Is racism a particularly large problem in Australia?

i'm completely talking out of my ass, but i'd be surprised if racism was really any more prevalent in australia than in, say, france or the u.s.

The whole thing's suddenly exploded into a mess.

.. what was meant by this?

Actually, this pattern exists in the U.S. as well. People lower in the pecking order often look for an even more vulnerable population to push down. "I may be ______, but at least I'm not ______."

Humanity, in many ways, sucks, essentially.

Bunch of them ended up in my parents home town. Some time shortly after my parents house was robbed (a petty minor "steal cash and thats it" breakin) for the first time ever (20+ years). Can you guess who they blamed? I was furious at them.

so back to sydney. everyone i know in sydney is rascist to some degree. like there will be a whole lot of comments on how asians cant drive or lebanese guys are greasy or the greeks will rip you off if the south african jews dont get to you first. and theres not even a pause afterward like might happen if something slipped out and you were afraid you'd offended people.

i spent a good chunk of my late teens/early twenties calling people on this sort of talk but I ended up being the person everyone looked down upon. like i was throwing an unnecessary spanner in the works. but heres something i noticed after a while. this man i know, judging solely on what comes out of his mouth, is probably the worst rascist i have ever met but when he comes to meet someone asian, lebanese, whatever he treats them exactly the same as he would any white australian. theres nothing put-on about it. hes absolutely genuine. after i first noticed that, i noticed the same from other people.

im not saying that perpertuating a whole lot of stereotypes isnt bad enough, but the majority of australians i know act a whole lot different than they talk when it comes to race.

Thank god racism has been eliminated in Asia and Africa. No danger of being beaten to death with sticks along with 500,000 of your tribesmen in Central Africa because you're from the wrong group.

No looing down on of Tamils or Vietnamese by differently complected bretheren to the north.

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Thats a point I am very glad you brought up. I guess people would call that "casual racism" but yeah, my dad is like that. He is seriously a good hearted, nice, polite person with no actual prejudices about anyone when it comes down to it. Does this stop him from saying "lots of hymies out today" in my neighbourhood or calling the chinese shopkeepers next door "dim" and "sim"? No, it doesnt. I call him on it EVERY time he says it, and I am very angry about it - but he is HONESTLY BAFFLED and means no harm by it.

That casual, "its just words" kind of racism is very aussie. I think maybe somehow it is encouraged by our "humour through insults" way of life perhaps. I had a brit ex who was horrified at how we all spoke to each other here, calling each other 'fattey' and "shithead" and etc.

All that said, these semantics are nothing in the face of the accounts I'vebeen reading abt the Cronulla beach riots.

Apparenltly THOUSANDS of white locals converged on the beach with every intent of harrasing/screaming/hitting the Lebanese locals off the beach. And then they did. They smashed bottles, kicked people, chased kids in huge mobs, and trashed the mall. I*YD&DSTF^SDF

the Liberal MP for the area went on ABC radio to explain that it was actually revenge from white people for September 11 though. So that's alright then, sorted.

Ive been reading the email to crikey.com.au thats appeared on a few blogs from a horrified bystander who watched it all unfold and jeez. Talk about a blind mob.

Apparently a lot of that violence was skinhead gangs or some crap.

Thankfully, we live in slightly more enlightened times...but the whole bogan underclass still remains and came out in force on Sydney on Sunday. The same bogan underclass that hates "un-ostralian shit, mate" and intelligence. The same bogan underclass that actually give Pauline Hanson her fifteen minutes of ill-gotten fame before John Howard took her policies wholesale. The same bogan underclass who gives us this ultra-neo-conservative federal government that ironically will make their pathetic lives even more worthless. And they'll vote 'em in again and again.

im really suprised this didn't happen sooner. every summer all you would hear is 'look at all the fuckin' wogs driving from blacktown to our beach! go home!'.the sutherland shire is like a world of its own and its completely entrenched in hate. you really couldnt pay me enough to go back to cronulla.

KHE SAHN!

Clifton Evers, a lecturer in gender studies at the University of Sydney, said the dominant male ego was a highly regarded part of surf culture and the Cronulla riot was an attempt to maintain ownership of the beach.

He dismissed the attack on the North Cronulla lifesavers as the trigger for Sunday's melee, saying the surf culture and the lifesaving movement were often at loggerheads over the use of waves and there was little love lost between both groups.

"The SLSC movement and surfing is a male world grown out of control. Listening to the guys' chants on Sunday, it's clear the protest was an inversion of victimhood," Dr Evers said.

"They kept saying: 'Our world is under attack, our woman need defending, our way of life was under attack.' Of course, nothing of the sort was going on. The whole thing is an attempt to shore up the privileges they enjoy as gatekeepers of the beach culture."

Dr Evers thought that what perhaps the riot displayed most was the power of mateship.

"Most of those guys wouldn't have had a clue. They could be wound up by all the fascist groups in the world and wouldn't know. But they could have been there because one of their mates reckons the outsiders [needed] to be taught a lesson," he said. "And, you know, all those young blokes driving to the beach suburbs in their cars from the western suburbs to fight are being driven by the same thing - mateship.

"You hate who your mates hate. In Australia, mateship is stronger than racism."

Gotta say, on my recent visit Australia gave the impression of being more inclusive and multicultural than it was five years ago during my last trip. I noticed a couple of things in the media examining the country's reputation for racism, and there seemed to be an effort being made to move away from old attitudes. Then again I basically stuck to metropolitan areas this time. Have you noticed a change in your time there, Jabba/Pete?

Mr Nicholson said on his blog digitalOZ he made the discovery by accident after misspelling an acronym.

lol, it is kind of hilarious how explanations like this make the explainer seem about a bazillion times more guilty

everything you've heard about australia being backwards and fucking bigoted is absolutely true

there are plenty of good people here but fuck the braindead majority that lives on murdoch drivel and votes for the shittiest most revolting fucking bigots they can find

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/aug/15/australian-party-leader-hails-speech-calling-for-final-solution-on-muslim-migration

Is racism a particularly large problem in Australia?

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What do you reckon?

that is the best movie villain in a minute

This seems a real Sydney thing though. This shit just doesn't happen anywhere else, only Sydney. I don't know why.

bet Trayce feels foolish now that rampant African gangs have made it impossible for anyone to go to dinner in Melbourne

Hahaha yeah I read that post and loled a bit.

Fuck me Jon was an asshole. D'you know he was even worse off-board to me - he used to send me screeds of abuse on Messenger and then turn around and demand to know what I looked like in my underpants :/

Apparently Katter's background is lebanese BTW.

Katter's paternal grandfather, Carl Katter, was a Lebanese immigrant; his other grandparents were Australian.[4][5] Despite his family history, Katter regards defining his grandfather as Lebanese as a racist slander.[6]

You couldn't make this guy up tbh.

During their 1964 Australian tour, The Beatles were pelted by eggs from some unknown assailants. Katter, then a university student, later came forward and admitted his involvement.

... he's not all bad then.

In November 1989, Katter claimed there were almost no homosexuals in North Queensland. He promised to walk backwards from Bourke if they represented more than 0.001 percent of the population.

... and yet.

Hahahaha I remember that! Stupid old cnut.

Katter is a crazed loon who is a complete joke to just about everyone in Australia under the age of 65 bar some support in the racist Deep North. He's as representative of Australia in about the same way that Tommy Robinson is representative of the UK.

There's a huge amount of racism in Australia. But having lived for long periods in both France and the UK, I don't personally think the problem is any bigger in Australia than it is in those two countries. I've certainly encountered a lot of shocking, barefaced racism in France. If I was an Arab, and I had the choice to live in either Australia or France, I know which one I'd choose.

There's less of that barefaced insults type here (yer Blair Cottrels and whatnot aside) but there's a real creep of everyday people hating on, as an example, outspoken Aus Muslims for daring to have an opinion on their own country. The avalanche of shit copped by Yassmin Abdel-Magied was just pathetic. Thing is, I cant work out if thats not just racism but also a weird prickly insular protectiveness, if you poke ANYTHING to do with ANZACs/soldiers/the war a certain set of the community goes INSANE. And they aren't all old people either - I see it from a lot of young white men (well, if nasty facebook abuse is anything to go by anyway)

And while in her case, that was genuine racism ("how dare a MUSLIM tell us how to think on ANZAC day go back to yr own country rarrr froth"), its also happened to people like ... I forget her name, the gappy toothed feminist comedian who got in hot water for razzing on ANZACs a few years back.

This whole ORSTRAYLIAN VALUUZ bullshit gets on my tits.

Yes if I was going to implant an assassination compulsion in a Manchurian-Candidate-style operative, I'd make sure it was triggered by the word "mateship".

http://www.theshovel.com.au/2018/08/16/government-denounces-blatant-racism-calls-for-return-to-thinly-veiled-racism/

“This sort of speech has no place in Australia’s parliament in 2018, or in Melbourne for that matter, where it’s impossible to grab a coffee these days without being accosted by a Sudanese criminal”.

Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton echoed the Prime Minister’s comments. “I never once used the term ‘White Australia Policy’ when suggesting that white South Africans asylum seekers should be given preference over non-white asylum seekers. Mr Anning should be ashamed,” he said.

Yep that's pretty much pitch perfect! Dutton is absolute scum but it's Turnbull the enabler that really makes my blood boil

Dutton is what it says on the tin - a QLD copper.

I hate him so much.

Fkn potato

Dutton is a a prize cnut. I hope we run him out on a rail he next time he sets foot in Melbourne.

The Sudanese consulate is up the high street from home. I feel like popping in with tray of coffees.

Katter is a crazed loon who is a complete joke to just about everyone in Australia under the age of 65 bar some support in the racist Deep North. He's as representative of Australia in about the same way that Tommy Robinson is representative of the UK.

There's a huge amount of racism in Australia. But having lived for long periods in both France and the UK, I don't personally think the problem is any bigger in Australia than it is in those two countries. I've certainly encountered a lot of shocking, barefaced racism in France. If I was an Arab, and I had the choice to live in either Australia or France, I know which one I'd choose.

Tommy Robinson's not an elected politician, also he's just out of prison. You're probably on safer ground with France.

So racist speech-maker Anning got 19 votes to get elected to the Senate? lol

Senate preference deals and fucking wieird. People have no idea who they are voting for.

Lazy fuckers need to number the boxes. How-to-vote cards are for cunts.

I forget her name, the gappy toothed feminist comedian who got in hot water for razzing on ANZACs a few years back.
Catherine Deveny?

Yumi Stynes also copped it over insulting Aussie Hero(tm) Ben Roberts-Smith. George Negus got off easy. I wonder why.

(Ben's having his own problems come to light recently.)

Yes, Deveny. I'm not a fan of hers but she shouldntve copped the shit she did over that.

White supremacist former cop about to be PM. What a fucking shambles

ffs

Former Queensland copper more to the point,.

Alan Jones using the n-word on radio - welcome to the lucky country!!!!!!!

No Alan, pretty sure you can’t use that expression. pic.twitter.com/B6X42t8GPH

— David Woiwod (@DavidWoiwod) August 23, 2018

well, if it wasn't a particularly large problem before, it's about to be now

now it seems as thoough scomo will challenge dutton. goodness me we really are spoiled for choice!

ScoMo vs Dutton. Never did I envisage the day when ScoMo might seem the best candidate

Oh why wont Alan Jones just die of a heart attack already.

69 to 68 against referring Dutton’s eligibility to the high court, Trumble cast the deciding vote

fuck me, i guess I may as well just burn both passports, really lucked out with the US and Aus

so who thinks Dutton will call an election in two months, wait until May, or piss off everyone and push it until November 2019?

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I voted in SF in 2013, let’s meet at the embassy and have a 13-hour FAP afterward Veg

lol

parliamentary citizenship fiasco revealed that I’m probably an NZ citizen, gotta go to LA to check at their embassy before the midterms

srs?

if Ludlam’s dad’s immigration made him a dual citizen, mine should have

(he died 24 yrs ago so I can’t check any details with him)

🚨 dude that runs concentration camps loses to dude that started concentration camps

gastro vs dysentery

Here's what I don't understand - why did those 3 senators rock up to the press yesterday and resign on the grounds that "Turnbull no longer has the numbers", and yet the spill motion result was 45-40 - meaning Turnbull would've had the numbers to block the spill, but for those 3 senators?

ScoMo's LNP I presume - well, I shouldn't, but I hope, I guess - will lose the election, which will probably mean that Dutton, Abbott & their cronies will start to say that the election would've been winnable had the LNP pandered further to racists under Sgt Dutton. I suppose it's still a better outcome than Dutton as PM now, but when "catastrophic mess resulting in bigoted moron becoming PM" still works out to be the preferred option then its hard to feel any relief.

Also fuck turnbull forever for so many reasons but especially the way he's going to claim marriage equality as his great legacy. He did everything he could to slow down that change and protect himself, and put hundreds of thousands of people (me included) through hell in the process.