Mormon movies for the public

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Any interest ex-Mormons may have in Mormon culture/ideas is turned against them by devbout Mormons. "They just can't stay away from the church," said as though no one could failed to be drawn in by the church's magnetic spirit, even those who claim to disbelieve or even revile it. My dad's always secretly pleased when I'll watch some Mormon movies during a visit home. I think they're one of the most bizarre manifestations of the church's public face. They indicate in a certain way how the church wants to present itself to the world, and who they think may be interested in the "peculiar people" that are Mormons.

BYU productions made tons of crazy hilarious short films back in the '70s that mainly get watched in Mormon seminary classes and while kids wait to do baptisms for the dead in the temple. The most memorable are:

Johnny Lingo (not to be confused with recent theatre release 'The Legend of Johnny Lingo): A small Polynesian island buys wives with cows. Prettier brides-to-be are bribed by greater numbers of cows, averaging five or so for a choice looker. Mahannah, an undrconfident lass who hides in trees while belittled by her father, is considered the least likely to get hitched. (Quote the line "Mahannah, you ugly, get down from that tree!'" to someone raised Mormon for a laugh-filled cultural bonding moment.) Women swoon in the presence of area stud Johnny Lingo, who (shocker) asks Mahannah to marry him in exchange for TEN cows. Local women shit their grass skirts. It turns out when Mahannah isn't crying and covering her face with her uncombed hair and palm fronds, everyone agrees she's "worth ten cows if she's worth a hoof." Moral: Treat women like they're worth ten cows, and they'll turn into ten cow wives. Consequently, devotionals and fireside discussions for young women on how to be "ten cow wives" (wait for returned missionary to bring you a corsage and take you to see "Finding Nemo").

Uncle Ben: Orphaned kids are adopted by their kindly, alcoholic uncle Ben. There's some unmemorable alcohol-related conflict, after which his cherbic kindergartener niece asks him not to be such a drunk. He says urgently, "If you want me to--I will if you want me to!" Later that night, Ben sits in the basement for no reason and stares at a bottle of the hard stuff as his hand struggles toward the bottle and back to safety. All the time his intonation "If you want me to--I will if you want me to! If you want me to--I WILL IF YOU WANT ME TO!" loops echoes. He never drinks again. The cute girl grows up and, in a flash forward, asks the BYU dean to specially thank her non-drunk uncle at her graduation. Cut to graduation. The dean asks "all the uncle Bens in the audience" to please stand, and tells a story of Ben's courage and sobriety. Moral: don't be a drunk.

Here's another one whose title I can't recall. An old lady who lives alone in the boonies is comforted only by the sweet little girl next door and her monomaniacal obsession with mail from her grandkids. Every day she chats with the mailman, and every day her progeny fails to deliver. One day, the mailman comes, finally with a letter from the grandkids! She dies as she clutches it to her heart. Good thing she didn't open it, becuase the letter said the kids were going to put her in a retirement home. Moral: write your grammaw. This one often got followed up with envelopes and stationery, so you could write your grammaw right then and tell her, "Sorry."

Some of BYU's films were adopted from urban legends/popular stories. An example of the former: boy is convinced he is going to die after giving a blood transfusion to his little sister. Moral: Be like Jesus (that's what church teachers seemed to get out of it, anyway). "Cipher in the Snow" is an example of the latter ( a copy of the story is here: http://www.teenlit.com/teachers/cipherin.htm). Unpopular, quiet boy who fails his classes and is ignored by his parents falls down dead into the snow while exiting a school bus. Teacher concludes he died because the kid thought of himself as a zero. Moral: That shouldn't happen to kids.

Another is "Mr. Krueger's Christmas" (a real sentimental tearjerker) with the elderly Jimmy Stewart, who I believe had converted to Mormonism by then. He plays a lonely widower who has no one on Christmas, and imagines (in an enormously depressing scene) that he's ice skating on SLC's temple square and conducting the Mormon Tabernacle Choir. I could have sworn he died in the end, since so many of these films ended that way, but IMDB informs me it ends on a cheery note: traveling carollers invite him to turkey dinner. Moral: Old people are really lonely. That's the underlying theme of a lot of these movies.

Starting with 2000's "God's Army," Mormon directors have been distributing Mormon-centric films nationwide. Mormon people are of course enormously happy about this development, some of whom somehow think it's a fulfillment of the prophecy that all will gather on the mountain of Zion in the latter days (some also thought the SLC olympics fulfilled this --- LDS signseeking is omnipresent and annoying).

Mormon movies tend to fall in three categories. Richard Dutcher writes/acts in/directs serious films about contemporary LDS people and their problems ("God's Army," "Brigham City"). Christian Viussa has made a cottage industry of producing small, lowbudget films full of jokes only someone steeped in LDS culture would understand (four to date: "Single's Ward," "The R.M.," "Home Teachers," and "Baptists at Our Barbecue"). Will you find Viussa's films funny? You might not even if you do understand their titles. I have consciously avoided films in the third category: adaptations of historical LDS fiction and non-fiction.

Dutcher is by far the best LDS director, for what that's worth. Mormons thrilled as the movie was reviewed favorably nationwide ("Michael Medved said he liked it," my dad proudly noted). I think the Onion had a good take on it: http://www.avclub.com/content/node/4298 "...[Dutcher] stops just short of suggesting that these pious kids in starched shirts and ties might have flaws beyond bad moods and a yen for dumb practical jokes." The review's a bit easy on the film, actually. One example: the black missionary in the film explains his conflict regarding the church's denial of many important church priveleges/titles to black people until 1978. Bringing this fact up is way more daring than most Mormons would be willing to do, but his explanation's as lackluster as ever. "I just prayed about it and knew God's plan was right" (a paraphrase). One kid in seminary showed this segment of the film as a devotional in seminary, and followed it with this testimony: "See? God has a plan." That's about the worst cop-out ever, as an explanation, since it can be used to explain anything. This part of the movie really seemed to affect everyone in fucking white whitey whitebread southeastern Idaho. "We actually like black people (even though there aren't any in town). Quit being so sensetive about it." It's a great topic to make Mormons very defensive--forget trying to trick them on their "magic underwear" as evidenced in another earlier thread, for all the Momo-baiting wiseacres in the audience.

"Brigham City" is my personal favorite because it's just so damn bizarre, while still carrying the intensity of a good thriller/crime story. It's also directed by Dutcher, who plays the town bishop/sherrif (that's right, bishop of the only local ward and elected sherrif of the town). Local redhead girls are getting murdered in a town that's slow on even issuing speeding tickets, and Dutcher has to crack the case. The movie's tone is so painfully serious that everything in it, even the spiritual parts, is hardcore creepy. In the middle of all his dpression and sleuthing, Dutcher throws in scenes of regular boshoppy tasks: blessing the sick, passing the sacrament, and other sacred LDS rituals, in the midst of finding dead bodies on the outskirts of thown. The juxtaposition kills me, especially since these scenes only seem to be included to show non-LDS folks that Mormon rituals aren't actually so weird after all. The investigation is even more awkward since virtually everyone in town is LDS and questioning them as suspects is tantamount to saying he doesn't believe they've repented of things they confessed in his office as a bishop (not thatb anyone confessed murder anyway). He first starts out by entering the town's only bar (sparsely populated) in one of the most painful scenes ever. People are thought of as being suspects for puchasing cigarettes at the gas station --- any non-LDS behavior leads to a questioning. The strangest search scene features the bishop, warrant in hand, insisting on opening the closet of a young Mormon man who still lives with his mother. The accused is so insistent that the closet stay shut, for such a long argument, that by the time the sherrif finally opens the closet, I was ready for it to be full of little boys, or dead little boys. No, it's full of racy VHS tapes. The accused and his mother cry in shame for an unbearably long amount of time.

The murder part of this film is also shocking, and leads to even harder questions about inter-Mormon relations than "God's Army." But I think it works best for outsiders to see the horrible hot pressure in LDS communities to conform, to hide their flaws, to put on their good Ensign magazine faces and pretend nothing is wrong. It definitely doesn't come off as a pro-Mormon film, even though after it was released, watching it was a popular social excursion for church groups. Mormons didn't respond to it as dearly as Dutcher's first movie.

"Napolean Dynamite," it should be noted, is not officially a Mormon movie, but fucking A have Mormons ever embraced it. It's a fairly accurate caricature of social dynamics in a small Idaho school. The irony of it is, the kids laugh at all the assholes who are mean to Napolean, and don't realize they're the same person. It's a heartless movie for and about a heartless community. All I can say is I'm glad I'm not involved in the church, or I'd have to hear that chapstick quote every day. Letters from my brother, who's on a mission in Mexico, are peppered with quotes from Napolean & his peers. His fellow missionaries are praised for their ability to imperonate Kip. His "Vote for Pedro" patch confuses his Mexican neighbors, which confuses my missionary brother. 'How could people not know Napolean Dynamite?' The movie gives LDS kids another movie to reference endlessly besides "The Princess Bride," so I'm sure it's sort of a relief not to hear people saying "Has anybody got a peanut?" all the time.

Abbott (Abbott), Sunday, 15 January 2006 23:33 (twenty years ago)

I quit proofreading myself eventually --- sorry for all the typos, fellas and gals.

Abbott (Abbott), Sunday, 15 January 2006 23:36 (twenty years ago)

"Cipher in the Snow"

I saw this in public school in 4th grade or something. I remember the investigator character was named Ned, which raised some comment at the time.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 15 January 2006 23:36 (twenty years ago)

j blount (papa la bas), Sunday, 15 January 2006 23:37 (twenty years ago)

j blount (papa la bas), Sunday, 15 January 2006 23:38 (twenty years ago)

Isn't the original Battlestar Galactica a Mormon allegory?

chap who would dare to work for the man (chap), Sunday, 15 January 2006 23:40 (twenty years ago)

abbott did you write that? it's pretty funny

j blount (papa la bas), Sunday, 15 January 2006 23:40 (twenty years ago)

x-post -- That would be putting it mildly.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 15 January 2006 23:41 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I wrote it.

Abbott (Abbott), Sunday, 15 January 2006 23:42 (twenty years ago)

Mormon/Battlestar Connection

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 15 January 2006 23:43 (twenty years ago)

Orgazmo's great, but it's full of flaws. The absence of peeners is a main flaw, but they got some LDS culture stuff worong (which makes it funny on more levels for an exmo). Missionaries can call their mommies, just on Xmas, and they certainly don't get any money for doing it as implied in the film. Missionaries are in serious isolation chambers and are constantly monitored by their partners. Also, temple weddings don't cost money. Still fun-e, though. "Aww, Jesus!" "Where?"

Abbott (Abbott), Sunday, 15 January 2006 23:45 (twenty years ago)

Also, could somebody please tell me what choda means?

Abbott (Abbott), Sunday, 15 January 2006 23:46 (twenty years ago)

In a similar vein, how do you feel about the Joseph Smith episode of South Park?

chap who would dare to work for the man (chap), Sunday, 15 January 2006 23:46 (twenty years ago)

I actually haven't seen it.

Abbott (Abbott), Sunday, 15 January 2006 23:52 (twenty years ago)

Wetzel O Whitaker!!

tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemary), Sunday, 15 January 2006 23:56 (twenty years ago)

The basic message of the South Park episode seems to be that Mormonism is absolute bunk, but its adherents are very decent people.

chap who would dare to work for the man (chap), Monday, 16 January 2006 00:00 (twenty years ago)

Saints and Soldiers? Anyone see this? I thought it was very well done. I liked Brigham City, too.

pepektheassassin (pepektheassassin), Monday, 16 January 2006 00:29 (twenty years ago)

PS What think you of Scott Card's Ender Wiggen series? Speaking of Mormon allegories....

pepektheassassin (pepektheassassin), Monday, 16 January 2006 00:39 (twenty years ago)

Ender's Game and Speaker for the Dead are both astonishing. Nothing after that came close.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 16 January 2006 00:52 (twenty years ago)

i'm a big fan of the "Bring 'Em Young" DVD series

killy (baby lenin pin), Monday, 16 January 2006 00:55 (twenty years ago)

abbott have you seen the recent mormon mockumentary "sons of provo"? about a mormon boy band? i saw it in san francisco with a big mormon audience who LOVED it, laughing at every (presumed) in-joke.

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 16 January 2006 00:58 (twenty years ago)

also thanks for writing that! it was really interesting and entertaining. also i didn't know jimmy stewart was a late convert!

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 16 January 2006 00:59 (twenty years ago)

(i mean i didn't even know he was a mormon at all)

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 16 January 2006 00:59 (twenty years ago)

also can you explain me why princess bride is a big mormon movie?

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 16 January 2006 01:04 (twenty years ago)

Judge Whitaker was a groundbreaker! His stuff may look dated now, but it was a beginning.

pepektheassassin (pepektheassassin), Monday, 16 January 2006 01:13 (twenty years ago)

Everything from that period looks dated now. Look at Perry Mason. Look at The Partridge Family. Etc. They weren't Law & Order or The Sopranos. But that's just time passing.

pepektheassassin (pepektheassassin), Monday, 16 January 2006 01:20 (twenty years ago)

I think OSC's "Lost Boys" is way more interesting in the driect Mormon dept. It's about an LDS bishop who programmed Lode Runner, who doubts his faith and whose son gets sucked into an evil video a game. An interesting document of its era. Also someone clues into the mom that she's being stalked by leaving a 45 of "Every Breath You Take" on her doorstep. If you ever want a five-page initial impression of a Police song in a fictional Mormon novel, here is your book.

I think Princess Bride is big because it's funny and sweet in a very innocuous way. It has stuff for young guys (slapstick, swordfighting, scares that are still mild enough to avoid parental banning) and girls (mushy stuff, humor). It's one of those movies that every Mormon family seems to own (in addition to every Disney cartoon). It has the added advantage of being a very Mormon-friendly movie released to VHS when everyone I knew was getting a VCR as a babysitter.

Monty Python's Holy Grail is big, too, but less popular because it's blasphemous. "'Tis only a flesh wound" probably gets quoted more than Mo kids actually watch the movie.

Abbott (Abbott), Monday, 16 January 2006 01:21 (twenty years ago)

Whats-her-name, who starred in Princess Bride also starred in another Mormon movie called The Other Side of Heaven. It wasn't bad, either!

pepektheassassin (pepektheassassin), Monday, 16 January 2006 01:23 (twenty years ago)

I haven't seen it in a quarter-century so I can't say I remember any Mormon nuance, but does Goin' Coconuts also count?

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 16 January 2006 01:35 (twenty years ago)

Get a copy of Mr. Krueger's Christmas free, that's right, FREE:

http://www.mormon.org/freeoffers/1,17785,6385-1-332,00.html?src=tv

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 16 January 2006 01:38 (twenty years ago)

Also, I vaugely remember some kind of Mormon funding connection to The Magic of Lassie -- a Jimmy Stewart film just before Krueger -- that I can't confirm from any online source.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 16 January 2006 01:41 (twenty years ago)

Princess Bride is big among a lot of christians I know as well, probably for the same reasons of Good Clean Fun.

Trayce (trayce), Monday, 16 January 2006 02:06 (twenty years ago)

Anne Hathaway! That's her name. In a review of "The Other Side of Heaven," Mormon moviemaker Kieth Merrill (who won an Academy Award for "The Great American Cowboy") wrote: I have developed a certain respectful disdain for movie critics. Critics profess to be objective. I openly confess this subjective gushing over "The Other Side of Heaven" is straight from the heart... I loved this film. It touched me. It entertained me. It took me on a journey to a place I have never been. It enlightened me, and inspired me. It touched my heart and made me cry. What else could you want from a movie?

Also, check out his article: Where are the Great Mormon Movies?

So, are we getting better at it? I think so.

pepektheassassin (pepektheassassin), Monday, 16 January 2006 02:11 (twenty years ago)

Isn't there going to be an HBO comedy series about the fundamentalist LDS polygamy encampments/welfare scam "families" coming soon with Bill Pullman and Chloe Sevigny in the cast? I thought I heard about that . . .

Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Monday, 16 January 2006 05:54 (twenty years ago)

Sorry, Bill Paxton. I guess it's called "Big Love". Sounds like it's not going to give as grim a portrayal of this phenomenon as that "Under the Banner of Heaven" book.

Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Monday, 16 January 2006 05:59 (twenty years ago)

Oh yeah, nothing funnier than 13-year-old girls getting fucked by their mom's cousin!

Abbott (Abbott), Monday, 16 January 2006 06:48 (twenty years ago)

"The Other Side of Heaven" just looked shit, like more "White Man's Burden" kind of nauseating claptrap. At least Johnny Lingo had the good sense not to make its hero a fucking white thrid-gen Mormon missionary, all inverse of "Things Fall Apart."

I was disappointed the nationwide movie adaptation (first in a series) of "Book of Mormon" was not rated R. In church, they'd always point out how if the Book of Mormon would be rated R if made a movie. Maybe they haven't gotten to the 10,00 strippling warriors yet:

http://www.mormonum.org/pictures/stripling_warriors.jpg

Yow! Check out those muscles flexing in the pre-glory of slaying! And according to the Book of Mormon, the kids depicted are all supposed to be a bunch of barely pubescent orphans. I love Book of Mormon art. It's so manfleshophilic.

Abbott (Abbott), Monday, 16 January 2006 06:55 (twenty years ago)

freiburgs drawings made me gay
great article, though

anthony, Monday, 16 January 2006 07:10 (twenty years ago)

five years pass...

Johnny Lingo "The 8 Cows Remix"

offee is for losers only, do you not c? (Abbbottt), Friday, 22 April 2011 16:49 (fifteen years ago)

^^^ A+ username right there

Paul McCartney and Whigs (Phil D.), Friday, 22 April 2011 16:51 (fifteen years ago)

pepektheassassin - were they trolling or did they sincerely confuse the Princess Diaries with the Princess Bride?

Land of Rap and Homies (kkvgz), Friday, 22 April 2011 16:53 (fifteen years ago)

Extreme Mormons

fit and working again, Friday, 22 April 2011 17:16 (fifteen years ago)

abbs that's a great write-up u did o so many years ago. do you remember one of those byu 70s shorts called "the phone call?" that one actually made me laugh when i saw it as a youngster, i think it featured an awkward napoleon-style teen trying to call up some girl for a date or something.

i wish someone would write an epic treatment/history of mormonism and business so i could get the inside story on pyramid schemes and polynesian miracle fruits.

motivatedgirl (Matt P), Friday, 22 April 2011 17:25 (fifteen years ago)

That lil clip fir & working again posted is like tailor made to make me lol. Mormons have such a sensitivity for any slight dissonance in depictions of them – like I have said before, half of what made me & my ex-Mormon sister laugh at in "Orgasmo" was the inclusion of shit Mormons would never say & do, like ending a phone call with "Jesus loves you." Same with that "Xtreme Missionaries" clip – v good & hilarious! But a Mormon would never attribute the teaching of a bike trick to Jesus, whose name is too scared to just go throwing around like that. This even happens in Mormon movies – you guys would not believe how put-upon my mom acted when the main lady in "The Singles Ward" (you can actually see the offending shirt in that clip).

That clip also made me want to watch "Brigham City" again, which is a really fascinating and weird movie.

offee is for losers only, do you not c? (Abbbottt), Friday, 22 April 2011 17:30 (fifteen years ago)

Matt I never saw "The Phone Call"! I wish all those BYU short films were on one DVD together. Even the less campy ones like "Prodigal Son" (which felt a lot slicker than the others) I would watch again.

offee is for losers only, do you not c? (Abbbottt), Friday, 22 April 2011 17:31 (fifteen years ago)

ALso i wish someone would write an epic treatment/history of mormonism and business so i could get the inside story on pyramid schemes and polynesian miracle fruits OTM. Melaleuca headquarters were in the city I grew up in. Is multi-level marketing so popular among Mormons bcz that's it's similar to the idea behind missionary work?

offee is for losers only, do you not c? (Abbbottt), Friday, 22 April 2011 17:32 (fifteen years ago)

Man I left an important part out of this sentence: . This even happens in Mormon movies – you guys would not believe how put-upon my mom acted when the main lady in "The Singles Ward" wore a tank top as clothing. Scandalous!

offee is for losers only, do you not c? (Abbbottt), Friday, 22 April 2011 17:34 (fifteen years ago)

Moral: Treat women like they're worth ten cows, and they'll turn into ten cow wives. Consequently, devotionals and fireside discussions for young women on how to be "ten cow wives"

A friend of mine was just posting about this on FB a few months ago!

sarahel, Friday, 22 April 2011 17:43 (fifteen years ago)

Is multi-level marketing so popular among Mormons bcz that's it's similar to the idea behind missionary work?

i think that's part of it. my friend was telling me her sister and her sister's husband, who is doing an mba at byu, are moving to ohio this summer along with all the other mba couples to participate in a "legit" multi-level marketing plan selling kitchen knives. she has already graduated and is giving up her graphic design job!

xp

motivatedgirl (Matt P), Friday, 22 April 2011 17:48 (fifteen years ago)

like, the mlm job is sanctioned by byu.

i think mormon culture and its intersections with american culture in general are fascinating but i also feel like it would kind of kill me to think about it too much, lol.

motivatedgirl (Matt P), Friday, 22 April 2011 17:53 (fifteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFnJe4zwxHg

tokyo rosemary, Friday, 22 April 2011 18:48 (fifteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkcrqGKiAps&NR=1

tokyo rosemary, Friday, 22 April 2011 18:53 (fifteen years ago)

ah man, the shirt shows her KNEES and everything!

offee is for losers only, do you not c? (Abbbottt), Friday, 22 April 2011 19:02 (fifteen years ago)

I saw "Cipher in the Snow" in public school, too, and it's occurred to me that if it is a true story (which I doubt), it's probably a cover story for a suicide.

Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Saturday, 23 April 2011 18:02 (fifteen years ago)

No it's based on a fictional short story which showed up in the first Chicken Soup For the Soul book, iirc. (Weird – just looked up the wiki & it was first published in the NEA Journal!!?!) Totally part of the genre Snopes calls glurge. (One of their examples of "glurge" is the blood transfusion story I mentioned – they cite the lil Mormon short film.)

"Cipher in the Snow" is clearly fiction, tho, is the point. My friend made a short EP of songs about short stories he was obsessed with in high school & Cipher was one of them.

offee is for losers only, do you not c? (Abbbottt), Saturday, 23 April 2011 18:13 (fifteen years ago)

OMG it is available on DVD:

This DVD includes the four following BYU Film Classics:

Cipher in the Snow: When a teenage boy dies unexpectedly, his math teacher is asked to notify the parents and write the obituary. Although he was the boy's favorite teacher, he hardly knew him. Shy and ostracized, the boy was considered a "cipher"--an unknown number in a class rollbook. As the teacher unravels the mystery of what led to the boy's death, he commits himself to not letting others suffer the same fate.

The Gift: A twelve-year-old boy struggles to understand why his father is so hard on him. When he realizes that his father is simply trying to teach him a strong work ethic, the boy searches for the perfect Christmas gift to give in return. Since it is the depression of the mid 1930's, money is scarce, but when he decides to get up early on Christmas morning to do the farm chores, he gives him a gift that will last a lifetime.

The Emmett Smith Story: When Emmett Smith has a brain tumor removed, he loses his equilibrium and is told he will never run again. With determination, the high school track coach is able to run 20 miles once again within a year. When Cindy Duncan becomes a student at his high school, Emmett challenges her to do the same: set a goal for leaving her wheel chair to walk to the podium to get her graduation diploma.

John Baker's Last Race: When John Baker learns he is dying of cancer, he faces a choice: to end his life, or to use his remaining time to make a difference in others' lives. He chooses to dedicate himself to his young students and his citywide girls' track team, leaving them with a legacy of love and accomplishment, and an understanding of the value of determination and a positive attitude.

The Phone Call: Have to make that phone call for a date? This hilarious look at the funny (and nerve-wracking) side of dating is a classic!

offee is for losers only, do you not c? (Abbbottt), Saturday, 23 April 2011 18:15 (fifteen years ago)

Also I am not really sure BYU knows how to count, but nice to know "The Phone Call" is available. I think the story "The Gift" was based on ended up in Chicken Soup For the Soul, too.

offee is for losers only, do you not c? (Abbbottt), Saturday, 23 April 2011 18:16 (fifteen years ago)

whenever I see the screenname "Abbott" now it looks like it says "Abot" because I am used to mentally subtracting 1 b and 1 t.

The Savage Dunkster (absolutely clean glasses), Saturday, 23 April 2011 18:20 (fifteen years ago)

!!!!!!

offee is for losers only, do you not c? (Abbbottt), Saturday, 23 April 2011 18:21 (fifteen years ago)

I am thinking about it & I think the key to a story that will be popular with Mormons is to be obv didactic & sentimental but, most importantly, tellable in less than two minutes so it can be recycled in seminary devotionals and fireside openers for-ev-er.

offee is for losers only, do you not c? (Abbbottt), Saturday, 23 April 2011 19:15 (fifteen years ago)

xp Huh. I was always told this as a true story and the teacher who showed this to us referred to it as a true story. Live and learn.

Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Saturday, 23 April 2011 23:47 (fifteen years ago)


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