Abercrombie and Fitch

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Mike Jeffries turned a moribund company into a multibillion-dollar brand by selling youth, sex and casual superiority. Not bad for a 61-year-old in flip-flops.


By Benoit Denizet-Lewis
Salon.com

Jan. 24, 2006 | Mike Jeffries, the 61-year-old CEO of Abercrombie & Fitch, says "dude" a lot. He'll say, "What a cool idea, dude," or, when the jeans on a store's mannequin are too thin in the calves, "Let's make this dude look more like a dude," or, when I ask him why he dyes his hair blond, "Dude, I'm not an old fart who wears his jeans up at his shoulders."

This fall, on my second day at Abercrombie & Fitch's 300-acre headquarters in the Ohio woods, Jeffries -- sporting torn Abercrombie jeans, a blue Abercrombie muscle polo, and Abercrombie flip-flops -- stood behind me in the cafeteria line and said, "You're looking really A&F today, dude." (An enormous steel-clad barn with laminated wood accents, the cafeteria feels like an Olympic Village dining hall in the Swiss Alps.) I didn't have the heart to tell Jeffries that I was actually wearing American Eagle jeans. To Jeffries, the "A&F guy" is the best of what America has to offer: He's cool, he's beautiful, he's funny, he's masculine, he's optimistic, and he's certainly not "cynical" or "moody," two traits he finds wholly unattractive.

Jeffries' endorsement of my look was a step up from the previous day, when I made the mistake of dressing my age (30). I arrived in a dress shirt, khakis and dress shoes, prompting A&F spokesman Tom Lennox -- at 39, he's a virtual senior citizen among Jeffries' youthful workforce -- to look concerned and offer me a pair of flip-flops. Just about everyone at A&F headquarters wears flip-flops, torn Abercrombie jeans, and either a polo shirt or a sweater from Abercrombie or Hollister, Jeffries' brand aimed at high school students.

When I first arrived on "campus," as many A&F employees refer to it, I felt as if I had stepped into a pleasantly parallel universe. The idyllic compound took two years and $131 million to complete, and it was designed so nothing of the outside world can be seen or heard. Jeffries has banished the "cynicism" of the real world in favor of a cultlike immersion in his brand identity. The complex does feel like a kind of college campus, albeit one with a soundtrack you can't turn off. Dance music plays constantly in each of the airy, tin-roofed buildings, and when I entered the spacious front lobby, where a wooden canoe hangs from the ceiling, two attractive young men in Abercrombie polo shirts and torn Abercrombie jeans sat at the welcome desk, one checking his Friendster.com messages while the other swayed subtly to the Pet Shop Boys song "If Looks Could Kill."

If looks could kill, everyone here would be dead. Jeffries' employees are young, painfully attractive, and exceedingly eager, and they travel around the campus on playground scooters, stopping occasionally to chill out by the bonfire that burns most days in a pit at the center of campus. The outdoorsy, summer-camp feel of the place is accentuated by a treehouse conference room, barnlike building and sheds with gridded windows, and a plethora of wooden decks and porches. But the campus also feels oddly urban -- and, at times, stark and unwelcoming. The pallid, neo-industrial two-story buildings are built around a winding cement road, reminding employees that this is a workplace, after all.

Inside, the airy and modern workspaces are designed to encourage communication and teamwork, and everywhere you look, smiley employees are brainstorming or eagerly recounting their weekends. "I'm not drinking again for a year," one young employee said to another as they passed me in the hall. There are few "offices" and even fewer doors at A&F central. Jeffries, for example, uses an airy conference room as his office, and he spends much of his days huddling with designers who come armed with their newest ideas and designs.

The press-shy Jeffries rarely grants interviews, but he invited me to A&F's Ohio headquarters to promote the opening of his first flagship store, a four-story, 23,000-square-foot behemoth across the street from Trump Tower in Manhattan. To celebrate the opening, in November Jeffries threw a packed, ritzy, invitation-only party at the store, at which slightly soused women paid $10 apiece to have Polaroids of themselves taken with shirtless A&F model Matt Ratliff. And why not throw a party? Life is good for Jeffries, who in 14 years has transformed Abercrombie & Fitch from a struggling retailer of "fuddy-duddy clothes" into the most dominant and imitated lifestyle-based brand for young men in America.

Valued at $5 billion, the company now has revenues approaching $2 billion a year rolling in from more than 800 stores and four successful brands. For the kids there's Abercrombie, aimed at middle schoolers who want to look like their cool older siblings. For high schoolers there's Hollister, a wildly popular surf-inspired look for "energetic and outgoing guys and girls" that has quickly become the brand of choice for Midwestern teens who wish they lived in Laguna Beach, Calif.

When the Hollister kids head off to college, Jeffries has a brand -- the preppy and collegiate Abercrombie & Fitch -- waiting for them there. And for the post-college professional who is still young at heart, Jeffries recently launched Ruehl, a casual sportswear line that targets 22- to 35-year-olds.

While Wall Street analysts and the companies' many critics gleefully predict A&F's impending demise every year or so, they have yet to be right. The company struggled some in the post-9/11 period, when, unlike other slumping retailers, it refused to offer discounts or promotions. But A&F's earnings have nonetheless increased for 52 straight quarters, excluding a one-time charge in 2004. "To me it's the most amazing record that exists in U.S. retailing, period," says A.G. Edwards analyst Robert Buchanan.

As his A&F brand has reached iconic status, Jeffries has raised prices, only to find that the brand's loyal fans will gladly pay whatever he asks. Total sales for November 2005 increased 34 percent over the year before, more than five times the gain made by A&F's main competitor, American Eagle. And while many retailers struggled during the Christmas season, Abercrombie thrived -- it scored year-over-year gains of 29 percent in December, compared to 1.5 percent for other specialty retail stores.

Next, Jeffries plans to open his first store overseas, in London, and continue the transformation of A&F from American frat-bro wear to luxury lifestyle brand. I wouldn't bet against him. If history is any indication, Jeffries won't let anyone -- "girlcotting" high school feminists, humorless Asians, angry shareholders, thong-hating parents, lawsuit-happy minorities, nosy journalists, copycat competitors or uptight moralists -- get in his way.

Examples of his strange behavior abound. According to Business Week, at A&F headquarters, Jeffries always goes through revolving doors twice, never passes employees on stairwells, parks his Porsche every day at the same angle in the parking lot (keys between the seats, doors unlocked), and has a pair of "lucky shoes" he wears when reading financial reports.

His biggest obsession, though, is realizing his singular vision of idealized all-American youth. He wants desperately to look like his target customer (the casually flawless college kid), and in that pursuit he has aggressively transformed himself from a classically handsome man into a cartoonish physical specimen: dyed hair, perfectly white teeth, golden tan, bulging biceps, wrinkle-free face, and big, Angelina Jolie lips. But while he can't turn back the clock, he can -- and has -- done the next best thing, creating a parallel universe of beauty and exclusivity where his attractions and obsessions have made him millions, shaped modern culture's concepts of gender, masculinity and physical beauty, and made over himself and the world in his image, leaving them both just a little more bizarre than he found them.

Much more than just a brand, Abercrombie & Fitch successfully resuscitated a 1990s version of a 1950s ideal -- the white, masculine "beefcake" -- during a time of political correctness and rejection of '50s orthodoxy. But it did so with profound and significant differences. A&F aged the masculine ideal downward, celebrating young men in their teens and early 20s with smooth, gym-toned bodies and perfectly coifed hair. While feigning casualness (many of its clothes look like they've spent years in washing machine, then a hamper), Abercrombie actually celebrates the vain, highly constructed male. After all, there is nothing casual about an A&F sweatshirt worn over two A&F polos worn over an A&F T-shirt. (A&F has had less of a cultural impact on women's fashion. Its girls' line is preppy, sexy and popular, but the company has mostly remained focused on pleasing the all-American college boy.)

For many young men, to wear Abercrombie is to broadcast masculinity, athleticism and inclusion in the "cool boys club" without even having to open their mouths (that may be why the brand is so popular among some gay men who want desperately to announce their non-effeminacy). But because A&F's vision is so constructed and commodified (and because what A&F sells is not so much manhood but perennial boyhood), there is also something oddly emasculating about it. Compared to the 1950s ideal, A&F's version of maleness feels restrictive and claustrophobic. If becoming a man is about independence and growing up, then Abercrombie doesn't feel very masculine at all.

In that way, the brand is a lot like its creator. While Jeffries wears A&F clothes, the uniform doesn't succeed at making him seem boyish or particularly masculine. And for a man obsessed with creating a "sexy and emotional experience" for his customers, Jeffries comes off as oddly asexual. He is touchy-feely with some of his employees, both male and female, but the touch is decidedly paternal.

Remarkably little is known about Jeffries' personal life. There are few people who claim to know Jeffries well, and those who do wouldn't comment for this story. What is known is that Jeffries has a grown son, lives separately from his wife, and, according to Business Week, has a Herb Ritts photo of a toned male torso hanging over the fireplace in his bedroom.

Jeffries wouldn't discuss any of that with me, and he fidgeted nervously and grew visibly agitated when I asked about several of the many controversies and lawsuits he has weathered in his 14 years at the helm of A&F. Our first bump came when I mentioned the 2002 uproar over the company's thongs for middle-school girls, which had "Eye Candy" and "Wink Wink" printed on their fronts. "That was a bunch of bullshit," he said, sweating profusely. "People said we were cynical, that we were sexualizing little girls. But you know what? I still think those are cute underwear for little girls. And I think anybody who gets on a bandwagon about thongs for little girls is crazy. Just crazy! There's so much craziness about sex in this country. It's nuts! I can see getting upset about letting your girl hang out with a bunch of old pervs, but why would you let your girl hang out with a bunch of old pervs?"

Later I brought up the brouhaha surrounding the A&F Quarterly, which, until it was discontinued in 2003, boasted articles about the history of orgies and pictures of chiseled, mostly white, all-American boys and girls (but mostly boys) cavorting naked on horses, beaches, pianos, surfboards, statues and phallically suggestive tree trunks. The magalog so outraged the American Decency Association that it called for a boycott and started selling anti-Abercrombie T-shirts: "Ditch Fitch: Abercrombie Peddles Porn and Exploits Children." Meanwhile, gay men across America were eagerly collecting the magazines, lured by photographer Bruce Weber's taste for beautiful, masculine boys playfully pulling off each other's boxers.

Jeffries nearly fell over in exasperation when I mentioned the magalog, although I'm not sure which charge -- that he sells sex to kids or that his advertising is homoerotic -- bothered him more. "That's just so wrong!" he said. "I think that what we represent sexually is healthy. It's playful. It's not dark. It's not degrading! And it's not gay, and it's not straight, and it's not black, and it's not white. It's not about any labels. That would be cynical, and we're not cynical! It's all depicting this wonderful camaraderie, friendship, and playfulness that exist in this generation and, candidly, does not exist in the older generation."

Jeffries alternates his grumpy defensiveness with moments of surprising candor, making him at times oddly endearing. He admitted things out loud that some youth-focused retailers wouldn't (which may be why he panicked and pulled his cooperation from this story two days after I left A&F headquarters, offering no explanation). For example, when I ask him how important sex and sexual attraction are in what he calls the "emotional experience" he creates for his customers, he says, "It's almost everything. That's why we hire good-looking people in our stores. Because good-looking people attract other good-looking people, and we want to market to cool, good-looking people. We don't market to anyone other than that."

As far as Jeffries is concerned, America's unattractive, overweight or otherwise undesirable teens can shop elsewhere. "In every school there are the cool and popular kids, and then there are the not-so-cool kids," he says. "Candidly, we go after the cool kids. We go after the attractive all-American kid with a great attitude and a lot of friends. A lot of people don't belong [in our clothes], and they can't belong. Are we exclusionary? Absolutely. Those companies that are in trouble are trying to target everybody: young, old, fat, skinny. But then you become totally vanilla. You don't alienate anybody, but you don't excite anybody, either."

Jeffries' obsession with building brands began when he was 5. He grew up in Los Angeles, where his father owned a chain of party supply stores for which a young Jeffries liked to organize and design the windows and counters. "I would always say to my parents, 'We need another store. We need another!'" Jeffries recalls. "I always wanted to expand and get bigger, and I would get off on saying, 'Why do we do the fixtures like this? Why don't we do it another way?' That totally turned me on."

Jeffries says he had a "very classic American youth," although he was not good at sports. "I broke my dad's heart because I wasn't good at basketball," he says. In high school in the late 1950s, Jeffries always wore Levi's jeans. "Actually, don't write that," he tells me, laughing. "But Levi's was definitely the uniform back then, kind of like what A&F has become. If you didn't wear 501s you were considered weird."

No one cool wore Abercrombie & Fitch when Jeffries went off to Claremont McKenna College and then to Columbia University, where he earned a master's degree in business administration. In fact, the company's best years were long behind it. Founded in 1892, in its heyday it served Presidents Hoover and Eisenhower (they bought their fishing equipment there), Ernest Hemingway (guns), and Cole Porter (evening clothes). During prohibition A&F was where the in crowd went for its hip flasks. But by the 1970s it had become a fashion backwater, holding on for dear life.

Leslee O'Neill, A&F's executive vice president of planning and allocation, remembers what the company was like before Jeffries got there. "We had old clothes that no one liked," she says. "It was a mess, a total disaster. We had this old library at our headquarters with all these really old books. There were croquet sets lying around. It was very English."

The company, which since 1988 had been owned by the Limited, was losing $25 million a year when Jeffries arrived and announced that A&F could survive and prosper as a "young, hip, spirited company." "We're all there thinking, Oh yeah, right. Abercrombie & Fitch?" recalls O'Neill. "But in the end we were like, Well, why not? It can't get any worse." Jeffries, then in his late 40s, dressed in oxford shirts and corduroy pants. "He was a lot more normal back then," O'Neill says. "Today he's much more eccentric, obviously."

Maybe, although former co-workers at Paul Harris recall that Jeffries had an odd personal style even back then. "He wore the same outfit to work every day," recalls Thomas Yeo, a Paul Harris colleague. "Nearly worn-out suede loafers, a pair of gray flannel pants, and a double-breasted navy blazer. I don't think he ever changed his clothes. All that seemed to matter to him was the success of the brand."

Jan Woodruff, who also worked with Jeffries at Paul Harris, remembers him as a workaholic. "If he had a life outside work, it wasn't something people knew about," says Woodruff. But Woodruff and others say he has a superlative fashion mind. "It's so rare to find someone who is brilliant at both the creative and the business sides. But Jeffries is both. He's good at thinking in broad terms, but he's also obsessed with details. And I've never seen anyone as driven as Mike. I had no doubt he would be incredibly successful if he found the right venue. And he found it."

Soon after taking over A&F, Jeffries went looking early on for the right man to help him make A&F a sexy, aspirational brand. He settled on Bruce Weber, already a renowned photographer known for his male nudes. "But back then we couldn't afford him for an actual shoot," Jeffries told me, "so we bought one picture from him and hung it in a store window."

Fourteen years later, Jeffries' success is the envy of the fashion world. In a recent feature called "The Abercrombie Effect" in DNR, a newsmagazine about men's fashion and retail, the magazine noted that "not since Ralph Lauren's ascent in the 1980s has a single brand perfected a lifestyle-based look so often alluded to and imitated." Now Ralph Lauren's doing the imitating, opening a chain of collegiate, WASPy Polo knockoff stores called Rugby for young customers, featuring in-store grunge bands and beautiful salespeople.

"Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery," says Margaret Doerrer, national sales manager for young men at Union Bay, another youth-oriented label. "In the young men's market, for the longest time no one was creating a 'lifestyle.' Particularly in the department stores, everyone was focused on hip-hop and urban brands, and no one was creating that average, American Joe look. Jeffries never lost sight of who his customer is, and he created a quality brand that caters to the cool clique and has a sense of exclusivity, yet it still has a mass appeal, because people want to be a part of it. It's genius."

Maybe it's just the price of success, but it's not a normal day in America if someone isn't suing (or boycotting, or "girlcotting") Abercrombie & Fitch, which has become a lightning rod for both the left and the right. In 2004 A&F paid $40 million to settle a class-action suit brought by minority employees who said they were either denied employment or forced to work in back rooms, where they wouldn't be seen by customers. While A&F denied any wrongdoing, Jeffries said the suit taught him a lesson: "I don't think we were in any sense guilty of racism, but I think we just didn't work hard enough as a company to create more balance and diversity. And we have, and I think that's made us a better company. We have minority recruiters. And if you go into our stores you see great-looking kids of all races."

In the latest episode, last fall a group of high school girls from Allegheny County, Penn., made the rounds of television talk shows to protest the company's "offensive" T-shirts. Of particular concern were shirts that read "Who Needs a Brain When You Have These?" "Gentlemen Prefer Tig Ol' Bitties" and "Do I Make You Look Fat?"

"Abercrombie has a history of insensitivity," the group's well-spoken Emma Blackman-Mathis, 16, told me, "and there is no company with as big an impact on the standards of beauty. There are kids starving themselves so they can be the 'Abercrombie girl,' and there are guys who think they aren't worthy if they don't look exactly like the guys on the wall."

The protest (which resulted in A&F pulling "Who Needs a Brain When You Have These?" and "Gentlemen Prefer Tig Ol' Bitties" but retaining "Do I Make You Look Fat?" and others) began after my visit, so I couldn't ask Jeffries about it. But I did ask him about other T-shirt dust-ups, including "It's All Relative in West Virginia" (which West Virginia's governor didn't find funny), Bad Girls Chug. Good Girls Drink Quickly (which angered anti-addiction groups), and Wong Brothers Laundry Service -- Two Wongs Can Make It White (which triggered protests from Asian groups).

Remarkably, Jeffries says he has a "morals committee for T-shirts" whose job it is to make sure this sort of thing doesn't happen. "Sometimes they're on vacation," he admits with a smile. "Listen, do we go too far sometimes? Absolutely. But we push the envelope, and we try to be funny, and we try to stay authentic and relevant to our target customer. I really don't care what anyone other than our target customer thinks."

What about shareholders? Last year aggrieved Abercrombie shareholders filed a suit against the company alleging that Jeffries' compensation was excessive. (The suit was settled; his $12 million "stay bonus" was reduced to $6 million, and he gave up some stock options. In 2004 he made approximately $25 million.) Other suits, still pending, accuse Jeffries of misleading stockholders about the company's profits. "You settle because it's a distraction," Jeffries told me. "I can't let anybody be distracted here. Me included. We are passionate about what we do here on a daily basis, and if any of us is tied up with this nonsense, it's counterproductive. We're a very popular company. We have a lot of money. And we're targets."

Jeffries dismisses the idea that he courts controversy deliberately to sell clothes, although the endless complaints about Abercrombie perverting the minds of America's youth undoubtedly makes the brand even more appealing to them. Meanwhile, the slogan-free items, which are for the most part as unthreatening as those of any other, less controversial label, fly under the parental radar. "Abercrombie remains a very acceptable look for Mom," says Union Bay's Doerrer. "I don't think many mothers of 16-year-old boys dressed in Abercrombie will make them go upstairs and change."

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Jeffries says that A&F is a collaborative environment ("a diva-free zone," is how he put it to me), but in the end he makes every decision -- from the hiring of the models to the placement of every item of clothing in every store. There are model stores for each of the four brands at A&F headquarters, and he spends much of his time making sure they're perfect. When they are, everything is photographed and sent to individual outlets to be replicated to the last detail. If there's an A&F diva, it's Jeffries.

I got a firsthand look at his perfectionism in action when he invited me along for the final walk-through for the Christmas setup of his stores.

"How does a store look? How does it feel? How does it smell? That's what I'm obsessed with," Jeffries said as we walked quickly toward the Hollister model store surrounded by a handful of his top deputies, including Tom Mendenhall, a senior vice president whom Jeffries recently lured away from Gucci.

Inside the dimly lit Hollister store, which is designed to look like a cozy California beach house (there are surfboards, canoes, comfy chairs to lounge in, magazines to read, and two screens with live shots of Huntington Beach, courtesy of cameras permanently affixed to a pier), Jeffries paused in front of two mannequins and shook his head. "No, no, we're still not there, guys," he shouted over the No Doubt song "Spiderwebs," which blasted throughout the store. He stared at the jeans on the female mannequin. "The jeans are too high. I think she has to be lower."

A guy named Josh got down on his knees and started fidgeting with the jeans, trying to pull them down so they hung to the ground. "And we need to make the leg as skinny as we can," Jeffries said. "Should we clip the back of the leg in the knee?" Two employees scurried off to get clips. "We want it bigger at the top and skinnier at the legs. Yes, that's sexier. Much better. That's less butch." (Jeffries isn't a fan of the "butch" look, though when they were all the rage he grudgingly incorporated camouflage army pants into his Hollister line for girls.)

Jeffries then turned his attention to the male mannequin. "OK, how rugged and masculine can we make this guy?" he asked, prompting a couple of his assistants to fidget with the jeans, making them bigger in the leg. "Good, he looks cooler now. He's got more attitude. We love attitude."

There was more mannequin fixing at the A&F store, where a male one decked out in jeans wasn't looking very manly. "We have to fix this guy's package," Jeffries said. "We could stuff him," a girl suggested while a guy fiddled with the crotch, trying to make it poofier. With that fixed, Jeffries turned to a male mannequin in cargo pants. To make sure it looked realistic, he had a very attractive male employee put on a pair of the pants and stand next to the mannequin. "That looks great," he said as the young man did a 360, the pants sagging off his ass. Jeffries looked at the mannequin again. "Are the pants low enough? This guy's got it lower."

"They're right at the edge of falling off," said an assistant.

"OK, that's good," Jeffries said. "Let's get them as low as we can without them falling off. We don't want him looking like an old guy."

RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Thursday, 26 January 2006 14:08 (twenty years ago)

that picture says more than words ever could

Dominique (dleone), Thursday, 26 January 2006 14:16 (twenty years ago)

ditto.

AaronK (AaronK), Thursday, 26 January 2006 14:27 (twenty years ago)

So amazingly creepy. It's like he has some hyper-sexualized, youthful, happy-go-lucky idea of not just fashion but of some "lifestyle" he's selling. The attitudes are hilarious but great for marketing -- our customers are better, conformity is key, you don't want to be "old," etc. I don't know if it's thinly veiled homoeroticism as much as it's hypereroticism.

This guy also has the greatest definition of cynical I've ever seen. As soon as you start to think about or analyze something -- OH NO! CYNICISM ALERT!

mike h. (mike h.), Thursday, 26 January 2006 14:36 (twenty years ago)

I used to think it was hilarious (circa Sophomore year of High School) to go into Abercrombie and ask if they had "anything plaid."

RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Thursday, 26 January 2006 14:42 (twenty years ago)

The other day I walked by the one in the local mall and you could get a polaroid taken (for a fee) with one of their creepy over-waxed male models. The girl couldn't understand why I turned them down.

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Thursday, 26 January 2006 14:57 (twenty years ago)

of not just fashion but of some "lifestyle" he's selling.

You're attempting irony, are you not? Otherwise the comment is so breathtakingly simple-minded it's as if you just crawled out of a cave on Borneo. Have you ever heard the term "marketing?" Have you ever seen a magazine. Any magazine? Ralph Lauren (the philosophical precurser of A&F)?

huh?, Thursday, 26 January 2006 14:57 (twenty years ago)

He kind of looks like Gary Busey.

Big Loud Mountain Ape (Big Loud Mountain Ape), Thursday, 26 January 2006 14:58 (twenty years ago)

Yeah. He does.

RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Thursday, 26 January 2006 15:00 (twenty years ago)

Because it's a common marketing term I'm supposed to remove the quotes from the word lifestyle? I'm aware of the concept of targeted marketing, focus groups, selling a lifestyle instead of a product, brand recognition over product quality as signifiers of a good brand... that's common. The hilarious part is the fact that a 62 year old sexually ambiguous man comes off as such a true believer in what he's selling and dismisses any accusations of racism, sexism, or sexualization of kids as some sort of ignorance.

mike h. (mike h.), Thursday, 26 January 2006 15:15 (twenty years ago)

I might just be so cynical as to claim that my friends have a way of life that isn't defined by the marketing plans of a clothing store. My first comment was a little vague since I spent some time yesterday talking about the article with friends and sort of continued mid-thought..

mike h. (mike h.), Thursday, 26 January 2006 15:23 (twenty years ago)

i dunno, he isn't THAT much smarmier or creepier than, say, karl lagerfeld. at least as far as looks go:

http://www.e-iko.com/imagenes/fotos/karllagerfeld.jpg

though mr. lagerfeld doesn't have what amounts to a cult surrounding him.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 26 January 2006 16:06 (twenty years ago)

Lagerfeld seems less creepy to me because he's so over the top. This guy is worse because he is "normal."

RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Thursday, 26 January 2006 16:09 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, Lagerfeld does his own thing. The A&F guy is some weird, over-produced simalcrum of teenage normalcy. When I'm 62 and worth millions and millions, I will be wearing well-cut suits and spend my day learning to play the piano.

Big Loud Mountain Ape (Big Loud Mountain Ape), Thursday, 26 January 2006 16:14 (twenty years ago)

amen

RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Thursday, 26 January 2006 16:16 (twenty years ago)

and have an ENORMOUS HEAD

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 26 January 2006 16:18 (twenty years ago)

I know several people who are major Lagerfeld junkies, including one who drove to Boston for the exclusive purpose of buying the H&M Lagerfeld collection the day it was released. It may not be as ubiquitous, but Lagerfeld definitely has a cult of personality going on.

elmo, patron saint of nausea (allocryptic), Thursday, 26 January 2006 16:19 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I didn't want to say it, but my first thought was that A&F guy looks like Rocky Dennis after a Backstreet Boy makeover.

I know that's mean. Yet it was my first thought upon viewing that photo.

The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 26 January 2006 16:20 (twenty years ago)

Tracer, was that aimed at me? For I do have an ENOURMOUS head. Like, size 8 in baseball hat huge.

Big Loud Mountain Ape (Big Loud Mountain Ape), Thursday, 26 January 2006 16:21 (twenty years ago)

what a hilarious, fascinating article

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 26 January 2006 16:25 (twenty years ago)

Big Loud Mountain Ape, you are destined for fame, should you ever want it, as are all those who are blessed with enormous heads

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 26 January 2006 16:31 (twenty years ago)

i am similarly blessed

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 26 January 2006 16:33 (twenty years ago)

We do have an extra amount of gravitas, those of us with large heads. And by gravitas, I mean gravitational pull exerted on the rest of y'all by our enourmous mellons.

BOW DOWN BEFORE MY JUPITER HEAD!

Big Loud Mountain Ape (Big Loud Mountain Ape), Thursday, 26 January 2006 16:33 (twenty years ago)

I always call that a "Dutch head"

RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Thursday, 26 January 2006 16:33 (twenty years ago)

Dutch head? I have some Dutch in my ancestry. Is there where this blessing originated?

Big Loud Mountain Ape (Big Loud Mountain Ape), Thursday, 26 January 2006 16:36 (twenty years ago)

I wear size 8 hats, too.

elmo, patron saint of nausea (allocryptic), Thursday, 26 January 2006 16:38 (twenty years ago)

i do have to give the guy some credit for his business acumen, though. even if all that mr. jeffries has done is taken ideas originally hatched by ralph lauren and tommy hilfiger and taken them to their logical extremes. i mean, if you were in the preppy market and you couldn't even beat j. press then a rethink is DEFINITELY in order.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 26 January 2006 16:38 (twenty years ago)

A GIS for "dutch head" returned this:

http://haivphan.com/models/guest/kimyongmin/dutch_head.jpg

RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Thursday, 26 January 2006 16:39 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, that's about accurate.

Big Loud Dutch Head Mountain Ape (Big Loud Mountain Ape), Thursday, 26 January 2006 16:47 (twenty years ago)

As far as Jeffries is concerned, America's unattractive, overweight or otherwise undesirable teens can shop elsewhere. "In every school there are the cool and popular kids, and then there are the not-so-cool kids," he says. "Candidly, we go after the cool kids. We go after the attractive all-American kid with a great attitude and a lot of friends. A lot of people don't belong [in our clothes], and they can't belong."

hahahaha

HAKKEBOFFER (eman), Thursday, 26 January 2006 17:00 (twenty years ago)

wowsers.

cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 26 January 2006 17:02 (twenty years ago)

http://www.germaniainternational.com/images/hitleryouth01.jpg

elmo, patron saint of nausea (allocryptic), Thursday, 26 January 2006 17:06 (twenty years ago)

I kind of have respect for a&f now for not being as boring as I thought. They are some crazy crazy fuckers.

ShawShank Rambo Connection (Carey), Thursday, 26 January 2006 17:07 (twenty years ago)

http://www.abercrombie.com/anf/onlinestore/collection/13014_01_l.jpg

HAKKEBOFFER (eman), Thursday, 26 January 2006 18:10 (twenty years ago)

gross

RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Thursday, 26 January 2006 18:11 (twenty years ago)

:-O

cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 26 January 2006 18:11 (twenty years ago)

They call men's flip-flops "flaps".

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Thursday, 26 January 2006 18:16 (twenty years ago)

"men's flaps"

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 26 January 2006 18:19 (twenty years ago)

Here he is in one of those shirts we like:

http://louvre.tribe.net/tribe/upload/photo/4d9/f9a/4d9f9afe-dabf-4bb8-b0ad-faa176f6c654.medium

RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Thursday, 26 January 2006 18:35 (twenty years ago)

also: http://www.runningscared.org/files/jazz-abercrombie-fitch.jpg

RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Thursday, 26 January 2006 18:36 (twenty years ago)

he really does like gary busey... with a little twist of fergie from the black eyed peas

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 26 January 2006 18:37 (twenty years ago)

that is a point of view

RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Thursday, 26 January 2006 18:38 (twenty years ago)

he's got me spendin'.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 26 January 2006 18:50 (twenty years ago)

i mean he LOOKS like gary busey with a twist of fergie.

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 26 January 2006 18:52 (twenty years ago)

"these"

gear (gear), Thursday, 26 January 2006 19:00 (twenty years ago)

yeah.

RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Thursday, 26 January 2006 19:59 (twenty years ago)

that photograph is terrifying!

dar1a g (daria g), Thursday, 26 January 2006 20:26 (twenty years ago)

I am seriously waiting for the first of my friends/family to pull a Joan Rivers/Mike Jeffries and get one of these weird expression-defficient faces - I am going to have to work so hard to keep from laughing out loud.

Big Loud Mountain Ape (Big Loud Mountain Ape), Thursday, 26 January 2006 20:30 (twenty years ago)

"let's make this dude look more like a dude"

gear (gear), Thursday, 26 January 2006 20:38 (twenty years ago)

"Yeah, I didn't want to say it, but my first thought was that A&F guy looks like Rocky Dennis after a Backstreet Boy makeover.
I know that's mean. Yet it was my first thought upon viewing that photo.
-- The Milkmaid (of human kindness) ([email protected]), January 26th, 2006."

I literally came here to make a Rocky Dennis comment, which I definitely don't feel bad about after reading that article.
What a gross, sad, small man.

Mugged Outside the Jabberjaw, 1993 (Bent Over at the Arclight), Friday, 27 January 2006 00:39 (twenty years ago)

in high school i wrote "abercrombie & fitch est. 1892" in sharpie on a white t-shirt and wore it all the time

max, Monday, 2 February 2009 04:35 (seventeen years ago)

i have a friend who manages a hollister on long island--if this sounds like a version of hell thats because it is, i think it was edited out of the inferno

max, Monday, 2 February 2009 04:36 (seventeen years ago)

thx max_stanton

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 2 February 2009 04:38 (seventeen years ago)

They'd have great t-shirts if you could eliminate the douchebaggey branding. Thicker and softer than anything else going at a reasonable price.

sad man in him room (milo z), Monday, 2 February 2009 04:47 (seventeen years ago)

i want an AnF sweatshirt. do they make sweatshirts?

Surmounter, Monday, 2 February 2009 04:50 (seventeen years ago)

def

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 2 February 2009 04:52 (seventeen years ago)

like whoah, that article, oy vey. it's so sad to see these hot straight dudes being persuaded to wear clothes styled and designed and spec-ed by selfhating and selfoppressing gay dudes. Jeffries et al want so badly to believe that if they design/wear a gay-ized version of what they imagine hot straight guys would wear (but sprinkled with magic fairy design dust, of course) then they will magically lose their Pinocchio-like queer artificiality and become a real "straight acting" boy some day, so . . . playing their trick on the world, they have successfully conned the hot straight dumbass jock dudes that they fetishize so much into looking like fags from the get go, so that the fags can then safely look like A&F style straight guys who have been restyled in their image, thus completely camouflaging the situation, ruining gaydar for everybody, and filling America's closets with more junk made in the third world by impoverished slaves.
A&F = U R ALL GAY

Neotropical pygmy squirrel, Monday, 2 February 2009 05:56 (seventeen years ago)

wow actually just read that article

"Wong Brothers Laundry Service -- Two Wongs Can Make It White"

Surmounter, Monday, 2 February 2009 08:22 (seventeen years ago)

In 8th grade I had a nervous breakdown because everyone at my new rich school wore A&F and I thought they were all unselfaware copies of each other in clothing and behavior and that was just immeasurably sad.

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, February 1, 2009 1:31 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

like i cried and stayed in bed for 2 days because everyone else wore a brand of clothing that i hated that much

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, February 1, 2009 1:32 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

You don't even have the right to bitch about this. The school I went to was the most expensive high school ever built at the time.

TACO BIZZLE (The Reverend), Monday, 2 February 2009 22:48 (seventeen years ago)

what HS was that? did you go to school in the seattle area?

miss precious perfect (musically), Monday, 2 February 2009 22:59 (seventeen years ago)

Kamiak in Mukilteo

Robo-Tony! Robo-Toni! Robo-Toné! (The Reverend), Tuesday, 3 February 2009 00:23 (seventeen years ago)

A&F-douche headqwataz

Robo-Tony! Robo-Toni! Robo-Toné! (The Reverend), Tuesday, 3 February 2009 00:24 (seventeen years ago)

that's so random. what was so special that it required all that $$$?

i went to newport hs in bellevue. it's not as if i graduated all that long ago but i don't remember being overwhelmed by abercrombie. i think they and american eagle and aeropostale & co. all held their own, but dressing up wasn't a huge deal in any of the cliques, popular or otherwise. the "status" brand in hs was kate spade, she had a certain kind of structured bag that was really popular with the girls. that's of course the kiss of death to a label because at least for me i could never take it seriously as a status bag as an adult. i'm sure there are plenty of HS girls right now who are currently ruining LV monogram for their future selves.

miss precious perfect (musically), Tuesday, 3 February 2009 00:44 (seventeen years ago)

what was so special that it required all that $$$?

Being in Mukilteo. :P

On the real, though, it really is a beautiful school and was v. high-tech when it first opened. Also, built for rich people.

A&F was definitely the status brand at Kamiak. AE seemed kind of 2nd-tier preppy, and Aeropostale didn't seem to catch on until the last year or so of HS, although it seems to have supplanted A&F as the top HS status brand since. Maybe Bellvue Square or Factoria had an Aeropostale store before Alderwood? Never even heard of Kate Spade, but that may be down to having as much interest in purses as your average dude.

Robo-Tony! Robo-Toni! Robo-Toné! (The Reverend), Tuesday, 3 February 2009 01:59 (seventeen years ago)

i'm sure there are plenty of HS girls right now who are currently ruining LV monogram for their future selves.

I was actually wondering if that's why A&F makes the Hollister brand for high schoolers (which, tbh, I had never heard of before)

autosocratic asphyxiation (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 3 February 2009 02:05 (seventeen years ago)

Hollister seemed to occupy the same 2nd-tier preppy space as AE.

Robo-Tony! Robo-Toni! Robo-Toné! (The Reverend), Tuesday, 3 February 2009 02:07 (seventeen years ago)

I missed out on all this in high school, but in my time at Big State U. I got the impression that AE and Aeropostale stood for mediocrity, whereas A&F stood for highly aspirational mediocrity.

autosocratic asphyxiation (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 3 February 2009 02:10 (seventeen years ago)

ya

Surmounter, Tuesday, 3 February 2009 02:12 (seventeen years ago)

like usually if I saw a kid wearing AE (more than once, anyway) I'd think "boring." Whereas if I saw someone wearing a lot of A&F I'd think "asshole."

autosocratic asphyxiation (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 3 February 2009 02:19 (seventeen years ago)

I don't remember A&F being a status thing at my school. Lots of people wore it, but it didn't seem to define any cliques or anything.

Graduated 2000, don't think I ever saw a Hollister or Aeropostale until a couple of years later.

sad man in him room (milo z), Tuesday, 3 February 2009 02:20 (seventeen years ago)

it certainly makes sense to have a diffusion brand so that the rich 20-year old frat boy doesn't find himself shopping next to a 7th grader. when did hollister really become popular? i didn't really hear of it until college or so.

no mall in bellevue has aeropostale afaik, i'm not really sure where i bought my stuff of theirs. i don't think they were as popular as A&F or AE, but they all start with A and are look the exact same so they run together in my mind a bit.

miss precious perfect (musically), Tuesday, 3 February 2009 02:22 (seventeen years ago)

I always assumed that was deliberate

autosocratic asphyxiation (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 3 February 2009 02:28 (seventeen years ago)

I noticed Hollister as a brand because, to be honest, I kept noticing that the really foxy young guys in California would wear it when I still lived there; now that I know that they were probably like 14 years old I feel like a right old pervert. Ooops. Now I feel like that Portland mayor.

Neotropical pygmy squirrel, Tuesday, 3 February 2009 02:47 (seventeen years ago)

like whoah, that article, oy vey. it's so sad to see these hot straight dudes being persuaded to wear clothes styled and designed and spec-ed by selfhating and selfoppressing gay dudes. Jeffries et al want so badly to believe that if they design/wear a gay-ized version of what they imagine hot straight guys would wear (but sprinkled with magic fairy design dust, of course) then they will magically lose their Pinocchio-like queer artificiality and become a real "straight acting" boy some day, so . . . playing their trick on the world, they have successfully conned the hot straight dumbass jock dudes that they fetishize so much into looking like fags from the get go, so that the fags can then safely look like A&F style straight guys who have been restyled in their image, thus completely camouflaging the situation, ruining gaydar for everybody, and filling America's closets with more junk made in the third world by impoverished slaves.
A&F = U R ALL GAY

not sure what this post means but i started wearing A&F cargo shorts about six years ago when i realized all my stylish gay friends all wore the same distressed cargo shorts in the summer. so i asked and realized they were all A&F and so i went and bought a few pairs - two khaki, two camo, two green and one navy. now i pretty much have stopped wearing them all except one of the green, one of the khaki and the navy. i am a little old for it now (31) so i am gradually switching to the sort of plain front cotton shorts they sell at APC.

moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 3 February 2009 03:50 (seventeen years ago)

i am straight btw

moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 3 February 2009 03:50 (seventeen years ago)

also i don't wear anything else from A&F, the shirts and stuff seem deliberately designed to be tight around the chest and arms and that just looks dumm

moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 3 February 2009 03:50 (seventeen years ago)

But that makes you look like your pecs and 'ceps are totes diesel!

Dear Tacos, how are you? I am fine. The weather is nice. I miss yo (Oilyrags), Tuesday, 3 February 2009 03:51 (seventeen years ago)

moonship, don't you recognize a cranky queer rant when you read one?

Everything I had to say was a hystrionic analysis of what I take to be the deep self-hatred that informs the world-view of Mr. Jeffries vis a vis a love of a masculinity which is always projected onto a someone else that is imagined to finally possess the elusive phallus that the self-hating queer is supposed to lack. It really doesn't say anything about the bystanders who happen to buy and wear the clothes for all sorts of reasons that have nothing to do with this issue; I was soliloquizing on a mindset that the closet tends to produce: a desperate and painful longing to blend in with a straight world that you imagine other people are enjoying. Mr. Jeffries' rejection of "Cynicism" in the article above seems to me like a raging symptom of this mindest, and I'm guessing that on the other side of that grinning botoxed rictus is a lot of denial and misery.

in short, I wasn't talking about you.

Neotropical pygmy squirrel, Tuesday, 3 February 2009 04:14 (seventeen years ago)

tl;dr

miss precious perfect (musically), Tuesday, 3 February 2009 04:15 (seventeen years ago)

"rictus"

ew

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 3 February 2009 04:26 (seventeen years ago)

xpost, er, "mindest" should read "mindset"

Neotropical pygmy squirrel, Tuesday, 3 February 2009 04:41 (seventeen years ago)

oh i see ... to me a lot of what i see these days reads to me as straight guys trying to look metrosexual.

moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 3 February 2009 05:34 (seventeen years ago)

A&F doesn't so much scream gay or straight to me as it does the clothes that insecure skinny rich teenagers - the ones who are not jocks nor nerds, but also not the tough street kids or the cool art kids - wear.

moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 3 February 2009 05:35 (seventeen years ago)

clothes for kids on the swim team and shit

moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 3 February 2009 05:36 (seventeen years ago)

k3vin k., Tuesday, 3 February 2009 05:37 (seventeen years ago)

why are the hos in that video so ugly

moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 3 February 2009 05:39 (seventeen years ago)

fwiw as the person who most likely graduated HS most recently, A+F is worn by jocks a lot (lol hell i was kind of a jock but didnt wear it), but it was, sadly, seen as a kind of status thing, ie the wealthier kids tended to wear it. i came from a middle-class town and my parents had much more money than the average kid in my school, so it was kind of weird in a way for me to wear jeans and a t shirt or sweat pants every day. the really sad thing is, a lot of kids (or worse, their parents) spent what little money they had on those clothes which i notice more and more when i come home on breaks, and it really bums me out

k3vin k., Tuesday, 3 February 2009 05:42 (seventeen years ago)

the person *in this thread*

k3vin k., Tuesday, 3 February 2009 05:42 (seventeen years ago)

well as a teacher what i noticed last year (this year i work at a, uh, special school with a sort of different culture) was that the semi-jock kids would wear A+F, like the second string baseball players or the swim team or whatever. the hardcore jock kids, the ones who played football or basketball and were getting scouted for college teams and such basically just wore sports clothes everyday, like basketball shorts and big t-shirts or muscle shirts with big loose nike hoodies over them. totally utilitarian.

we called those kids (the ones who are abercrombie) "yah guys" back when i was in high school (14 years ago now) or "white cap boys", either cause they wore white caps, or because instead of saying "yeah!" as an affirmative they'd say "yeah, guy!". this was back when "bros" had a good connotation, like "that dude's a bro" had no stigma attached.

moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 3 February 2009 05:48 (seventeen years ago)

hahaha I am totally dating myself here by noting the "status" clothing back when I was in high school: 1) guess jeans with ankle zippers, worn with scrunchy socks and white reebok high tops, 2) coca-cola shirts, the rugby-looking ones wth "Coca-Cola" written across the chest (this was rich kid wear, mind you--those things were expensive!), and 3) Liz Claiborne purses. I am not making that last part up. They were the Kate Spade bags of the late '80s.

quincie, Tuesday, 3 February 2009 15:17 (seventeen years ago)

oh man, the Coke shirts

I had possibly the fugliest Coke sweatshirt ever because I wanted one of those but didn't want to look like everyone else; it had a navy torso with yellow sleeves and red trim for the collar/wrists/bottom. I think it also had tennis rackets on it. It was like a Cosby sweater for a 14-year-old.

HI DERE, Tuesday, 3 February 2009 15:22 (seventeen years ago)

i guess i'm old as hell, but i don't think A&F was even on my radar until college, and then because i remember douchey ppl with those quarterly(?) lifestyle mags they would put out. my best friend's younger brother was briefly into all that and we were just embarrassed for him.

now is the time to winterize your manscape (will), Tuesday, 3 February 2009 15:30 (seventeen years ago)

Those "magalogs" were deeply bizarre. They interviewed Slavoj Zizek in one!

Neotropical pygmy squirrel, Tuesday, 3 February 2009 16:30 (seventeen years ago)

"preppy"

double bird strike (gabbneb), Tuesday, 3 February 2009 16:33 (seventeen years ago)

1) guess jeans with ankle zippers, worn with scrunchy socks and white reebok high tops, 2) coca-cola shirts, the rugby-looking ones wth "Coca-Cola" written across the chest (this was rich kid wear, mind you--those things were expensive!), and 3) Liz Claiborne purses. I am not making that last part up. They were the Kate Spade bags of the late '80s.

that is exactly like my school. i had one of the coca-cola rugby shirts & the reebok high tops. those particular liz claiborne purses were big, i guess the point was they were trying to look like gucci?

NFL RUNOFF miss u plaxico (daria-g), Tuesday, 3 February 2009 16:55 (seventeen years ago)

i guess i'm old as hell, but i don't think A&F was even on my radar until college, and then because i remember douchey ppl with those quarterly(?) lifestyle mags they would put out. my best friend's younger brother was briefly into all that and we were just embarrassed for him.

same here -- i'm old enough to remember when abercrombie & fitch was thought of even less than j. press. since i grew up in preppy-central during the 80s (i.e., princeton NJ) i know of what i speak. i was REALLY shocked when sometime during the late 90s i visited some NJ mall and found a huge-ass A&F store -- it was totally some lazarus rising from the dead shit.

Ein kluges Äpfelchen (Eisbaer), Tuesday, 3 February 2009 20:30 (seventeen years ago)

daria g must be about 10 years older than me - i remember older rich kids dressing that way when i was an elementary school kid

moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 3 February 2009 20:41 (seventeen years ago)

two months pass...

bump

tuppence b. bag (roxymuzak), Monday, 13 April 2009 06:08 (seventeen years ago)

fifteen years pass...

he's one of the more contemptible people on the planet

Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 22 October 2024 18:27 (one year ago)


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