If this is acceptable, under which circumstances can she do it?
Does it differ from assault?
If a woman slaps a man, is it okay for him to slap her back?
Who is your favourite female screen slapper?
Is slapping empowering? Glamorous? Do you like to slap?
― Rumpie (lil drummer girl parumpumpumpu), Monday, 23 January 2006 10:30 (twenty years ago)
― RJG (RJG), Monday, 23 January 2006 10:33 (twenty years ago)
― the kit! (g-kit), Monday, 23 January 2006 10:34 (twenty years ago)
It looks satisfying though.
― Rumpie (lil drummer girl parumpumpumpu), Monday, 23 January 2006 10:37 (twenty years ago)
― Zora (Zora), Monday, 23 January 2006 10:40 (twenty years ago)
I guess my problem is, I tend to slap, not as a signal of "you've gone too far" which is what it sould be, but more of a signal of "let's escalate this".
It is powerful, it is glamourous, it is sexy. But I never treat it as something done truly in anger.
Then again, as I've been told repeatedly this weekend, I guess I'm a bit of a sexual control freak.
― Trying To Resonate Concrete (kate), Monday, 23 January 2006 10:42 (twenty years ago)
― the kit! (g-kit), Monday, 23 January 2006 10:47 (twenty years ago)
― RJG (RJG), Monday, 23 January 2006 10:48 (twenty years ago)
― xero (xero), Monday, 23 January 2006 10:48 (twenty years ago)
http://www.thewestonmercury.co.uk/archived_material/2003/week_40/news/assets/03-10-03JoanIndex.jpg
― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Monday, 23 January 2006 10:50 (twenty years ago)
In any other circumstances I don't really think it's fair to slap and not expect some retaliation, be it from a man or a woman.
Only in the circumstances outlined above, and then only because it's a fairly controlled response and has more dignity than screaming "why? How could you???" etc. Someone would really, really have to emotionally wound me very deeply for me to slap them.
Or they would have to slap me first. Then they'd get such a fucking slapping, I tell you...
― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Monday, 23 January 2006 10:51 (twenty years ago)
But I think we are actually talking about two different kinds of slapping. That there's the slapping which is a fullstop to a conversation, the "how dare you!" slap of an offended woman. Like Trish describes above in the x-post.
And then there's the "OK, we're stepping over a line" slap which is where the interplay of a couple arguing for the pleasure of the frisson stops being mere words and becomes the "what are you going to do about it?"
The reponse to the former is to storm off, and never return without risking guns at dawn. The response to the latter is more likely to be, to grab the lady's hands, brief physical tussle, followed by highly empassioned "you're beautiful when you're angry" kissing.
But anyway, that's enough about my lovelife. :-)
― Trying To Resonate Concrete (kate), Monday, 23 January 2006 10:55 (twenty years ago)
― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Monday, 23 January 2006 11:02 (twenty years ago)
― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 23 January 2006 11:02 (twenty years ago)
― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Monday, 23 January 2006 11:03 (twenty years ago)
― the kit! (g-kit), Monday, 23 January 2006 11:05 (twenty years ago)
― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Monday, 23 January 2006 11:06 (twenty years ago)
― the kit! (g-kit), Monday, 23 January 2006 11:06 (twenty years ago)
― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Monday, 23 January 2006 11:07 (twenty years ago)
― 'Curt' Russell (noodle vague), Monday, 23 January 2006 11:39 (twenty years ago)
― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Monday, 23 January 2006 11:43 (twenty years ago)
― Momus (Momus), Monday, 23 January 2006 11:46 (twenty years ago)
proper response:
http://www.sacticket.com/static/movies/dvd_video/images/gangster02.jpg
― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 23 January 2006 11:53 (twenty years ago)
― 'Curt' Russell (noodle vague), Monday, 23 January 2006 11:54 (twenty years ago)
― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 23 January 2006 11:56 (twenty years ago)
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 23 January 2006 11:58 (twenty years ago)
― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 23 January 2006 11:59 (twenty years ago)
― C J (C J), Monday, 23 January 2006 12:00 (twenty years ago)
if this is acceptable, under which circumstances can she do it?
does it differ from assault?
― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 23 January 2006 12:01 (twenty years ago)
― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Monday, 23 January 2006 12:01 (twenty years ago)
― the kit! (g-kit), Monday, 23 January 2006 12:10 (twenty years ago)
-- Trying To Resonate Concrete (masonicboo...),
Yikes! That is too sexy.
― ratty, Monday, 23 January 2006 12:12 (twenty years ago)
― lauren (laurenp), Monday, 23 January 2006 12:13 (twenty years ago)
― Trying To Resonate Concrete (kate), Monday, 23 January 2006 12:14 (twenty years ago)
― ratty, Monday, 23 January 2006 12:16 (twenty years ago)
(xpost)
― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 23 January 2006 12:16 (twenty years ago)
― 'Curt' Russell (noodle vague), Monday, 23 January 2006 12:18 (twenty years ago)
― StanM (StanM), Monday, 23 January 2006 12:22 (twenty years ago)
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 23 January 2006 12:23 (twenty years ago)
― Trying To Resonate Concrete (kate), Monday, 23 January 2006 12:24 (twenty years ago)
― ratty, Monday, 23 January 2006 12:25 (twenty years ago)
Then again, this is why posh boys are usually so hot. They all went to Public School, they all like to be spanked, caned, etc.
― Trying To Resonate Concrete (kate), Monday, 23 January 2006 12:29 (twenty years ago)
― Trying To Resonate Concrete (kate), Monday, 23 January 2006 12:30 (twenty years ago)
(actually I think we'll leave that there)
― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 23 January 2006 12:40 (twenty years ago)
― lauren (laurenp), Monday, 23 January 2006 12:40 (twenty years ago)
― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Monday, 23 January 2006 12:46 (twenty years ago)
― Merryweather (scarlet), Monday, 23 January 2006 12:51 (twenty years ago)
― Merryweather (scarlet), Monday, 23 January 2006 12:52 (twenty years ago)
― lauren (laurenp), Monday, 23 January 2006 13:05 (twenty years ago)
ANDIE MCDOWELL did it to Bill Murray in Groundhog Day; Gwyneth Paltrow did it to Colin Firth in Shakespeare in Love; Heather Locklear does it to Michael J. Fox in Spin City.
They slapped them. And the men -- because they're "real men" -- turned the other cheek, while we, the audience, looked the other way. Or didn't even notice it.
So ingrained is the female slap in our cinematic psyche that we hardly blink, much less flinch, considering the slap more as a quirky female statement of disapproval than as an act of violence. Usually delivered with little to no provocation, the slap is even considered comical under certain circumstances.
On film, the man routinely accepts the slap without any significant response. His head swings back front and center -- ready for whatever comes next -- as though nothing happened. When Michael J. Fox gets his during a conversation in a Spin City episode, he doesn't even stop jabbering. Talk about funny.
But a woman slapping a man is no funnier than a man slapping a woman, even though we respond differently to each. In films, we despise the brute who slaps a woman. In life, we charge him with assault, throw him into jail, alienate him from his children, add another folder to the domestic violence files, pass Washington and collect $200 for another woman's shelter.
Why, in this era of heightened sensitivity toward domestic violence and sexual equality, are we still passing off the female slap as the innocuous, cutesy manifestation of the little lady in the throes of a spat?
Violence isn't cute or funny, and slapping is violence regardless of context. I don't want to rear boys in a world thattolerates female violence against men, nor do I want to rear girls to think that they can hit a man without consequence.
In fact, a woman who slaps a man in real life may well end up in the hospital. That's not to excuse the man who hits back -- or to imply that the woman deserves it -- but common sense suggests that striking someone may get you hurt.
To imply otherwise, through film, television or humorous anecdote, is what's known as bad information.
Murray Straus, co-director of the University of New Hampshire Family Research Laboratory, noted the prevalence of such bad information during a 1998 psychology symposium.
"Millions of young women have been told, 'If he gets fresh, slap him,' rather than, 'If he gets fresh, leave immediately,' " said Straus.
Straus has been at the center of controversy over "couple conflict" studies in which he found that women instigate violence as often as men, though women suffer more serious injury and, sometimes, death. The reason for the discrepancy between his research and others', he said, is that other studies focus on "crime" reports, most of which are filed by women.
Few men would call the police over a slap, and for good reason.
A 1960 study by the Commission on the Causes and Prevention of Violence found that slightly more than one in five American adults believe that it is permissible for a woman to slap her husband's face. Replicating the research in 1985, 1992 and 1995, Straus got the same results.
Our dubious approval of the female slap has been made possible largely by the repetition of cinematic and television images through the decades.
But it's a bad message for everyone, especially for the woman who thought she could get away with it and didn't
― Rumpie (lil drummer girl parumpumpumpu), Monday, 23 January 2006 13:09 (twenty years ago)
― TOMBOT, Monday, 23 January 2006 14:26 (twenty years ago)
― Digital Underground (Dan Perry), Monday, 23 January 2006 14:32 (twenty years ago)
Isn't this is a bit Hays Code? Sure, we see women slap men on telly and get away with it. Just like we see people shoot people on telly and get away with it, sleep around and not get venereal diseases, get into fist fights and not break their own hands, and so on. Telly isn't real. Films aren't real. The kind of serious slapping that is being talked about there is much more shocking when you see (or even hear) it in real life. And it's not okay. I know several men who have broken up with girlfriends because their girlfriends thought it was acceptable to hit them or throw things at them when they got mad, and it just isn't. But I have a feeling that might be more to do with bad education than bad telly.Though it looks so in the movies, I've always had nothing but guilt and regret and general feeling awful after striking someone.Jaq's right, but this statement could apply to many things other than just slapping. People on telly and in films are always doing and saying the kind of things to their nearest and dearest that would, in reality, see them firmly dumped for being psychos. Slapping's only one of those things.
― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Monday, 23 January 2006 15:28 (twenty years ago)
― suzy (suzy), Monday, 23 January 2006 15:31 (twenty years ago)
― ken c (ken c), Monday, 23 January 2006 15:36 (twenty years ago)
― AleXTC (AleXTC), Monday, 23 January 2006 15:37 (twenty years ago)
― mookieproof (mookieproof), Monday, 23 January 2006 15:37 (twenty years ago)
― mookieproof (mookieproof), Monday, 23 January 2006 15:38 (twenty years ago)
like, playing bass to the red hot chili peppers while having sex ?
― AleXTC (AleXTC), Monday, 23 January 2006 15:39 (twenty years ago)
― M. White (Miguelito), Monday, 23 January 2006 15:39 (twenty years ago)
Just say no, kids.
― 'Curt' Russell (noodle vague), Monday, 23 January 2006 15:40 (twenty years ago)
― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Monday, 23 January 2006 15:41 (twenty years ago)
― Je4nn3 ƒur¥ (Je4nne Fury), Monday, 23 January 2006 15:42 (twenty years ago)
So OTM. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't hit back -- I'd do something that hurt 'em worse: I'd walk out and take away their target.
― truck-patch pixel farmer (my crop froze in the field) (Rock Hardy), Monday, 23 January 2006 15:42 (twenty years ago)
― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 23 January 2006 15:46 (twenty years ago)
it's so true. people only do it because they've seen it in films (like the kick in the nuts thing.
― ken c (ken c), Monday, 23 January 2006 15:46 (twenty years ago)
― AleXTC (AleXTC), Monday, 23 January 2006 15:47 (twenty years ago)
― ken c (ken c), Monday, 23 January 2006 15:48 (twenty years ago)
― ken c (ken c), Monday, 23 January 2006 15:49 (twenty years ago)
"When you're slapped you'll take it and like it."
― 'Curt' Russell (noodle vague), Monday, 23 January 2006 15:51 (twenty years ago)
― Trying To Resonate Concrete (kate), Monday, 23 January 2006 15:53 (twenty years ago)
― AleXTC (AleXTC), Monday, 23 January 2006 15:53 (twenty years ago)
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 23 January 2006 16:57 (twenty years ago)
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 23 January 2006 17:03 (twenty years ago)
― ambrose (ambrose), Monday, 23 January 2006 17:04 (twenty years ago)
It is. It is a box every man must tick. Also, when she slaps you, you must not react, because you are such a man, you hardly felt a thing! Then, pumelling away at your chest, preferably with her fan, she must say, 'You great big insensitive lunk! I hate you! I hate you!' Then she collapses helplessly in your arms and you kiss. Strings. Screen dissolve.
― ratty, Monday, 23 January 2006 21:21 (twenty years ago)
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 23 January 2006 21:57 (twenty years ago)
― Trying To Resonate Concrete (kate), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 10:30 (twenty years ago)
― emilys. (emilys.), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 04:44 (twenty years ago)
― ratty, Wednesday, 25 January 2006 05:08 (twenty years ago)
― Pete Scholtes (Pete Scholtes), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 05:22 (twenty years ago)
it was kinda hot.
― t0dd swiss (immobilisme), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 05:34 (twenty years ago)
― gear (gear), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 05:34 (twenty years ago)
x-post
― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 06:14 (twenty years ago)
― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 06:22 (twenty years ago)
xpost
― t0dd swiss (immobilisme), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 08:49 (twenty years ago)
This is fantastic!!!
― Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 15:21 (twenty years ago)
this was my high school experience too.
― stockholm cindy (winter version) (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 15:54 (twenty years ago)
― stockholm cindy (winter version) (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 15:56 (twenty years ago)
The fact that I later went home with her was due more to the fact that she was very cute rather than the slapping.
― Stone Monkey (Stone Monkey), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 15:57 (twenty years ago)
― emilys. (emilys.), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 22:19 (twenty years ago)
I don't make a habit of it.
― ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 22:29 (twenty years ago)
― emilys. (emilys.), Saturday, 4 February 2006 03:56 (twenty years ago)
― electric sound of jim (and why not) (electricsound), Saturday, 4 February 2006 04:08 (twenty years ago)
― She's been known to sleep on piles of dry leaves... (papa november), Saturday, 4 February 2006 04:20 (twenty years ago)
― Momus (Momus), Saturday, 4 February 2006 04:30 (twenty years ago)
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Saturday, 4 February 2006 04:31 (twenty years ago)
― ratty, Saturday, 4 February 2006 07:55 (twenty years ago)
She: Nicholas, Rob's dead....
Me: (grins). No he's not! He's just gone on holiday!
Turns out we were talking about different people. From her perspective, I think this slap was probably justified.
― Nicholas Passant (Nicholas Passant), Saturday, 4 February 2006 12:39 (twenty years ago)
― Nicholas Passant (Nicholas Passant), Saturday, 4 February 2006 12:56 (twenty years ago)