Democratic (Party) Direction

yup. and I agree with it 100% and would support any primary attempt based on that reasoning, they don't get a free pass because there's some other vote they made that you like

also, wtf is wrong with primary challenges from progressives?

your assumption seems to be that they are de facto bad

Let’s definitely focus right now on bitching about the Democrats who are against the apocalypse

do you know what thread this is?

unconditionally supporting this level of military spending is definitely apocalypse-friendly and I am well within my rights to hold my Democratic Senators accountable for this horror show (that they also supported).

My question was asked in good faith! I'm prepared to accept the premise that voting for the increased spending was good because of reasons xyz! I just don't know what reasons xyz are, either stated or real

that's because Nerdstrom can't actually give us any good reasons

I went to Kamela Harris's twitter and she doesn't even mention it. Am i missing something or even if for some reason this is a good idea, aren't the optics bad? right before midterms

Primary challenges are not inherently bad obviously.

But the mentality of getting riled up about this one spending bill at the “vote them out!” level given what’s going on now is indicative of why we’re all going to die.

it's not up to you to dictate where I draw my lines, especially since you seem to have none whatsoever regarding what's unacceptable

and honestly you haven't answered any of the questions here to my satisfaction

But the mentality of getting riled up about this one spending bill at the “vote them out!” level given what’s going on now is indicative of why we’re all going to die.

I am riled up, yes!

One thing would stop me being riled up

A decent answer as to why this is a good thing. I don't want to primary anyone, I want an answer to my question that makes me go "ok, fair enough, I can accept that". Can be from Harris, Poindexter, or...anyone!

Guy who didn’t know what the Iran Deal is probably doesn’t know what is and isn’t “apocalypse friendly”

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um I said I didn't see how it was relevant, I am familiar with the issue and am aware that other countries are working to bypass it, but thanks for the useless condescension instead of an actual answer

we're waiting

Warrens twitter: Nothing
Bookers twitter: Nothing

dispiriting

If the USA backs away from that role, other powers will fill the resulting vacuum and influence the world in directions they find preferable.

― A is for (Aimless)

surely you mean the fifth international?

I'm actually persuadable that there is a good reason and its just I don't understand it, because the alternative is really grim

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Being performatively upset this one spending bill is an extremely “who cares” situation given the context of the various emerging foreign policy crises and the whole “John Bolton exists” thing.

Even if I am performatively upset I should still be able to find a decent answer from someone! then my upsetness (performative or otherwise) could go away! or at least dissipate somewhat

I may also be upset about other things in other places, detailed on the appropriate threads

I understand if you don't want to give an answer, but someone pro this spending should be able to give one, and I'd be happy to read it from anyone, doesn't have to be from any one particular person

I would ask though, that you accept I am being genuine in my question and not performative. I'd like to think I've only ever been genuine here and that a straight question should still hopefully lead to a straight answer

Have you reacted this way to lots of spending bills previously? Is it a regulator thing where you see how much money is allocated and you’re like “whoa whoa whoa whoa”

ftr I’m agnostic on the spending bill I’m just drawing attention to the “primary everyone” take may not have great perspective. I have noticed a thing online where people I know who complained about Obama drones a lot literally didn’t know what the Iran Deal is not do they complain about drones now even though the strikes have been greatly increased.

*nor do they

Have you reacted this way to lots of spending bills previously? Is it a regulator thing where you see how much money is allocated and you’re like “whoa whoa whoa whoa”

no I haven't! This is probably the first, to be honest

I'm prepared to accept that I'm not clued up enough, and that worse things have happened and I didn't realize, or question them at the time!

But thats why I want to know! Am i being persuaded into thinking this is worse than it is? Possibly! Can I be persuaded back? Possibly!

I'm not upset by the bill per se. I'm surprised by the bill, and then disquieted that I can't understand the reasoning. Where i became 'upset' was that I couldn't find a rationale, and none of the people pro the bill were prepared to give me an answer

surprized by the fact every democratic voted for it, i mean

oh I hadn't even thought about the primary everyone bit. I dont...actually really have a take, just wanted an answer so i could understand better, then got a bit riled up when there wasn't one

Bit of a detour, but to try and put more succinctly

I'm not riled up by the bill

I'm riled up that every single Democrat voted to both expand military spending and work with the Republicans and I don't know why and can't find a proper rationale. I'm prepared to accept there is one, i just want to know what it is

I'm riled up that this is happening right before the midterms, and I don't understand the optics, of being perceived as the war party and why they are not coming out to defend against that. I also don't understand why they are happy to be seen to be colloborating with Trump, righg before the midterms and doesnt this take the wind out of the sails of the base

I'm riled up that in the face of seemingly bad optics the senators above just seem not to be answering and I don't know why

I'm riled up that I don't understand. And not understanding something is always irritating!

Sorry for derail everyone, I usually try not to repeat-post!

Just slightly upthread there’s “let’s primary every democrat that voted for this one spending bill regardless if they would have never done/will strongly oppose the very dangerous Iran Deal pullout”

So your assumption is that the progressive primary challenger who wouldn't have voted for the obscene defense spending bill would not oppose Trump re: Iran Deal or possible war.
That makes loads of sense.

Still not an either/or situation.

Being performatively upset

blood is the mother's milk of the American empire

“ I also don't understand why they are happy to be seen to be colloborating with Trump, righg before the midterms and doesnt this take the wind out of the sails of the base”

Agreeing to military funding doesn't really register as collaborating with Trump. Military civilian relations are much broader and complex than who the president happens to be. Military spending isn’t pro war. It’s very distinct from decisions related to intervention.

Thanks! I'd still prefer a clearer message on the positive benefits of the increased spending though!

I don't use social media so I've probably missed out on people's reasoning for why its good, but I've now emailed some friends i know that might answer. If any of them do think its a good idea I will report back and post their reasoning here.

Also, anyone in particular worth reading, who is good/trustworthy on this? Either for increased military spending in general, or preferably purely in the context of this particular bill and the timing of it?

Military spending isn’t pro war.

you're delusional and I'm done negotiating with you in good faith

you clearly represent the worst sort of liberal politics, which I reject

good luck selling millenials on this garbage

fuckin Gabbneb Mk II up in here, even the condescension is the same

You didn’t know what the Iran Deal is.

Having the appropriate knowledge or opinion of the Iran Deal surely shouldn't be a pre-requisite of getting an answer as to why its a good idea for Democrats to vote for increased military spending though?

If i was pro iran deal, anti iran deal, or though the iran deal was card game, I still should be able to get a straight answer to this question!

That Nerdstrom interprets "what's that got to do with it?" as "I don't know what that is" doesn't say much for their reading comprehension, frankly.

so far the only coherent defense for voting "yea" on this seems to be "jobs!". wonder if there's some other job-creating projects that might help counter the stuff that's actually way, way more likely to kill us all than anything the military-industrial complex can handle.

build ten million units of high-quality public housing in ten years, replace every lead water main in the nation, clean up a thousand superfund sites, build fifty new transit systems and address long-deferred system expansions in existing ones. build a thousand solar power plants, restore and improve ten thousand neighborhood parks, build a million new elementary schools to reduce crowding. call it the "war on everything being all worn out and shitty all the time." or the "war on three decades of pretending there is no money for any of these things."

Doc for prez

i've already secured the most critical endorsement

but convincing middle ILMerica is another ball game and if our polling model is to be trusted i face an uphill battle

shouldn't we be taking that money and giving it all away in one big megajackpot lotto drawing?

Doc Casino, I like your version of Infrastructure Week.