i know they know better and think it's funny, and the selection of movies is kind of funny, but it's definitely bordering on Kill Whitey party status
for no other reason than i'm just not in the mood, i'm not going to the party.
― jaxon (jaxon), Monday, 16 January 2006 21:11 (twenty years ago)
― Miss Misery xox (MissMiseryTX), Monday, 16 January 2006 21:14 (twenty years ago)
― Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 16 January 2006 21:21 (twenty years ago)
I'm not even sure I understand the logic here in not wanting your party to coincide with MLK Day. If you're a racist, wouldn't it be a good day to have a party, because then it could be like you were upstaging MLK, taking the day back for your own white celebrations?
― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 16 January 2006 21:23 (twenty years ago)
― adamrl (nordicskilla), Monday, 16 January 2006 21:36 (twenty years ago)
americans in still-being-racist shocker.
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 16 January 2006 21:39 (twenty years ago)
― mike h. (mike h.), Monday, 16 January 2006 21:40 (twenty years ago)
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 16 January 2006 21:43 (twenty years ago)
(On saturday I had collared greens, blackeyed peas on rice, fried chicken and cornbread for lunch, but it had no special signifigance other than being really fucking good.xpost)
― andy ---, Monday, 16 January 2006 21:45 (twenty years ago)
― danielle the animal steel (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 16 January 2006 21:47 (twenty years ago)
― paulhw (paulhw), Monday, 16 January 2006 21:50 (twenty years ago)
― M. White (Miguelito), Monday, 16 January 2006 21:51 (twenty years ago)
Way to go, businesses of the U.S.
― Dom iNut (donut), Monday, 16 January 2006 21:51 (twenty years ago)
i THOUGHT collard was the correct spelling! thank you. i was too lazy to look it up.
― danielle the animal steel (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 16 January 2006 21:51 (twenty years ago)
And if yer friends suck ass, and if they suck ass, well.. they're... no friends of mine.
― Dom iNut (donut), Monday, 16 January 2006 21:53 (twenty years ago)
get thee down south
― Miss Misery xox (MissMiseryTX), Monday, 16 January 2006 21:54 (twenty years ago)
― oldeilx, Monday, 16 January 2006 21:57 (twenty years ago)
― Dan (I Like My Greens In A Brooks Brothers Shirt) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 16 January 2006 21:57 (twenty years ago)
Oh, and this late breaking news: AP Poll: Blacks Likelier to Celebrate MLK Day. YOU DON'T SAY? I thought America was this completely homogenous society that the seers used to prophisize about.
Which reminds me, I gotta call my grandmother tomorrow.
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Monday, 16 January 2006 22:01 (twenty years ago)
― M. White (Miguelito), Monday, 16 January 2006 22:01 (twenty years ago)
we have them here but they're hard to find unless you're at a "southern"/"soul food" restaurant or an old country buffet. it'd be nice to see them on more generic american-food menus, along with the usual burgers and salads and whatnot.
― danielle the animal steel (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 16 January 2006 22:07 (twenty years ago)
― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 16 January 2006 22:09 (twenty years ago)
― M. White (Miguelito), Monday, 16 January 2006 22:09 (twenty years ago)
― danielle the animal steel (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 16 January 2006 22:10 (twenty years ago)
at least we're not spelling them "colored greens"
*runs like hell*
― danielle the animal steel (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 16 January 2006 22:11 (twenty years ago)
― awesome is as awesome does (lucylurex), Monday, 16 January 2006 22:17 (twenty years ago)
NUMMY!
― Dan (LOL At "Colored Greens"!!!!!) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 16 January 2006 22:33 (twenty years ago)
― kingfish kuribo's shoe (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 16 January 2006 22:34 (twenty years ago)
They're, um, greens! Like leafy greens, like spinach. You cook them all soft and yummy with some butter and garlic and maybe some pork thrown in there for extra fatty deliciousness.
My favorite green lately is broccoli rabe, cause of the bitter mustardy quality. Had some serious success with this around Christmas -- whatcha do is you melt a few anchovies in with your butter/garlic before sauteeing it. Something about that bitter bite + a mild fishy/salty quality = total awesomeness.
― nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 16 January 2006 22:39 (twenty years ago)
― nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 16 January 2006 22:41 (twenty years ago)
― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 16 January 2006 22:46 (twenty years ago)
― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 16 January 2006 22:48 (twenty years ago)
Whitey can't win... he throws a party, he's showing disrespect, he don't throw a party, he's showing disrespect.
― DV (dirtyvicar), Monday, 16 January 2006 22:58 (twenty years ago)
― Dan (Death) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 16 January 2006 23:01 (twenty years ago)
― andy ---, Monday, 16 January 2006 23:09 (twenty years ago)
hmmm. my conscience says yes but my taste buds say nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
― danielle the animal steel (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 16 January 2006 23:11 (twenty years ago)
sorry, i typed it into google because i wasn't sure but thought it wasn't right. but it came up w/responses. i'm on my laptop and only now do i notice that just below the fold was "See results for: collard greens"
xpost - that Chicken & Waffle place is no where close to Roscoe's. went there and was bummed
― jaxon (jaxon), Monday, 16 January 2006 23:11 (twenty years ago)
im wondering, is there a way to celebrate MLK jr. Day?
― JD from CDepot, Monday, 16 January 2006 23:12 (twenty years ago)
― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 16 January 2006 23:16 (twenty years ago)
― Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Monday, 16 January 2006 23:17 (twenty years ago)
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 16 January 2006 23:24 (twenty years ago)
― tremendoid (tremendoid), Monday, 16 January 2006 23:29 (twenty years ago)
i wish i still had my all-star king holiday 45 from the 80's.
― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 16 January 2006 23:33 (twenty years ago)
― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 16 January 2006 23:36 (twenty years ago)
― Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Monday, 16 January 2006 23:37 (twenty years ago)
― Dan (Hahahaha) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 16 January 2006 23:39 (twenty years ago)
or where the mail i've sent out isn't being delivered. there are too many such days this time of year.
― danielle the animal steel (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 16 January 2006 23:39 (twenty years ago)
― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 16 January 2006 23:41 (twenty years ago)
isn't there a stevie wonder song about MLK day?
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 16 January 2006 23:43 (twenty years ago)
― danielle the animal steel (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 00:21 (twenty years ago)
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 00:23 (twenty years ago)
― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 00:24 (twenty years ago)
― Dan (Fuck Okra In The Face) Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 00:24 (twenty years ago)
― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 00:25 (twenty years ago)
― don weiner (don weiner), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 00:32 (twenty years ago)
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 00:34 (twenty years ago)
to my surprise, this is the line I felt most deeply while reading this out loud
on a different note, Dan you are crazy about the okra, I guarantee you that I could fry you up an okra dish that would change your mind on the subject
― Mr Straight Toxic (ghostface), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 00:39 (twenty years ago)
Surely that only applies to making money off of it in some way, not posting it on a message board.
― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 01:03 (twenty years ago)
― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 01:07 (twenty years ago)
― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 01:15 (twenty years ago)
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 01:21 (twenty years ago)
And mustard greens >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> turnip greens >> collard greens.
― truck-patch pixel farmer (my crop froze in the field) (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 01:27 (twenty years ago)
― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 01:57 (twenty years ago)
― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 01:58 (twenty years ago)
― truck-patch pixel farmer (my crop froze in the field) (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 02:05 (twenty years ago)
Not sure if it's just when used in for profit publications. The literature book I taught from was only allowed to publish an excerpt.
― Miss Misery xox (MissMiseryTX), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 02:17 (twenty years ago)
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 02:21 (twenty years ago)
― cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 02:27 (twenty years ago)
― cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 02:28 (twenty years ago)
― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 02:38 (twenty years ago)
Well, it's out there on the web, on a page from the National Civil Rights Museum, in the Lorraine Motel in Memphis.
― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 02:41 (twenty years ago)
― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 02:41 (twenty years ago)
― dar1a g (daria g), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 02:46 (twenty years ago)
― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 02:48 (twenty years ago)
The leaves are poorly digestible when raw and cannot be used in salads; they can be blended into a juice, usually in combination with sweet fruit juices to improve the flavor.
That is SO NOT TRUE. I tried that once and it was completely disgusting. But kale or collard greens fried w/garlic and butter are the best.
― dar1a g (daria g), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 02:48 (twenty years ago)
― Morley Timmons (Donna Brown), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 02:56 (twenty years ago)
"they're gonna watch the Jerk, Soulman and eat fried chicken, collared greens and watermelon."
die ironic hipster scum.
― J-rock (Julien Sandiford), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 03:03 (twenty years ago)
― jaxon (jaxon), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 03:52 (twenty years ago)
― Dom iNut (donut), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 04:43 (twenty years ago)
― Maria :D (Maria D.), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 05:12 (twenty years ago)
― Maria :D (Maria D.), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 05:17 (twenty years ago)
― Maria :D (Maria D.), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 05:19 (twenty years ago)
Okra: I think it is a vile, slimy vegetable normally but when you cut it into small rondelles, cover it in corn meal and fry it in bacon fat, it's simply delicious.
― M. White (Miguelito), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 06:40 (twenty years ago)
MW
― M. White (Miguelito), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 06:45 (twenty years ago)
― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 06:47 (twenty years ago)
Baltimore
OFFICIAL celebrations of the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.'s birthday turn 20 years old this week.
Like that of Dr. King's late colleague Rosa Parks, the name behind our 10th national holiday carries more resonance than impact - noble, universal, yet bounded by race and time. The annual King event draws tributes to the end of legal segregation, reprises of landmark oratory and varied appraisals of problems for minorities. Yet despite our high-stakes national commitment to advance free government around the world, we consistently marginalize or ignore Dr. King's commitment to the core values of democracy.
His own words present a vast and urgent landscape for freedom. "No American is without responsibility," Dr. King declared only hours after the 1965 "Bloody Sunday" repulse of voting rights marchers in Selma, Ala. "All are involved in the sorrow that rises from Selma to contaminate every crevice of our national life," he added. "The struggle in Selma is for the survival of democracy everywhere in our land."
His public appeal gathered an overnight host from many states behind a blockaded vigil. When white supremacists beat one volunteer to death with impunity, Dr. King responded with prophetic witness against the grain of violence. "Out of the wombs of a frail world," he assured mourners, "new systems of equality and justice are being born."
Selma released waves of political energy from the human nucleus of freedom. Ordinary citizens ventured across cultural barriers, aroused a transnational conscience and engaged all three branches of government. After the landmark Voting Rights Act of 1965, Dr. King claimed that the distinctive methods of sharecroppers and students had revived nothing less than the visionary heritage of the American Revolution. "The stirring lesson of this age is that mass nonviolent direct action is not a peculiar device for Negro agitation," he told the Synagogue Council of America. "Rather it is a historically validated method for defending freedom and democracy, and for enlarging these values for the benefit of the whole society."
This effusive axiom went unnoticed, but the blessings of freedom did ripple far beyond the black victims of caste. As Dr. King predicted, the civil rights movement liberated segregationists themselves. The integrity of law enforcement rose with a stark decline in racial terror. The Atlanta Braves joined the first professional sports teams to spring up at integrated stadiums, and business radiated Sun Belt growth into a region of historic poverty. In elections, new black voters generated the 20th century's first two-party competition to displace the ossified regimes of white supremacy. The stigma of segregation no longer curtailed a Southerner's chances for high national office, and fresh candidates rose swiftly to leadership in both national parties.
Parallel tides opened doors for the first female students at some universities and most private colleges, then the military academies. In 1972, civil rights agitation over doctrines of equal souls produced the first public ordination of a female rabbi in the United States, and the Episcopal Church soon introduced female clergy members in spite of schismatic revolts to preserve religious authority for men. Pauli Murray, a lawyer who was one of the pioneer priests, had pursued a legal appeal that in 1966 overturned several state laws flatly prohibiting jury service by women. "The principle announced seems so obvious today," Dr. Murray would write in a memoir, "that it is difficult to remember the dramatic break the court was making."
Overseas, as an amalgam of forces suddenly dissolved the Soviet empire atop its mountain of nuclear weapons, Dr. King's message echoed in the strains of "We Shall Overcome" heard along the Berlin Wall and the streets of Prague. Likewise, South African apartheid melted without the long-dreaded racial Armageddon, on miraculous healing words from a former prisoner, Nelson Mandela. Students shocked the world from Tiananmen Square with nonviolent demonstrations modeled on American sit-ins, planting seeds of democracy within the authoritarian shell of Chinese Communism.
These and other sweeping trends from the civil rights era have transformed daily life in many countries, and now their benefit is scarcely contested. Yet the political discourse behind them is atrophied. Public service has fallen into sad disrepute. Spitballs pass for debate. Comedians write the best-selling books on civics. Dr. King's ideas are not so much rebutted as cordoned off or begrudged, and for two generations his voice of anguished hope has given way to a dominant slogan that government itself is bad.
Above all, no one speaks for nonviolence. Indeed, the most powerful discipline from the freedom movement was the first to be ridiculed across the political spectrum. "A hundred political commentators have interred nonviolence into a premature grave," Dr. King complained after Selma. The concept seemed alien and unmanly. It came to embarrass many civil rights veterans themselves, even though nonviolence lies at the heart of democracy.
Every ballot - the most basic element of free government - is by definition a piece of nonviolence, symbolizing hard-won or hopeful consent to raise politics above anarchy and war. The boldest principles of democratic character undergird the civil rights movement's nonviolent training. James Madison, arguing to ratify the Constitution in 1788, summoned "every votary of freedom to rest all our political experiments on the capacity of mankind for self-government," and he added that no form of government can secure liberty "without virtue in the people."
By steeling themselves to endure blows without retaliation, and remaining steadfastly open to civil contact with their oppressors, civil rights demonstrators offered shining examples of the revolutionary balance that launched the American system: self-government and public trust. All the rest is careful adjustment.
Like Madison, the marchers from Selma turned rulers and subjects into fellow citizens. A largely invisible people offered leadership in the role of modern founders. For an incandescent decade, from 1955 to 1965, the heirs of slavery lifted the whole world toward freedom.
Weariness and war intruded. In the White House, President Lyndon Johnson wrestled the political subtleties of sending soldiers to guarantee liberty at home. "Troops leave a bitter taste in the mouths of all the people," cautioned Defense Secretary Robert McNamara. The president moaned simultaneously over predictions of bloody stalemate if he sent troops to Vietnam, saying the prospect "makes the chills run up my back," but he succumbed to schoolyard politics. The American people, he feared, "will forgive you for everything except being weak."
Lamenting religious leaders who accommodated the war, Dr. King defended nonviolence on two fronts. "Have they forgotten that my ministry is in obedience to the one who loved his enemies so fully that he died for them?" he asked. "What then can I say to the Vietcong, or to Castro, or to Mao...? Can I threaten them with death or must I not share with them my life?" In politics, Dr. King endorsed a strategic alternative to violence. "We will stop communism by letting the world know that democracy is a better government than any other government," he told his congregation, "and by making justice a reality for all of God's children."
Pressures intensified within Dr. King's own movement. To battered young colleagues who wondered why nonviolence was consigned mostly to black people, while others admired James Bond, he could only commend the burden as a redemptive sacrifice. Change was slow, however, for a land still dotted with lynching, and frustration turned to rebellion as the war in Vietnam hardened the political climate. When offered incendiary but fleeting fame in 1966, the leaders of various black power movements repudiated nonviolence along with the vote itself, which they had given so much to win.
Meanwhile, Lyndon Johnson steadily lost his presidency at home before he could forge any political order in Vietnam. Although casualty figures confirmed the heavy advantage of American arms, Johnson fell victim to a historical paradox evolving since the age of Napoleon: modern warfare destroys more but governs less - one reason military commanders seem, in my limited experience, more skeptical than civilians about the political use of lethal force.
Dr. King grew ever more lonely in conviction about the gateway to constructive politics. "I'm committed to nonviolence absolutely," he wrote. "I'm just not going to kill anybody, whether it's in Vietnam or here." When bristling discouragement invaded his own staff, he exhorted them to rise above fear and hatred alike. "We must not be intimidated by those who are laughing at nonviolence now," he told them on his last birthday.
His oratory fused the political promise of equal votes with the spiritual doctrine of equal souls. He planted one foot in American heritage, the other in scripture, and both in nonviolence. "I say to you that our goal is freedom," he said in his last Sunday sermon. "And I believe we're going to get there because, however much she strays from it, the goal of America is freedom."
Only hours before his death, Dr. King startled an aide with a balmy aside from his unpopular movement to uplift the poor. "In our next campaign," he remarked, "we have to institutionalize nonviolence and take it international."
The nation would do well to incorporate this goal into our mission abroad, reinforcing the place of nonviolence among the fundamentals of democracy, along with equal citizenship, self-government and accountable public trust. We could also restore Dr. King's role in the continuing story of freedom to its rightful prominence, emphasizing that the best way to safeguard democracy is to practice it. And we must recognize that the accepted tradeoff between freedom and security is misguided, because our values are the essence of our strength. If dungeons, brute force and arbitrary rule were the keys to real power, Saudi Arabia would be a model for the future instead of the past.
Gunfire took Dr. King's life, but we determine his legacy. This holiday, let that inspiration remain our patriotic challenge.
Taylor Branch is the author, most recently, of"At Canaan's Edge," the third volume of his biography of Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.
― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 08:33 (twenty years ago)
― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 19:11 (twenty years ago)
― jaxon (jaxon), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 19:14 (twenty years ago)
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 00:13 (twenty years ago)
― Andy_K (Andy_K), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 01:35 (twenty years ago)
― Andy_K (Andy_K), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 01:40 (twenty years ago)
http://www.salon.com/ent/tv/feature/2010/02/05/nbc_black_history/index.html
― jaxon, Friday, 5 February 2010 22:56 (sixteen years ago)
I totally don't get Salon's take on it nor Questlove's. I read elsewhere that the chef (who's a black lady) really wanted to cook some of her family's traditional food. What's wrong with that?
― L'obamalâtrie obligatoire (Michael White), Friday, 5 February 2010 23:14 (sixteen years ago)
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/nbc_lost_soul_UM3zLz05eb8QDjm6JsbNwK
― L'obamalâtrie obligatoire (Michael White), Friday, 5 February 2010 23:19 (sixteen years ago)
lol
― mark kerfuffalo (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 5 February 2010 23:23 (sixteen years ago)
(Has ?uestlove said anything substantive about it beyond the original Twitter post? I mean, it's hard to judge tone from a couple words and a picture, but it seemed somewhat jokey and only vaguely miffed, way more of a raised eyebrow than a complaint.)
― oɔsıqɐu (nabisco), Friday, 5 February 2010 23:45 (sixteen years ago)
ta-nehisi coates posted about it. he def took the picture as a joke, the whole thing is retarded
― harbl, Friday, 5 February 2010 23:48 (sixteen years ago)
From that Post article:
"Thompson, who has 1.2 million Twitter followers, clearly realized he'd started a food fight.
An hour after he circulated the menu, he tweeted, "i think i need a twitter break. i done started something. and now i must put out fire."
Actually, on reflection, it's the NBC mgmt I don't quite get.
― L'obamalâtrie obligatoire (Michael White), Friday, 5 February 2010 23:48 (sixteen years ago)
I guess I was asking if he elaborated anywhere, because while most people would read the Twitter post as a sort of mock-offended joke, the chef seems to be saying he really felt insulted?
I know it's not realistic to expect anything else from a corporate hierarchy, but the sort of tight-lipped damage-control methods people use for dealing with this kind of stuff almost always make them look way worse than they would if they just spoke reasonably. (Especially when the original thing is a casual, ironic joke, not some big righteous complaint.)
― oɔsıqɐu (nabisco), Friday, 5 February 2010 23:59 (sixteen years ago)