 (twenty years ago)

so much hate . . .

I was 6 yrs old when he died. My mom woke me up, crying, and just handed me the newspaper 'LENNON SHOT DEAD.' It was a very sad day.

― Miss Misery xox (MissMiseryTX), Thursday, 8 December 2005 16:39 (twenty years ago)

My dad told me Cosell had just announced it on Monday Night Football, and I didn't remotely believe him. I spent the rest of the night writing a paper for school and listening to Vin Scelsa play John stuff on WNEW-FM.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 December 2005 16:42 (twenty years ago)

does the world REALLY need another excuse for mawkish boomer nostalgia?

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 8 December 2005 16:45 (twenty years ago)

Lester Bangs' obit was the best. If I can find it, I'll post it.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 8 December 2005 16:47 (twenty years ago)

... it's been posted already on ILM

― We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 8 December 2005 16:54 (twenty years ago)

Nostalgia memorializes dumb effluvia like bad clothes and The Brady Bunch.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 December 2005 16:57 (twenty years ago)

The BBC World Service news just said: "Ceremonies have been held around the world to commemorate the death of the British Museum... the death of the British musician John Lennon".

Argh, a Spaniard in the works!

― Momus (Momus), Thursday, 8 December 2005 17:35 (twenty years ago)

Momus, don't be jealous of Spaniard.

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Thursday, 8 December 2005 17:39 (twenty years ago)

I have to share this, from the commentary page of our island paper, "The Vineyard Gazette."

Remembering John Lennon And a Night 25 Years Ago

It was a cold December evening 25 years ago. I was driving home from my brother's when I heard on the radio that John Lennon had been murdered in New York city.
I pulled to the side of the road...
...A quarter century later his life still resonates in my soul. The anniversary of his death haunts me throughout the holiday season. I'm fortunate to have grown up with his music, but still saddened by his untimely death, 25 years ago this week.
Six months ago my dental hygienist wanted to schedule me for a late autumn appointment. I said, "Make it Dec. 8. That's a day I won't forget."

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Saturday, 10 December 2005 16:22 (twenty years ago)

9/11 colonoscopy, anyone?

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Saturday, 10 December 2005 16:23 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...

Damn. You people are cold, cold hearted. Except for Beth.

― humansuit, Saturday, 19 May 2007 01:45 (nineteen years ago)

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