My PC died - should I get a Mac?

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Fan got louder, then the damn thing just went dead - lights on mouse, keyboard and signal to monitor all went dead. Not it switches on, in that the light comes on, but nothing happens, none of the peripherals light up, it still says "no signal" to the monitor. IT guy at work says it's probably the PCU, whatever that is, and is probably salvageable. However, what if it isn't? Also, it's 2 and 1/2 years old and I'd vaguelly intended to replace it this year anyway, just not in January.

J has been on at me to go Mac for ages. So has Emma.

iBook? Mac Mini? I have a keyboard and monitor (obviously)...

Advice, please.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 09:19 (twenty years ago)

Aren't mac in the process of launching an all-new Intel-driven laptop for under £500?

― Hello Sunshine (Hello Sunshine), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 09:24 (twenty years ago)

The new iMac is pretty swanky.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 09:30 (twenty years ago)

The MacBook Pro's start at £1,400!

http://store.apple.com/Apple/WebObjects/ukstore.woa/9201809/wo/cB2pxPUb4Kud2c7cW712o0vE2LN/0.SLID?mco=A9B2084&nclm=MacBook

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 09:46 (twenty years ago)

I am in much the same spot as Nick, and am increasingly tempted just to get a current, non-intel iBook, but it seems so much like common sense that the prices will fall over the next few weeks (ahead of the introduction of an intel iBook) that I'm holding off. I have no idea whether this makes any sense or not.

― Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 09:57 (twenty years ago)

I have the iMAC G5 with frontrow (which is GREAT) and a built-in iSIGHT. I love it. Uh, I think the new laptop would be even GREATER. I'd def wait and get the intel ones.

― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 09:58 (twenty years ago)

Why are people who like Macs so pleased that the loathed Intel will be making their computers?

― Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 10:09 (twenty years ago)

It's a good processor. The best in the low power class. For a long time the Power PC was the best.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 10:11 (twenty years ago)

why do you loathe intel, markelby?

― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 10:12 (twenty years ago)

Personally I'm more intrigued to know if they can get their iSIGHT cam working with iCHAT. I've done an update and will be trying it out today.

― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 10:15 (twenty years ago)

apple seem to have an uncanny knack of releasing new products when they've completely sold out their previous range - thus avoiding having to put anything on sale. 20 and 40gig ipods for example vanished completely prior to the release of the 30 and 60 gigs and I bet the same will happen with existing ibook/powerbook models.

― barbarian cities (jaybob3005), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 10:18 (twenty years ago)

But there are iBooks in stock in every electronics store everywhere, and surely there aren't going to be that many people (at this slow time of the retail year) running into the shops to buy products which will soon be outdated, are there?

I didn't know intel were loathed. I still don't know that they are.

― Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 10:21 (twenty years ago)

I think markelby loathes them because of the ding-dong

― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 10:22 (twenty years ago)

All I need is something to write on, fast and wireless net access, and run my iPod off. I'm not interested in video editing or blahblahblah, I just need to write and get online.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 10:22 (twenty years ago)

Get a pen and modem.

― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 10:37 (twenty years ago)

And the iPod?

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 10:38 (twenty years ago)

stick it up your arse

― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 10:38 (twenty years ago)

sorry

― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 10:38 (twenty years ago)

How serious/expensive is a power supply blowing? I suppose it's a case of what it might have taken with it when it died. Surely cheaper than a new machine, though?

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 10:43 (twenty years ago)

get a mac.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 10:43 (twenty years ago)

Michael - this is U&K; Also, it's 2 and 1/2 years old and I'd vaguelly intended to replace it this year anyway, just not in January.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 10:45 (twenty years ago)

I don't loathe them per se, but as a PC buyer of some years, I have always favoured AMD who seem to provide cheaper, better processors. And mayeb I just assumed that Mac lovers loathed every part of the Wintel hegemony by default. Thanks for clarifying.

― Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 10:47 (twenty years ago)

AMD are crap at low power consumption chips for laptops etc. but very good for workstation/server high end PC chips.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 10:56 (twenty years ago)

Hmmm...

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 11:52 (twenty years ago)

Mac lovers

the evolution from OS9 to OSX and the inherent abandonment of so many of the original principles of the macintosh proved to me, in an unguarded moment, that we mac-lovers are a bunch of saps who have no real rational basis for our adulation ;)

that said, i had to use a windows machine for a few minutes the other day and it managed to suck, blow and honk mightily in a whole range of ways i wouldn't really have thought possible.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 12:06 (twenty years ago)

I don't like macs

― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 12:09 (twenty years ago)

Fair enough. (I hope you've backed up all those smashing pictures, Nick. Or is Photobucket your backup?)

Price-wise, how do yr iBooks (or whatever they're called) compare with entry-level Sony VAIOs? We're very happy with our VAIO (had to get a PC as there's little, if any, subtitling software available for Mac).

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 12:09 (twenty years ago)

If don't have any real need for power, buy a Mac Mini and see if you like it. If you don't, you'll probably be able to sell it for near the retail price. It's hard to give any specific recommendations since I don't know what you are going to use it for and how.

― Simon Larsson (C-mon), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 12:09 (twenty years ago)

I need a computer for word processing, internet access, occasional DVD viewing, running my (two year old) iPod, loading photos off my Canon Ixus 430, and... That's about it. Being able to piss about in Garageband would be fun. Portability would be a bonus if I intend to travel more - Apple wireless connections seem to patch into networks so easily that I could happily use an iBook in a hotel abroad, aye?

I am not into making software or screwing around with graphics or video particularly. I'm not a "computer enthusiast", I'm a computer user.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 14:02 (twenty years ago)

I don't think anyone who actually has to use computers to a serious degree ends up *enthusiastic* about them.

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 14:09 (twenty years ago)

one tip... if you or someone else near and dear is a student be sure to look into the education discounts, helps take the edge of apple premium

― secondhandnews (secondhandnews), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 14:18 (twenty years ago)

Even though I had a major hard disk meltdown yesterday on my G4, I would still recommend a Mac. All my hassles to come in the next few days are because of User Error (ie, not backing up my data properly). If you like your kbd/monitor well enough, a Mac Mini would be a good way to go.

― truck-patch pixel farmer (Rock Hardy), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 14:32 (twenty years ago)

also: buy from john lewis, if possible. free two-year warranty.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 14:37 (twenty years ago)

My girlfriend is a student so that's a definite possibility. She also works part-time for the company that do John Lewis online orders, but sadly because of that is blacklisted from buying stuff at John Lewis, cos she could refund herself!

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 14:52 (twenty years ago)

Yes.

The education discount in the US is typically $100 off computers and $50 off iPods.

Where do you find normal Intel PCs lacking, currently?

― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 11 January 2006 15:01 (twenty years ago)

Me? The fact that it died on me last night and I was considering replacing it anyway, and my computer expert friend keeps imploring me to go Mac after having gone Mac himself a couple of years ago.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 15:05 (twenty years ago)

and they look pretty

right deny it all you like thats my reason

― secondhandnews (secondhandnews), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 15:14 (twenty years ago)

Oh yeah, they're fucking gorgeous and cool too.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 15:16 (twenty years ago)

what principles did the move to OS X abandon!?

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 15:22 (twenty years ago)

except for, i guess "operating systems should be weak because that's the only way to make them usable"?

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 15:23 (twenty years ago)

Macs have a BSD core. End of story (for me, anyway).

― tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 15:24 (twenty years ago)

wtf is s BSD core?

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 15:37 (twenty years ago)

Erm, something I imagine you will never care about! Don't worry. Concentrate on the quest of the widget, my son

― tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 15:41 (twenty years ago)

dont be stupid. you cant go to a mac after a PC. unless youre generally self righteous and under some delusion that macintosh isnt as 'evil' as microsoft. macs are fine but nothing works on them. its a pain in the ass.

― sunny successor (katharine), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 15:42 (twenty years ago)

what principles did the move to OS X abandon!?

well: the notion that everything should be do-able through the GUI, for a start. far too many apple knowledgebase articles require you to start fucking around in unix.

don't get me wrong: i'm writing this on an OS9 machine at work and i would give both testicles and at least half an arm for OSX. but a lot of the essential "macness" - the uniform look-and-feel, the simplicity - was sacrificed in the name of power.

stet is very good on this stuff. i assume he'll turn up here soon.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 15:43 (twenty years ago)

Steve Jobs sold something like 35 million iPods last year = he is evil.

ALSO WTF IS THE WIDGET?

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 15:43 (twenty years ago)

the problem with all unix-based OS's that I've used is that the "finder" app becomes nothing more than a sad shell of the command line, incapable of doing most of the things you can do from the terminal and also incapable of doing most of the things you can do in Windows Explorer, which is a much much much more robust (pathetically so, really) successor to the OS 9>= Finder than the excruciatingly useless OS X Finder (so useless that people have written third-party replacements for the fuckin' thing (and some first party replacements for dealing with "photos" and "tunes").

― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 11 January 2006 15:46 (twenty years ago)

Basically in OS 9 and previous I did EVERYTHING in the Finder and I was comfortable with it and it was how I accessed all my files and managed them, now it's this ugly stupid program that's good for absolutely nothing besides being an extra bouncy-bubbles obstacle I'm forced to endure between firing up the machine and doing ANYTHING with it.

― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 11 January 2006 15:48 (twenty years ago)

after growing up with macs, i bought a PC notebook when i moved here because it was cheaper. that thing was nothing but problems. got a powebook last xmas and haven't had any real problems with it (especially when compared to toby, who has a vaio that is somewhat possessed by satan). if you want something easy and fun and pretty, buy a mac.

― colette (a2lette), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 15:48 (twenty years ago)

I'd rather place my own hand on a burning, uh, burner on a stove top for 15 minutes than purchase another Macintosh computer.

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 15:50 (twenty years ago)

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i'm in the states now, actually!

it does seem like quite a no-brainer to go with one of these rather than a pc, although i'm a little worried about the size of it - it doesn't feel too heavy, but it just looks huge!

― toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 12:16 (twenty years ago)

With Boot Camp, there's no reason not to get a Mac if you want one and can afford the premium is costs.

If I had the cash and wanted a new laptop, i'd be getting a MacBook Pro.

― Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 13:03 (twenty years ago)

it would be paid for by a grant, so the cash isn't really an issue, either. i guess i'm pretty much talking myself into getting one.

― toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 13:21 (twenty years ago)

Well Boot Camp allows you to install XP along side OSX so go for it.

― Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 13:45 (twenty years ago)

oh, i guess one question is: when are they likely to bring out other sizes of the macbooks? it occurs to me that a 12" one might be a little more convenient than the one that's available at the moment, which looks great but feels like it might be a bit big for carrying around. on the other hand i don't want to hang around too much, so unless they're likely to bring one out in the next couple of months, i guess i'll go with it.

― toby (tsg20), Thursday, 13 April 2006 11:48 (twenty years ago)

http://www.digg.com/apple/Possible_reference_model_for_12_Macbook_Pro_

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Thursday, 13 April 2006 12:10 (twenty years ago)

ok, i'm going to get the macbook pro! BUT - is it worth an extra $500 for the 2ghz/1gb RAM etc model, or should i just get the smaller one and some extra RAM?

― toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 01:12 (twenty years ago)

RAM is more important but if you can afford the dough, GO FOR IT

― Fight the Real Enemy -- Tasti D-Lite (ex machina), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 03:16 (twenty years ago)

What Jon says.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 05:24 (twenty years ago)

intel ibooks can't be long off now

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 08:43 (twenty years ago)

yeah, that's the impression i get - although it seems unlikely that i'd have one in my hands for a couple of months, which is quite a long time to be laptopless.

― toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 11:53 (twenty years ago)

i think i read that macbooks are popping up in the reconditioned 20% off offers now

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 11:55 (twenty years ago)

I wager they might bump some of the specs on the MacBook when the iBooks are released. People are saying June? *I* haven't heard any noise about new revs of the Core Solo or Duo; so I imagine that any bumps would have to be in disk or ram.

― Fight the Real Enemy -- Tasti D-Lite (ex machina), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 12:58 (twenty years ago)

hmm - if the bumps are just in disk or ram, that's not especially worth waiting for, is it? i always feel when buying computers that i should hang on just a couple more months, but the temptation to get a macbook this weekend is enough that i think i'll need a pretty good reason to hang on.

― toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 13:12 (twenty years ago)

They might put out a 17" model.....

― Fight the Real Enemy -- Tasti D-Lite (ex machina), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 13:16 (twenty years ago)

The iBooks will be smaller and the rumored MacBook Thin might be the best one yet. (here's hoping for thin light, no internal optical dive and decent GPU, docking station)

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 13:18 (twenty years ago)

if I bought a mac in the next year I'd spend 70% of my time running windows on it, I realized

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 13:19 (twenty years ago)

I would love to have a docking station with my optical drive in it. Where is the lame ass mac fanboy speculation on this?

(xpost Games?)

― Fight the Real Enemy -- Tasti D-Lite (ex machina), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 13:20 (twenty years ago)

macbook thin?! what's this? is it likely to come out any time soon?

i think a 17" model might be a bit too big, the existing one seems fairly huge to me.

― toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 13:20 (twenty years ago)

I am psyched to be getting a PROJECTOR for my laptop :D

― Fight the Real Enemy -- Tasti D-Lite (ex machina), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 13:23 (twenty years ago)

no Jon, ARENA and VISIO and other useful Tools Of Industry

but really it's hard to imagine NOT getting an Apple computer at this point even though I hate them but really with the gentoo/osx/windows bootloader they've devised there's absolutely no better hardware for hedging your bets

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 13:33 (twenty years ago)

What do you think the odds are on Leopard having the ability to host virtualized OSes?

― Fight the Real Enemy -- Tasti D-Lite (ex machina), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 13:41 (twenty years ago)

I would love to have a docking station with my optical drive in it. Where is the lame ass mac fanboy speculation on this?

Unfortunately there is none, Basically I want a Core Duo Duo (Duo 280c was pretty much my favorite Mac ever). I've been on other forums requestion such but no actual speculation other than the rumors of a MB thin.

Basically I'd like a thin and light laptop with a doscking station, what would be great is if they could extend the PCIe bus to the docking station (the Duo one had a NuBus slot IIRC), so I could have chunky graphics whilst docked (and a chunky fast HD) and low power, long battery life optimised graphics on the move and some clever software to keep the dock's HD and MBThin's HD synchronised, but with ceratin things left off (iTunes style tick boxes in the finder for example), because I don't want all of my work or tunes or whatever on the move, only what is necessary. What would be even smarter would be if the dock could run a lightwieght server so if you forgot anything, it could be retrieved over the internet.

Apple should give me a job.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 13:45 (twenty years ago)

No Ed they should give me a job

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 13:53 (twenty years ago)

Cupertino sucks, Ed

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 13:53 (twenty years ago)

They can employ me out of their Paris office.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 13:56 (twenty years ago)

I am going to quit my job to work at the genius bar to score with NYU cokehead babes

― Fight the Real Enemy -- Tasti D-Lite (ex machina), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 14:11 (twenty years ago)

No all of you, they should give me a job.

― LOL Thomas (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 15:41 (twenty years ago)

I use both platforms and have found that Macintosh is far easier than a PC.
My husband (who was a PC head) did not want 1 thing to do with a mac.
His PC died and he started using my Macintosh - much to his disgust.
He would NEVER go back to a P.C as a Mac is just to easy to use (his words).

I run some pretty heavy software and it always ALWAYS handles it.

So, the decision.... Ultimately yours.
My suggestion TEST DRIVE ONE - Once you've MAC you'lll NEVER go back.

Enjoy

― tracy-lee, Friday, 21 April 2006 08:11 (twenty years ago)

I use both platforms and have found that Macintosh is far easier than a PC.
My husband (who was a PC head) did not want anything to do with a mac.
His PC died and he started using my Macintosh - much to his disgust.
He would NEVER go back to a P.C as a Mac is just to easy to use (his words).

I run some pretty heavy software and it always ALWAYS handles it.

So, the decision.... Ultimately yours.
My suggestion TEST DRIVE ONE - Once you've MAC you'lll NEVER go back.

Enjoy

― tracy-lee, Friday, 21 April 2006 08:12 (twenty years ago)

Once you've MACed, surely.

We've been street-teamed!

(also - genuine question - can you test drive a computer, like, borrow it and see how well it suits your needs?)

― Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 21 April 2006 08:22 (twenty years ago)

Virtualisation sounds pretty like for 10.5, I reckon. But they're definitely going to shoot the non-Pro macs in the head by using the shitty on-chip graphics cards with them.

Markelby -- not from Apple, but you can lounge around the Apple store all day, doing pretty much whatever with the macs ther.

― stet (stet), Friday, 21 April 2006 09:28 (twenty years ago)

pretty likely

― stet (stet), Friday, 21 April 2006 09:28 (twenty years ago)

Someone was saying that the 10.5 virtualisation will probably capitalise on dual-core gubbins to let one OS run on each chip, making it all whizzy.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 21 April 2006 09:36 (twenty years ago)

No point, VT is cleverer than that and will hand out threads on both cores as required. Partitioning between the cores would be more inefficient.

VT is already here with parallels and is very good.

― Ed (dali), Friday, 21 April 2006 09:56 (twenty years ago)

re: test drive, did the apple store stop that "pick up the mini for free" and pay in 30 days thing?

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Friday, 21 April 2006 10:04 (twenty years ago)

Alba, that is pretty unlikely considering that moth OSes need to do their own virtual memory magic.

― JW (ex machina), Friday, 21 April 2006 10:13 (twenty years ago)

Oh, well it was Wil Harris on the TWiT podcast 49:

http://twit.tv/49

Around 13:45, if you're interested. Maybe I misunderstood what he was saying.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 21 April 2006 10:23 (twenty years ago)

I'm not even going to listen to that. Shockingly, many tech reporters do not have any background in computer architecture.

― JW (ex machina), Friday, 21 April 2006 10:30 (twenty years ago)

mmm virtualisation.

At work I have an IBM box which runs 2 virtual servers with AIX on, it's sexy.

― Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Friday, 21 April 2006 12:22 (twenty years ago)

There was an article recently about how Windows is taking such a long time to come up with a new OS, because they believe in backwards compatability, whereas Mas decided in OSX to basically overthrow 9. When the nice Apple men deleted everything off my computer they also swiped my OS9. I can't decide if I should shell out the money for MS Office. I've just been using the little Apple Works crap, but my professors are addicted to Powerpoint like there is no tomorrow. I feel so sorry for the college kids of today, having to sit through so many power point lectures. It was much better squinting at the blackboard, trying to make out what was there. And what is Pages--is that freeware?

Oh and Tracer, I tried your little txt trick, but the text turned into squiggly lines.

― Mary (Mary), Friday, 21 April 2006 23:59 (twenty years ago)

Pages is apple's word processing/amateur dtp package, it is not a word replacement, it is not free unfortunately. Keynote could replace powerpoint although that limits you to presenting on a Mac. You could try wrestling with open office but basically yeah, you are going to have to buy office if you want everything that office does and compatibility with your professors. There's a hefty student/educator discount i believe and your school may have some kind of super cheap licensing scheme. It will also wind you up something chronic. the best word processor ever was word 5.1 on the Mac, everything else since then has been a bloated mess.

― Ed (dali), Saturday, 22 April 2006 06:40 (twenty years ago)

Word 5.1 was great!

The *reason* Word 5.1 for Mac was so much better than later versions is that it was the last version written specifically *for* the Mac. Later ones, from 6.0 onwards, were ported from the Windows version, and performed terribly.

5.1, though, was a descendant of the original Mac version of Word, which was practically the only non-Apple application you could buy when the Mac was released.

(the reason Word for Windows had a big jump in its version number up to 6.0 was to match Word for Mac's version numbering).

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Saturday, 22 April 2006 06:49 (twenty years ago)

open office based wordclones are crazy easy to install and use + compatible with word these days.

if you just want to read power point presentations, you can download a free viewer program from microsoft, i recall.

current real word is pretty bloated yeah, but it runs decently.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Saturday, 22 April 2006 13:23 (twenty years ago)

i still have word 5.1 on my old powerbook. it fucking rocks. stet, give me my powerbook back so i can use it ;)

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Saturday, 22 April 2006 19:52 (twenty years ago)

Do we really need Word 5.1? I'm happy to write a letter to the bank in plain old stereo.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Saturday, 22 April 2006 19:56 (twenty years ago)

i just bought a macbook pro :-) seems pretty great so far...

― toby (tsg20), Saturday, 22 April 2006 20:35 (twenty years ago)

two months pass...

Okay so I've decided to get a MAC this week. I like the look of the 20" Intel imac, and there is a hefty discount on it "refurbished" on the Apple UK store. Has anyone had any experience of buying refurbished from Apple?

― JohnFoxxsJuno (JohnFoxxsJuno), Monday, 10 July 2006 07:28 (nineteen years ago)

Rufurb is often pretty good and has the bonus that it will have had whatever major kink it had ironed out. There is probably better quality control on Refurb.

― Ed (dali), Monday, 10 July 2006 07:41 (nineteen years ago)

Some (or all?) MacBookPros are *faulty*? Heard a rumour.

― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Monday, 10 July 2006 10:39 (nineteen years ago)

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