should the West invade and/or bomb the fuck out of Iran?

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Is Iran's nuclear programme a problem?

If it is a problem, should something be done about it?

Should that something involve invasion and/or bombing?

DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 17:24 (twelve years ago) Permalink

no

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 17:26 (twelve years ago) Permalink

no.

killy (baby lenin pin), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 17:28 (twelve years ago) Permalink

hell yeah, worked for Iraq!

bidfurd__, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 17:30 (twelve years ago) Permalink

no.

Iran is currently under a serious amount of threat - a lot of it is actually from the US. I'm not pro-nuclear weapons but if the US are allowed them then why the fuck aren't Iran?

IMHO, the next two decades are going to be a time of rapid growth and progression in the middle east, similar to what we've seen in Japan and more recently India. The US cannot go around being surprised by this.

Wogan Lenin (dog latin), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 17:33 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Why is Iran's nuclear programme assumed to be a problem? Where's the proof?

Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Dada), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 17:35 (twelve years ago) Permalink

They have a dossier that alleges Bush considered bombing Al Jarreau.

Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 17:37 (twelve years ago) Permalink

and what about al bundy ?

AleXTC (AleXTC), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 17:39 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Why would bush want to bomb Al Green anyway? Really, I don't understand.

Wogan Lenin (dog latin), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 17:42 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Iran is currently under a serious amount of threat - a lot of it is actually from the US.

are they under a nuclear threat from the US?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 17:42 (twelve years ago) Permalink

A finger-wagging threat.

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 17:44 (twelve years ago) Permalink

An "idiots on message boards talk about whether to 'bomb the fuck out of them'" threat.

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 17:48 (twelve years ago) Permalink

if the US are allowed them then why the fuck aren't Iran?

are you serious?

,, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 17:52 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Lots of people say that. I think it has to do with a misunderstanding involving the meaning of the word "allowed."

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 17:55 (twelve years ago) Permalink

yeah like, who are we asking?? if its up to me the answer is no!

,, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 17:55 (twelve years ago) Permalink

if the US are allowed them then why the fuck aren't Iran?

you may be alarmed but a lot of people out there do seem to be asking this question.

Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 17:56 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Nuclear weapons held by a country seem like a kind of a bogey man... Mutually-assured-destruction. Anthrax, dirty bombs, infrastructure attacks .. are all a bigger threat than nuclear weapons because they're more likely to be used. And still, I'm more worried about getting mugged than I am about an international incident.

D.I.Y. U.N.K.L.E. (dave225.3), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 17:58 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Presumably the people in the Iranian govt. who want them see the question more as 'if Israel are allowed them why aren't we?'

Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 17:59 (twelve years ago) Permalink

yeah. out of the US there is a world where people may not understand why some countries are allowed to have it and some aren't if all countries are equal...

AleXTC (AleXTC), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 18:00 (twelve years ago) Permalink

do japan have nuclear weapon then?

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 18:01 (twelve years ago) Permalink

No, thank God

Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Dada), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 18:02 (twelve years ago) Permalink

no cos their constitution doesn't allow them to have it. although i've read recently that they have all the components to build one within a few weeks if necessary...

AleXTC (AleXTC), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 18:03 (twelve years ago) Permalink

not yet

Super Cub (Debito), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 18:03 (twelve years ago) Permalink

but Japan doesn't really need them, because it falls under America's nuclear umbrella.

Super Cub (Debito), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 18:04 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I would guess that the Japanese have an appreciation for limiting the amount of destruction by any single weapon.

So, which countries have nuclear warheads & delivery methods?

..And which countries have ever used one? .. (That's rhetorical.)

D.I.Y. U.N.K.L.E. (dave225.3), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 18:06 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I was just saying because Doglatin was predicting the middle east to become like japan in the next couple of decades. it'd be pretty fun if iran decides to attack the US with pro-evolution soccer.

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 18:06 (twelve years ago) Permalink

no cos their constitution doesn't allow them to have it. although i've read recently that they have all the components to build one within a few weeks if necessary...

and i'll form the head!

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 18:06 (twelve years ago) Permalink

i dont see why not wanting the u.s. to have nukes means that iran should have them

,, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 18:06 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I'm just sick of the issue already. Anyone in the UK see Powell being grilled by Paxman on Newsnight last night? Predictable, depressing stuff. Though his question about 'rendition' at the end seemed rather odd and cryptic.

Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 18:07 (twelve years ago) Permalink

it's the same brilliant logic that had the democrats essentially arguing for an invasion of north korea in 2003

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 18:08 (twelve years ago) Permalink

one of the greatest publicity for having a nuclear weapon was irak's invasion : if you don't have one, that's what happens to you (whereas, if you "may" have one -ie. north korea- the US won't invade you 2 times within a decade...).

AleXTC (AleXTC), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 18:08 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I'm just sick of the issue already.

fair enough, but can a sense of boredom prevail against the horror of seeing Iran invaded / seeing Iran drop a nuclear bomb on Baku?

DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 18:10 (twelve years ago) Permalink

most of the right-wing talk radio circuit is more afraid of an EMP style blast.

In addition to other effects, a nuclear weapon detonated in or above the earth’s atmosphere can create an electromagnetic pulse (EMP), a high-density electrical field. An EMP acts like a stroke of lightning but is stronger, faster, and shorter. An EMP can seriously damage electronic devices connected to power sources or antennas. This includes communication systems, computers, electrical appliances, and automobile or aircraft ignition systems. The damage could range from a minor interruption to actual burnout of components. Most electronic equipment within 1,000 miles of a high-altitude nuclear detonation could be affected. Battery-powered radios with short antennas generally would not be affected. Although an EMP is unlikely to harm most people, it could harm those with pacemakers or other implanted electronic devices.

like the infrastructure-crippler list above, it wouldn't kill too many people directly, but it would cripple the hell out of the north america.

to use the words of some americans... "bomb them back to the stone age!"

military equipment is supposed to survive such an attack, but... the last EMP test was in the early 60s.

i'm not saying that's a good case. hardly. does iran even have the missle capability for a high altitude detonation over kansas or thereabouts?
m.

msp (mspa), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 18:13 (twelve years ago) Permalink

it's the same brilliant logic that had the democrats essentially arguing for an invasion of north korea in 2003

huh?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 18:19 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I don't think Iran has much of a missile program. But they can always buy missile technology from the North Koreans. They do missiles real good.

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Super Cub (Debito), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 18:20 (twelve years ago) Permalink

bomb you long time

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 18:23 (twelve years ago) Permalink

fair enough, but can a sense of boredom prevail against the horror of seeing Iran invaded / seeing Iran drop a nuclear bomb on Baku?

it's not boredom just depression.

Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 18:24 (twelve years ago) Permalink

But they can always buy missile technology from the North Koreans. They do missiles real good.

or china.

it's nice to have beijing owning that nice big stack of american cash and bonds, i guess. way to go, dubya.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 18:25 (twelve years ago) Permalink

military equipment is supposed to survive such an attack, but... the last EMP test was in the early 60s

The electric field caused by the blast would be strong enough to reverse the flow of current through a transistor, thereby destroying all transistor-based electronic equipment, i.e. computers.

I believe the reason they don't do EMP tests anymore is because the military had vacuum-tube backups of all their computational equipment. Transitors built using vacuum tubes instead of semiconductors are more robust wrt voltage breakdown and would be expected to survive a nuclear attack. But by the 1960's, computers became too complicated -- building vacuum tube backups became impractical and therefore, there was no need to continue with EMP tests.

Now, they probably store important computer equipment in huge metal cages (and/or way underground) to keep out EM radiation.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 18:28 (twelve years ago) Permalink

i'd imagine that the israelis will take matters into their own hands if the "west" doesn't

mookieproof (mookieproof), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 18:29 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I don't think anyone in the White House or the Pentagon even wants to contemplate invasion as an option. I'd guess that the most likely use of force would be a targeted cruise missile strike.

o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 18:30 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Now, they probably store important computer equipment in huge metal cages (and/or way underground) to keep out EM radiation.

"probably"

:)

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 18:31 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Now, they probably store important computer equipment in huge metal cages (and/or way underground) to keep out EM radiation

they just base all their computer equipment in Windows so that staff are well drilled on downtime procedures.

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 18:34 (twelve years ago) Permalink

A lot of the worry may have to do with recent statements by the current Iranian leader implying that he wants to rid the world of Israel. (and I stress the word "implying".) If a country is making such rhetoric while at the same time amping up their nukes program, I don't see why it's difficult to understand why world leaders would be worried about this... all foils of recent U.S. world policy, aside.

Dom iNut (donut), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 18:35 (twelve years ago) Permalink

they should send in subway, wal-mart, and starbucks instead.
m.

msp (mspa), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 18:35 (twelve years ago) Permalink

But as with India vs Pakistan I assume that the implications of nuking Israel would have direct consequences on Iran given their relative proximity, or am I wrong there?

Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 18:37 (twelve years ago) Permalink

israel would fuck iran up, probably leading to a middle-east-sized war (at least)

mookieproof (mookieproof), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 18:43 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Anyone who wants to use nuclear weapons within a range that could affect their own region probably doesn't care too much about the consequences, frankly. Thatone cares more about accomplishing the mission.

Dom iNut (donut), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 18:43 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Anyone who wants to use nuclear weapons within a range that could affect their own region probably doesn't care too much about the consequences

Yeah but I'm seriously wondering whether these people really exist!

Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 18:46 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Yeah but I'm seriously wondering whether these people really exist!

well, yes. having nuclear capability to shit up your neighbour is not the same as having it with the intention of using it. it's the same as carrying a knife.

that said: as every wee ned up in court for murder knows only too well, "it just got out of hand" isn't much of an excuse when you've just stabbed someone to death.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 18:51 (twelve years ago) Permalink

approval of the U.SN.

M. White (Miguelito), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 20:57 (twelve years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

and if you don't click the link it is about more than their shitty photoshop. Also has funny photo.

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Ed, Wednesday, 16 July 2008 15:23 (ten years ago) Permalink

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Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Wednesday, 16 July 2008 15:41 (ten years ago) Permalink

lol i heard ppl were doing their own

Just got offed, Wednesday, 16 July 2008 15:56 (ten years ago) Permalink

three years pass...

Iran is crazy right now because of the power struggle between Khamenei and Ahmedinejad

Muammar for the road (Michael White), Wednesday, 2 November 2011 17:14 (six years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/137038/jamie-m-fly-and-gary-schmitt/the-case-for-regime-change-in-iran

The Case For Regime Change in Iran
Go Big -- Then Go Home
By Jamie M. Fly and Gary Schmitt
January 17, 2012

smh

Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:00 (six years ago) Permalink

can't even bear to read that, or really even talk to anyone who would think that invading iran is a good idea

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:35 (six years ago) Permalink

Schmitt's bio says he works at that right-wing thinktank, the American Enterprise Institute.

curmudgeon, Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:42 (six years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

Ayatollah Khamenei said that Iran “had its own tools” to respond to such threats and that it would use them “if necessary,” the semiofficial Mehr news agency reported.

“The threat of war would disfavor the United States itself,” he said, adding that war with Iran “would be 10 times worse for the interests of the United States” than it would be for Iran, he said.

“Americans say all options are on the table, even the option of military strike,” he said, according to a Reuters translation of his televised remarks. “Such threats show that they have no sufficient discourse against Iran’s logic and discourse.”

No sufficient discourse against Iran's logic and discourse.

Mordy, Friday, 3 February 2012 17:18 (six years ago) Permalink

in slavish imitation:

http://www.salon.com/2012/02/03/iran_is_the_root_of_all_evil/singleton/

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 4 February 2012 02:58 (six years ago) Permalink

is this a good time for a patriotic, non-islamic iranian-american to apply for a job with the us intelligence community? would that be a power move?

the late great, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 17:02 (six years ago) Permalink

Zoroastrian?

le ralliement du doute et de l'erreur (Michael White), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 17:16 (six years ago) Permalink

Yeah the "Iran Al-Qaeda Terror Plot" headlines of late have been giving me the queasy feeling of becoming aware that I'm old enough to have heard this one before and yet it will probably work again.

happiness is the new productivity (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 17:23 (six years ago) Permalink

baha'i

the late great, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 17:33 (six years ago) Permalink

i'm going to answer my own q by saying i'm pretty sure getting a job w/ in the intelligence community would require moving to some godawful place (ie outside california) but maybe somebody (tombot?) knows more about this than i do?

the late great, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 17:34 (six years ago) Permalink

How's your Farsi?

le ralliement du doute et de l'erreur (Michael White), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 18:23 (six years ago) Permalink

getting a job w/ in the intelligence community would require moving to some godawful place

Virginia?

max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 18:26 (six years ago) Permalink

farsi is fluent but i am illiterate

the late great, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 18:43 (six years ago) Permalink

I'd rather see better translations in the news media. In the intelligence community your work will likely be ignored if you don't provide the politically approved translation.

Pauper Management Improved (Sanpaku), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 18:52 (six years ago) Permalink

is this a good time for a patriotic, non-islamic iranian-american to apply for a job with the us intelligence community? would that be a power move?

oh hell yeah. how are you with battery cables?

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 19:12 (six years ago) Permalink

battery cables??

the late great, Thursday, 16 February 2012 00:05 (six years ago) Permalink

ABC News was particularly disgusting yesterday: Martha Raddatz on a warship in the Strait of Hormuz aiming for that warmonger verite.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 16 February 2012 02:54 (six years ago) Permalink

five months pass...

CNN drumbeat by Pentagon 'reporter' Chris Lawrence:

"Iran already has a missile that could reach the U.S. if it could put it on a ship and move it to within 600 miles of the American coastline."

http://www.salon.com/2012/07/16/cnn_on_the_iran_threat/

Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Monday, 16 July 2012 13:57 (six years ago) Permalink

and move it to within 600 miles of the American coastline.

Still more afraid of a suitcase bomb than this scenario.

Et tant pis pour Byzance puisque que j´ai vu Pigalle (Michael White), Monday, 16 July 2012 13:59 (six years ago) Permalink

It's amazing how the range of Iran's missiles adjusts according to how badly we want to attack them.

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Monday, 16 July 2012 14:04 (six years ago) Permalink

THE MISSILES ARE COMING FROM INSIDE THE HOUSE.

Marco YOLO (Phil D.), Monday, 16 July 2012 14:09 (six years ago) Permalink

Oh wait I didn't even read that link, shit is pretty lol

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Monday, 16 July 2012 14:14 (six years ago) Permalink

i'm in the UK & i have a rock that could burrow a metre deep down into antarctic snow so long as someone rows me to the edge of antarctic water so i can throw it

, Blogger (schlump), Monday, 16 July 2012 16:08 (six years ago) Permalink

Anyone know what Bulgaria is? A friend of mine is there and was close to being blown to shreds in a tour bus. Netanyahu blames Iran. Is this serious or just SOP for the area?

how's life, Wednesday, 18 July 2012 22:22 (six years ago) Permalink

Bulgaria is a country in central europe iirc

the alternate vision continues his vision quest! (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 22:23 (six years ago) Permalink

Yes, yes. It appears to be near Albania, ffs. It sounds so old-timey.

how's life, Wednesday, 18 July 2012 22:26 (six years ago) Permalink

it seems like a pretty random place to stage a terrorist attack, I'm not sure what to make of it. Netty blames Iran for everything fwiw.

the alternate vision continues his vision quest! (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 22:28 (six years ago) Permalink

This kind of thing is completely unheard of in Bulgaria, as far as i know. The Black Sea resorts are super-popular with Israeli tourists.

Temporarily Famous In The Czech Republic (ShariVari), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 22:29 (six years ago) Permalink

suspect sure doesn't look Iranian to me but what do I know

the alternate vision continues his vision quest! (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 July 2012 15:44 (six years ago) Permalink

six months pass...

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said on Monday he was ready to be the first human sent into orbit by Iran's fledgling space program, Iranian media reported.

The launch added to Western concerns about Iran's space program because the same rocket technology could potentially be used to deliver a nuclear warhead on a ballistic missile. "I am ready to be the first human to be sent to space by Iranian scientists," Ahmadinejad said on Monday, on the sidelines of an exhibition of space achievements in Tehran, according to the Mehr news agency. "Sending living things into space is the result of Iranian efforts and the dedication of thousands of Iranian scientists."

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 4 February 2013 17:09 (five years ago) Permalink

I think we should encourage this.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 4 February 2013 17:09 (five years ago) Permalink

rocket manejad

Spectrum, Monday, 4 February 2013 17:11 (five years ago) Permalink

four years pass...
three months pass...

israel to iran, today

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lz3Vfme-2qg

the late great, Monday, 30 April 2018 18:52 (five months ago) Permalink

look at all that secret shit

https://i.imgur.com/nP4j1m8.jpg

the late great, Monday, 30 April 2018 19:00 (five months ago) Permalink

bibi's presentation style is ... interesting

Daniel Johns Hopkins (jim in vancouver), Monday, 30 April 2018 19:27 (five months ago) Permalink

red black and green binders a nice touch

the late great, Monday, 30 April 2018 19:35 (five months ago) Permalink

actually should have been red white and green now that i think about it

my brain is off today

the late great, Monday, 30 April 2018 19:36 (five months ago) Permalink


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